"when I'm elected President I'm going to see that they are arrested"

[G_j]

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/27692

Kucinich: Get Ready to Read Bush His Miranda Rights

Submitted by davidswanson on Sun, 2007-10-14 18:16. Criminal Prosecution
Kucinich speech at Latino Congresso, via MyDD

I'm so grateful to be with you this morning. It's such an honor. When I am with this community, I realize the real connection I have, from the heart, (el corazón). It's a connection that transcends the issues, but it connects us to the issues at the same time.

When I started my career in politics forty years ago in Cleveland, the Puerto Rican population was growing, and there were a lot of problems between that community and the police. And so when I finally got elected to city council with the help of the Puerto Rican community, the first thing I did was to take a Spanish language course, so that I could better understand and communicate with members of the Latino community. One of the things we first discovered in the city council was the fact that the police were arresting Latinos without reading them their rights, in direct violation of the Miranda decision. So if someone didn't speak English, they didn't have any rights. The police didn't understand that even if people couldn't speak English, it didn't mean that those people shouldn't have rights. So I was responsible for causing the Cleveland Police to have to learn the Miranda rights in Spanish and carry a card with them.

Now the people in the Administration of George Bush better remember their Miranda rights, because when I'm elected President I'm going to see that they are arrested. I'm not kidding here! I want to let you to know something; how I feel about what's happened to our country. We have been led into a war based upon lies -- an unjust a war. We've seen our civil liberties taken away because of lies. The President, the Vice President, the Secretary of State, and the Secretary of Defense are all part of this. They're going to be held accountable under the law. If someone runs a traffic light, they'll get a ticket here. There are a million dead Iraqis and almost 4,000 dead American soldiers as a result of this war. Where is the accountability? What's happened is that our constitution is being torn up. And in this toxic environment, the Administration, in its never-ending quest for more scapegoats, focuses on immigrants. You know it and I know it. And we see, unfortunately, the failure of the Democratic Party to stand up to this Administration.

..more..

Election Lessons and Why Kucinich Ought to Be the Next President

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_jamie_sa_071012_election_lessons_and.htm

[FREEWILL56]

1. He's getting my vote.

I'm waiting for the day these criminals get what they deserve.

[Blashyrkh]

6. I wish I could give him mine as well.

I absolutely despise both candidates for the upcoming Australian election and I'm considering my first "donkey" vote.

No point voting of the other side if the game is rigged.

[G_j]

7. k

[Manifestor_of_Light]

2. Why didn't he make impeachmt a privileged resolution?

to be acted upon immediately? in order to start hearings.
Why not?

[babylonsister]

3. No support "yet", I'm thinking. WTF is everyone afraid of? nt

[sce56]

23. How about a letter full of weapons grade ANTHRAX!

I would not put it past the crooks in power right now to be using this type of blackmail!

[razors edge]

40. Those were just love notes.

The fact is that anyone who threatens the privileged with accountability will be dealt with.

The media will make sure this gets little or no real coverage, so that there will be no obvious linkage if something happens.

My guess is they would wait till the holidays for this to cool down if DK stays quiet till then. And who could be so cold hearted to accuse the right wing of being so mean as to do something nasty on a sacred holiday.

Take the train Denise, a time honored and relatively safe mode of transport.

Just be careful if you jump off the train, you could end up with a chunk of purple mountain's majesty up you ass.

[lligrd]

4. That Alone Would Get Him My Vote

If this administration can get away with their criminal activities, we should just open up the prisons and free everybody. Not a soul in there comes close to having done as much damage to so many.

[WritersBlock]

5. He already had my vote. Now I just hope he stays out of small planes.

I wish we had 534 more just like him in the Capital Building. No, make that 535, because I want Dennis in the White House!

[cali]

9. Dennis is good, but I appreciate many others aside from him:

Lynn Woolsey, Barbara Lee, Jan Schakowski, Henry Waxman, John Conyers, Peter Welch, Jerome Nadler, Barney Frank, Bernie Sanders, Ted Kennedy, Barbara Boxer, Pat Leahy, John Kerry and others.

And many of those have accomplished more than Dennis for the American people.

[John Q. Citizen]

17. Many of those people were in congress when the Repos didn't rule. I'm

not sure why you want to promote the falsehood that Dennis doesn't accomplish much, but that sure seems to be your agenda.

I like those people you mentioned as well, but I don't hold it against them that they accomplished little to nothing during the Republican domination of the government. They aren't imbued with magical powers , after all.

Why do you have it in for Dennis, anyway?

[druidity33]

26. heh

i've noticed that. I suspect you won't get an answer to your question...

[...of J.Temperance]

33. Yeah I appreciate people who don't suffer from delusions

People AND politicians who are at least in touch with reality.

Can't you see how Kucinich's comment makes him look, well, embarrassing?

Tell me, do YOU think he's EVER going to be in a position where he becomes President?

[hootinholler]

45. No I don't see his comment as embarrassing to him...

Pelosi and Reid maybe embarrassed.

-Hoot

[WritersBlock]

43. Not to diminish the others' efforts, but the main thing I want accomplished for the American people

is for the war criminals in this administration to face justice for their actions.

On edit: Sorry, that sounded curt and dismissive of your post, and I didn't mean for it to do so. You're right; the others have done a lot. But I strongly feel that, until we make sure that the bastards who have spent the past seven years lying through their teeth for the sake of their corporate profits and to the great detriment of this country, causing the deaths of thousands of our military and uncounted tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians as they did so, are brought to justice, we run the very real risk of it continuing to happen. We need to stop torturing "detainees." We need to restore the Bill of Rights and the separation of powers. We need to do so many things.

But the first thing we need to do is make sure no one else ever gets the idea they can do what these bastards have done in our name, ever again.

(Sorry, typing in a hurry here because I'm almost late for work.)

[lateo]

8. I am solidly in his camp now.

Gonna make a donation today.

[SparkyMac]

10. Jan 20, 2009 -- Dennis turns to Bush and says --

"Sir, you have the right to remain silent"....

[Ganja Ninja]

11. That settles it for me.

He's got my vote.

[dkofos]

12. My dream come true!!

[LWolf]

13. He has my vote,

my support, and my appreciation.

[Froward69]

14. I just might change my first choice...

[gateley]

20. I'd like to hear what Biden says about it. I've only heard him refer to

"dealing with them" or something like that.

[Froward69]

21. I would like to see them arrested on the

inaugural podium. however I think bushyboy is stupid enough to show up Cheney and dad wouldn't let him. exile would happen, to brazil. it doesn't matter if Biden says it or not. It won't happen. or rather no smart cop announces that intention. Biden is smart enough not to announce it. :dilemma:

[G_j]

22. I doubt there is much behind that

really

[Gregorian]

15. Dear Dennis Kucinich, please sit down with Nancy Pelosi.

Because I like your stance on things. But maybe she's just really doing a very carefully crafted dance in order to corner these criminals. But I really don't think so. Americans are confused. Would you please talk to her and get back to us. Thanks.

[cooolandrew]

56. OK, Nancy is a big obstruction but one thing is certain DLC would be fought back with veto power.

[cooolandrew]

57. OK, Nancy is a big obstruction but one thing is certain DLC would be fought back with veto power.

[hootinholler]

16. He got $50 from me yesterday when I saw this!

I suggest you do the same!

-Hoot

[BornagainDUer]

18. Now let's here Al Gore say the same thing

:eyes:

[Initech]

19. I would definitely vote Kucinich.

[Cha]

24. This is GOOD to hear

but you know damn well "they" aren't going to let him be "elected"..they made sure Dean and Kerry were OUT because of statements concerning freedom of the press and our lack of it.

Glad Kucinich is saying this, though, because we know in a JUST world there's plenty of evidence to put those fuckers in prison..for a very long time. They'd probably get better treatment then they afford the people they slam in jail and throw away the key.

[rjones2818]

25. Dick and W arrested...

Just another in the myriad of reasons to vote for Dennis in the primaries!

Go Dennis! :woohoo:
http://dennis4president.com
Choose Peace!

[L0oniX]

27. um how about they get reditioned to a dark room in some remote country with no attorney

[Amonester]

29. Alright, you're not serious.

"They're going to be held accountable under the law."

100% sure President Dennis Kucinich intends to make sure the law will be restored to its previous (and rightful) definition - and in full compliance with the Constitution - before these crooks will be held accountable under the law. DK is a true American, not a neo-fascist in disguise like them.

[jgraz]

42. Though you gotta admit...

How cool would it be for DK to declare them enemy combatants during his inaugural address and have them carted to Guantanamo right off the fricking podium??


Hey, a guy can dream...

[snarky08]

28. If only...

It sounds like a fantastic dream, but it'll never come to pass. Yet, I still would encourage more of the same type of dialogue...people have to hear it to make it true, just like the case for war and numerous other lies that are perpetuated to great success by the Bush admin. Publicize the lie til it's fact. Only, in the case of reading the rights, it would be legitimate.
It's a travesty that simple truths won't be voiced, while lies go unchallenged. It's an even greater travesty that Dennis is the only one speaking from his heart and speaking legitimate words. So much for the democratic victory in 06. They should all be making the types of noise that only kucinich is making.
To that end, I had a nice letter from Nancy Pelosi the other day asking for support for assuring the democratic majority. My reply: thanks for the postage, now I can tell you what I think you need to be doing:

1. uphold your sworn commitmen to protect the U.S. constitution
2. Defund the war and use the remaining $ to bring our kids, brothers/sisters and parents home
3. begin impeachment proceedings for Bush and Cheney

Well, there was one other item which escapes me now. But, I merely said that if she would pursue just one of those items then my checkbook would be at the ready. Until then, my $ will go straight to the Kucinich drive. I think I thanked her again for the postage.

[Amonester]

30. Welcome to DU :^)

Thank you for posting.

Let's all pull together as a team!

Together we can end "the nigthmare with no end in sight" and make the fantastic dream come true.

Kucinich Campaign update 10-15-07
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x62498

:grouphug:

[Wapsie B]

31. I agree.

There's no way Poppy would allow * and the gang to go down. Because if jr. gets it it's only a matter of time till it's traced back to him. All I have to say to Dennis is stay out of small planes and hotel rooms.



Welcome to DU!

[...of J.Temperance]

32. Earth Calling Dennis Kucinich....ANYONE home? Reality Check!

Seriously, I already knew that Kucinich was totally out of touch with reality, but this statement of his makes him look completely ridiculous.

Dennis Kucinich is polling 2%, this is a man who in the 2004 Presidential Primaries couldn't even garner more than 10% in Ohio, his HOME state....and here he is now, polling 2% and making comments that make him look really silly....because the fact is, the reality IS, Dennis Kucinich isn't going to get the 2004 Democratic Presidential nomination and thus Dennis Kucinich ISN'T ever going to be in a position to be President.

Sorry but the man is totally and utterly delusional.

[Lex]

34. So you don't think Bush and Cheney belong behind bars?

You don't think they are scape-goating immigrants?

Interesting.

[...of J.Temperance]

35. Kucinich has as much chance of getting elected President as YOU do

Can't you understand the point I was making?

Kucinich says "WHEN I'M elected President, I'M...."

The problem is, that Kucinich is never going to be elected President, he's NOT going to get the nomination, he's polling 2%, in 2004 he could ONLY garner 10% of the vote in the Ohio Primary, his HOME state, so what the heck does that say?

[Lex]

41. I think the message is what's important to Kucinich.

Can't you understand that point?

[...of J.Temperance]

50. Yes I do understand

I can fully understand that Dennis Kucinich feels that way, it's his comment "When I'm President, I'm going to...."

It's ONLY those six words that I have the problem with, because the reality of the situation is, a man who's polling 2%, a man who in the 2004 Ohio Demcratic Presidential Primary couldn't even get more than 10% of the vote in his HOME state....that's a man who's never going to be President....and that Dennis Kucinich is under some curious assumption that he's going to win the nomination and become President....to me and I'd say to many others, that's a pretty delusional assumption Kucinich has.

Like I said YOU'VE got as much chance of being elected President as Kucinich has.

[G_j]

44. sorry

I thought it was "silly" that none of the other cndidates will admit that the Bush administration have committed real and very serious crimes.

[Amonester]

46. So in your view, every candidate who would dare say:

"when I'm elected President I'm going to see that they are arrested"

and:

"I want to let you to know something; how I feel about what's happened to our country."

plus:

"We have been led into a war based upon lies -- an unjust a war. We've seen our civil liberties taken away because of lies. The President, the Vice President, the Secretary of State, and the Secretary of Defense are all part of this. They're going to be held accountable under the law. If someone runs a traffic light, they'll get a ticket here. There are a million dead Iraqis and almost 4,000 dead American soldiers as a result of this war. Where is the accountability? What's happened is that our constitution is being torn up. And in this toxic environment, the Administration, in its never-ending quest for more scapegoats, focuses on immigrants."


... is totally and utterly delusional?

Don't like the message? Attack the messenger?

Sorry, millions and I think Dennis Kucinich speaks truth to power.

Too bad the sheeple is getting "led" to vote against their best interests (again).

[...of J.Temperance]

51. I'm fine with ALL of THESE comments, I'll highlight them for you

ALL of these comments are okay:

"I want to let you to know something; how I feel about what's happened to our country."

"We have been led into a war based upon lies -- an unjust a war. We've seen our civil liberties taken away because of lies. The President, the Vice President, the Secretary of State, and the Secretary of Defense are all part of this."

"There are a million dead Iraqis and almost 4,000 dead American soldiers as a result of this war. Where is the accountability? What's happened is that our constitution is being torn up. And in this toxic environment, the Administration, in its never-ending quest for more scapegoats, focuses on immigrants."


Those comments are fine, no problem.

These comments, Dennis Kucinich is NEVER going to be in the Office of President, so one comment is purely delusional and the other comment, he's a Congressman, a small-time Congressman too, he's hardly some big shot like Speaker Pelosi or Steny Hoyer, he's not the Head of The International Court in The Hague.

"when I'm elected President I'm going to see that they are arrested"

I've got a problem with the message AND the messenger, the message MEANING where Kucinich assumes that he's somehow going to get elected President, when in reality he's polling 2%....the messenger MEANING that Kucinich appears delusional assuming that he's somehow going to get elected President, when in reality he's polling 2%.

Tell me, how is Kucinich going to go from 2% to the party Presidential nomination to winning the Presidential Election?

[Amonester]

54. I am no psychic seeing in the future, and I don't believe you are.

So I cannot tell you how this true Democratic Party's candidate is going to do that.

All I am trying to do is to make sure his message (i.e., justice & true accountability & single-payer Healt Care) CAN be "heard" and then "adopted" by the nominee (if Kucinich ends up not being the nominee), because calling this true Democratic Values' Loyal canditate names does not help him one bit at achieving what we think is the best for ALL Americans.

Thank you for your support.

[redqueen]

47. Is this another example of you being polite?

FWIW - if you're really interested in serious discussion and not mudslinging, may I suggest an alternative to terms like "out of touch with reality", "delusional", "ridiculous", "silly", etc. A better term to use: unreasonable.

:hi:


It puzzles me that because people agree with your view, they will whitewash your use of such terms and act as if only those who disagree with you approach discussions in rude and childish ways.

[...of J.Temperance]

48. Yes that was polite, here's a comparison

I called a candidate, Dennis Kucinich delusional, because he is. The man is polling 2% in the polls, he's never in a million years going to get the Democratic Presidential nomination....therefore he's never in a million years going to be elected President.

He comes out with a comment like:

"When I'm President, I'm going to...."

Fact: Memo to Dennis Kucinich - you're NEVER going to be President, so what the heck you talking about?!

Second point, on politeness and what constitutes it.

Me = called Dennis Kucinich delusional, when anyone with an ounce of common sense would be able to see how delusional his assumption is that he's ever going to BE President.

Me = used the word "babbling"

I'm exceedingly polite....here's the comparison....here's what's NOT polite.

On or in that other thread, the DLC one and the other day in another thread about Hillary....PURELY because of my DLC avatar in the latter thread I might add, these names have been thrown at me, by the terribly impolite and bad-mannered ones:

I've been called the following:

"Corporate whore"...."pig"....virtually accused of STARTING the Iraq War (when IF that person had his facts right instead of just TOTALLY losing the plot and hurling a hate-filled rant in my direction, he'd KNOW that I've been AGAINST the Iraq War from day one and continue to be against the occupation of Iraq)....the same poster also accused me of supporting "rape and pillaging"....then was referred to as a "parasite"....now today already in the DLC thread I notice the words "fascists" and "vermin" have been hurled this way.

And you tell ME that I'm not being polite by referring to Kucinich as being delusional when he is, and then you pulled me up for referring to the rants directed this way as babbling.

Dunno, why don't you head to that DLC thread again and pull up EVERY SINGLE ONE of those posters, who are using words like:

"Corporate whore"

"Pig"

"Fascists"

"Vermin"

Then why don't you go to the Hillary thread, the one with the poll about if people want her to win the Presidency, which of course I DO want her to win the Presidency....but go to that thread and pull up the poster who:

VIRTUALLY accused me of starting the Iraq War

Accused me of supporting "rape and pillaging"

Used the word "parasite"

And while you're at it, go and tell that crowd to do what you told me to do:

"FWIW - if you're really interested in serious discussion and not mudslinging, may I suggest an alternative to terms like


It puzzles me that because people agree with your view, they will whitewash your use of such terms and act as if only those who disagree with you approach discussions in rude and childish ways."


To answer you, no I won't use alternative terms like "unreasonable"....here how about INSTEAD of me saying Kucinich is delusional, I say that Kucinich is irrational, because actually, he's BOTH, he's delusional and irrational.

You want to talk about people being rude and childish, I'm neither rude nor childish, I deal in fact, I deal in reality....unlike the nasty crowd that descended on me in those other two threads, where their comments sounded like they'd lost the plot TOTALLY, especially the fellow in the Hillary thread, so go and check their shit out and get on their asses and pull THEM up about their mudslinging, impoliteness, rudeness and downright bad-manners.


On Edit: Dammit spelling error

[redqueen]

49. I think you and others are already doing that...

in fact, there are new threads nearly daily which excoriate people for being mean, rude, or disrespectful to centrists / moderates... either those on this board or the ones in office.

I never said that you're doing the exact same thing... but by choosing to use loaded terms, you're far from exceedingly polite, IMO. Do as you wish....

FWIW, I don't consider what I did "pulling you up"... I'm simply making a point. We disagree on it and that's fine. But at least now you know why I don't agree with some others who seem to think that those on one side are blameless and the other side are all in the wrong.

[Individualist]

36. "WHEN I'm elected president..."

President Kucinich sounds great. I long to see the cabal dressed in orange jump suits, shackled and handcuffed!

[Octafish]

37. Book 'em, Denn-o!

Kucinich: "Get Ready to Read Bush His Miranda Rights"

I couldn't K&R this post fast enough. Thanks, G_j!

[VenusRising]

38. Error: You've already recommended that thread.

Go Dennis!!

:patriot:

[fenriswolf]

39. * sigh if only i could vote a couple of millions times.

[T.Ruth2power]

52. Bravo

One of the few that will say it like it is.

[cooolandrew]

53. No other candiate is being this real with us. Kucinich 08 the people's candidate.

[cooolandrew]

55. Kucinich " I'm only unelectable if you don't elect me"