New evidence released points to Dr. David Kelly's death as murder, not suicide.

[JohnyCanuck]

Police could not find any fingerprints on Dr Kelly's 'suicide' knife

By ANDY DOLAN - More by this author » Last updated at 22:01pm on 14th October 2007

Fresh doubts were raised over the suicide of Dr David Kelly after it emerged that no fingerprints were found on the knife he supposedly used to kill himself.

The Hutton Inquiry into the death of the Ministry of Defence weapons expert ruled that he slashed one of his wrists with a blunt garden knife and took an overdose of pills.

But the campaigning Liberal Democrat MP Norman Baker has carried out his own investigation after forensic experts questioned the official version of events.

He has called for the case to be re-opened after Thames Valley Police revealed that no fingerprints were found on the knife.

The Lewes MP made the discovery after submitting a Freedom of Information request to the force.

The lack of fingerprints is especially strange as police records also revealed the germ warfare expert was not wearing any gloves when he died – nor were any found at the scene of his death.Mr Baker said: 'It is one of the things that makes me think Dr Kelly was murdered.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=487627&in_page_id=1770

[soothsayer]

1. Well, duh. he himself warned of 'dark actors'

[unpossibles]

2. not surprising

although the cynic in me says no one will hear about this.

[ck4829]

3. This is the latest in a growing list of things screaming that this was not a suicide

His Faith - Baha'is are forbidden from committing suicide
The way he slashed his wrists - The place where he slashed himself is not usually done by people doing this method. Yes, he slashed at a particular vein which is not only usually not consistent with a suicide, but is also extremely painful
The scene - If I remember correctly, EMTs who were at the scene questioned the scene where he did it, something just didn't look quite right
And now this.

[JohnyCanuck]

4. "it would have been very painful."

From the Daily Mail article in the OP:

It is highly unlikely anyone without a blood-clotting defect would bleed to death from a single cut to this artery.

It would have required unusual force to cut through the tendons, particularly with a blunt gardening knife, and it would have been very painful.

To ascertain just how unusual the injury was, Mr Baker asked the Office of National Statistics how many people in the UK died in 2003 from a cut to the ulnar artery.

He was told that Dr Kelly was the only one.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=487627&in_page_id=1770&in_page_id=1770

[madokie]

5. theres no doubt in my mind that he was silenced

corpse speak no words nor do any deeds

[cascadiance]

6. I think when you find out who murdered him, the REAL reason for outing Valerie Plame will be shown!

Those that exposed Valerie Plame were NOT doing it just for "political revenge" on Joe Wilson. There would be so many more LESS risky to themselves means to do so that they could have done without exposing her identity, shutting down Brewster Jennings and open them up to potential charges of treason and even a death sentence if the more extreme statues were applied.

The reason I believe is that she was exposed really to shut down Brewster Jennings, who was likely close to finding out similar truths that David Kelley was, and that is why they were taking extreme measures in both instances. We REALLY need to find out who murdered David Kelley. It might expose the whole WMD fraud that has been perpetuated onto us for the Iraq War and perhaps finally allow us to move forward on timely impeachments that we should be.

[Mandate My Ass]

8. Judy Miller is in this up to her neck. She is the common demonimator in

both cases. Dk's last e-mail expressing his fears of dark actors was to his "friend" Judy Miller. When she wrote his obit she conveniently omitted this fact. :tinfoil:

[Nothing Without Hope]

10. I don't think that's tinfoil. Judy Miller IS in this up to her neck. C & L

K & R for the truth being told at last.

[AntiFascist]

14. K&R, for this post and the OP n/t

[no_hypocrisy]

7. Any CIA operatives visiting London on that day . . . . ?

[formercia]

9. They rarely do it themselves

a 'cutout' is the preferred method.

There are plenty of criminal elements connected with right-wing reactionary groups that will do it for free or a modest stipend.

[flyarm]

11. unfortunately ..it is not new evidence..it is evidence that has been covered up!! eom

[Gregorian]

12. Recommended.

Kelly didn't commit suicide. Saddam didn't have WMD's.

[robertpaulsen]

13. To the top with this one.

It is highly unlikely anyone without a blood-clotting defect would bleed to death from a single cut to this artery.

It would have required unusual force to cut through the tendons, particularly with a blunt gardening knife, and it would have been very painful.

To ascertain just how unusual the injury was, Mr Baker asked the Office of National Statistics how many people in the UK died in 2003 from a cut to the ulnar artery.

He was told that Dr Kelly was the only one. The scientist was found dead in woodland near his home in Southmoor, Oxfordshire, in July 2003 after becoming trapped at the centre of a vicious war of words between the Government and the BBC.


File this with Mannlicher-Carcano under Dubious Killing Instruments. My bullshit meter just hit 11.

[Crunchy Frog]

15. He probably took the gloves off AFTER he murdered himself. n/t

[HardWorkingDem]

16. So What? Lack of fingerprints is not uncommon...

Folks,

Turn off your television and quit watching CSI - with the little information that is being released about the suicide instrument, I have to tell all of you that lack of identifiable fingerprints is meaningless and not uncommon.

For example, if the instrument was bloody, sweaty or a variety of other factors were involved, it is not uncommon for identifiable fingerprints NOT to be found.

[Swamp Rat]

17. LOL! Yeah, especially after the murderer wipes them off.

:D

[HardWorkingDem]

18. Not saying he did, or did not...only that...

What is being reported in the article is not unusual at all. Anyone who has any knowledge or experience in this field (which I do) would not find the lack of fingerprints baffling, unusual or uncommon.

And to prove it - the article does not distinguish between identifiable fingerprints or unidentifiable fingerprints. Most likely, whether a murder or suicide, there probably some sort of smudged or smeared fingerprint evidence.

Now, if it had been reported there were some sort of wipe marks, then that would be a different story.

[mogster]

19. Well, there are more evidence to point to a different story

Our doubts about Dr Kelly's suicide
http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,3604,1131833,00.html

New questions over death of David Kelly
Alarming new questions about the death of Iraq weapons inspector David Kelly have been raised as a major investigation cast doubt on the official verdict that he committed suicide.

The inquiry by campaigning MP Norman Baker will spark renewed speculation about how the Government's leading expert on weapons of mass destruction was found dead in a field in Oxfordshire three years ago.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=397129&in_page_id=1770

'The answer is no'

When the film-maker Peter Kosminsky began his drama about David Kelly he didn't assume the government would cooperate. But neither did he expect it to stop him speaking to any army personnel, bar him from all military bases and even prevent him from filming at museums. What, he wonders, could it be so afraid of?
http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,14173,1432555,00.html

Why I believe David Kelly's death may have been murder, by MP
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=397256&in_page_id=1770&in_a_source

Will we ever be told the truth about the death of Dr David Kelly?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/newscomment.html?in_article_id=397340&in_page_id=1787&in_a_source=

Here's the Kelly-page from the Guardian, scroll down to see the timeline'd articles:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,,1032698,00.html

The BBC's Hutton-page:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/uk/2003/david_kelly_inquiry/default.stm

A one hour documentary on the Kelly death, from the BBC. Under the offensive header 'Conspiracy files', I'm afraid, but still worth watching:
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-3255138464276514819&hl=en-GB

Robin Cook asked for a 'full investigation' into the death of Kelly, and - surprise, surprise - was found dead while out for a stroll. He was also starting to talk about Al-Queda just before he died.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4127676.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,12780,1523838,00.html

[LibertyorDeath]

20. No offense but

DUH!

[redqueen]

21. Hope this isn't dropped.

Seems like the only time when these sorts are held accountable is when they are defeated in war. Failing that, the wealthy and powerful cover for each other.