Name A Democrat That Has Caused You To Question Your Efforts

[WillyT]

Quick version: Ron Wyden, A DEMOCRAT, puts a hold on Lyle Laverty to Assistant Interior Secretary for Fish, Wildlife and Parks! He, Senator Wyden, wants to get some assurances on Laverty, before releasing his hold and going forward with the confirmation.

Last week, while Senator Wyden flew home for the birth of his twins, Harry Reid, while Wyden was out of town, canceled the hold and apparently Laverty is on his way in!

HOLY SHIT!!!

We can't count on anybody in our party. Certainly not the leadership of EITHER body!

Link: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/11/1/195710/170

:banghead::nuke::banghead:

[saltpoint]

1. Ax Handle Maddox.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/06/25/maddox.dead/

[Cha]

2. I worked to get

Senator Clinton elected in New York and then she betrays us with her iwr vote and that Iran vote and her bushit enabling like she's playin' to middle America..not New Yorkers..but hey..that's politics, right? :wtf:

[WillyT]

4. It's Like A Bad Date, Ain't It ???

They'll take your vote, and yet never remember your name in the morning.

:shrug:

[Cha]

15. Don't write..

Don't call. And I've learned my lesson. :)

[BuyingThyme]

3. Joe Lieberman.

[WillyT]

8. That Made Me Question... EVERYTHING !!!

:shrug:

[upi402]

5. The short list is - Dems who haven't

Good provacative question.

I still miss Wellstone

[Richardo]

6. Dennis Kucinich

I think we know why.

[WillyT]

9. No, I'm Not Sure We Do... Please Explain !!!

Thanks in advance.

:hi:

[Richardo]

12. I know a lot of people really want to pursue impeachment

...but I think today was a huge miscalculation on Dennis' part that could very well cost the Dems in 2008. I'm hoping Conyers keeps the resolution in Committee until some substantive investigations have compiled actionable evidence.

On edit: Thank you for your civil response, WillyT. We could do with a lot more around here. :patriot:

[robinlynne]

22. You guys always think everything will cost the dems in 08. Meanwhile, the country

goes down the drain and the elections are rigged anyway!

[Richardo]

25. Impeachment is not the only tool in the toolbox.

Investigations would be more productive, more persuasive, and would gather actionable evidence. Bonus: They do not monopolize the entire government like an impeachment proceeding and trial would.

[robinlynne]

26. not true. The president says "presidential privilege" and poof goes the investigation.

We tried that. It didn't work. They do not produce the documents, and the people do not testify. and nothing happens.

[Richardo]

27. Impeachment won't work either.

Nothing will happen after an impeachment either. Hell, there may not be enough votes to pass articles of impeachment in the House, let alone convict in the Senate. A failed impeachment is a vindication of Bush/Cheney. So what do you want?

Things are happening in the Judiciary Committee. Just not the things you want.

[WillyT]

28. Required Viewing... Click On 'Watch Video'...

Link: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07132007/profile.html

Enjoy... and understand!

:hi:

[Richardo]

31. Thanks, WillyT - I love the Moyers.

Again, I can't tell you how nice it is to engage in a civil discussion here. Wait 'til I tell the gang in the Lounge. :hi:

[TahitiNut]

29. Look on the bottom of your crystal ball.

Does it say "Made in China"??


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[AlCzervik]

13. the ufo, the friendship with Shirley McClain or both?

[Richardo]

14. Shirley really screwed him royally

I hope she's happy with her attention-whoring woo-woo self.

[Richard Steele]

32. We certainly agree on that. nm

[EstimatedProphet]

34. You can say that again

[EFerrari]

7. I can't count the disappointments, WillyT.

It's too overwhelming.

Let's count our comforts -- like Barbara Lee and Lynn Woolsey and DENNIS, lol, and Jim McDermot -- people who keep standing up and speaking truth to corruption every day.

Let's count THEM and give to them, give them something to count, too. We have this great opportunity here, to find out who our friends are. Let's use it!

"Nobody said this was going to be easy." Leslie Marmon Silko

[rusty quoin]

10. Yes, it's too depressing. I, a pessimist, am looking at the good ones. n/t

[WillyT]

16. What Kills Me...

Is the look in the eyes of those Dems I hang out with here. When I told them this little reported story of Reid v. Wyden, they blanched.

These are folks that would normally, and probably still will, vote Democratic.

But to a person, upon hearing this little intra-Democratic tale, they went sheet-white.

One of them told me, over and over, as if muttering..."That stuns me, that really stuns me."

:shrug:

[EFerrari]

18. I know. I have a rep who says she's not my rep and one senator

who is making a bundle off of this horrible war. And a mayor who looks to both of them to find his political footing because you know PR is everything.

Clean up on Aisle 3! I don't know when this happened, but enough already.

[WillyT]

19. I Have A Theory...

Ya see... we weren't all supposed to be this well versed in our own country. And if we were, we weren't supposed to have the time on our hands to speak up and make a difference. And even if we did, and all that was true, we weren't supposed to have a mega-phone that was threatening enough.

That, you see... is why the Internet\grass\net-roots is not only a threat to the current occupiers of power, but also to anyone who would seek to sit in their throne.

That's why the Dems are just as currently pissed off at the roots as the Reps are. They are both afraid of the people getting a toe-hold to power. A power which by theory was theirs in the first place.

Just a theory.

:hi:

[EFerrari]

20. You may just have something there.

But, let's keep it between you and me.

:hi:

[WillyT]

21. Deal, LOL !!!

:bounce::hi::bounce:

[robinlynne]

23. makes sense.

[rpannier]

11. That's easy...

Rod Blagojevic...Gov of Chicago...I mean Illinois.
He is easily the most crooked, corrupt and arrogant Democratic governor in the nation -- probably one of the 5 worst regardless of party affiliation.

[Cha]

17. That is sad...I remember when

he was elected over some repuke and we thought a D would mean good things were coming for Illinois.

You just never know, do ya?

[robinlynne]

24. That's not the first time. (Reid). You are not supposed to cancel holds from your own party!

[Hardrada]

30. Here in Iowa: Leonard Boswell who is a DINO good ole boy

who never fails to be a corporate tool.

[depakid]

33. Harry Reid has been an utter and complete disaster

Probably THE least effective and most complicit minority and majority leader in history- based on his record (which includes crossing over and voting with the Republicans).

Of course, it was all too predictable that he would act this way- that he'd not only flap his lips and back down and repeatedly- but also that he'd backstab members of his own party.

I had hoped that when he had his stroke(s) a few years back that the dems would have found a way to gracefully have him step down- but I guess even that little bit of maturity was asking too much.

[mmonk]

35. There are poison pills in the process.

We all know who is responsible (well at least most of us).

[Snarkturian Clone]

36. John Street, Philadelphia Mayor

The most corrupt mayor in our history, and that's saying a lot because we've had some corrupt-ass mayors. I'm very happy that Michael Nutter just got voted in.