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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 07:22 AM
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AT&T Whistleblower: Telecom Immunity Is A Cover-Up
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004662.php

AT&T Whistleblower: Telecom Immunity Is A Cover-Up
By Spencer Ackerman - November 7, 2007, 6:04PM

Earlier today we flagged that Mark Klein, who uncovered a secret surveillance room run by the NSA while employed as a San Francisco-based technician for AT&T, is in Washington to lobby against granting retroactive legal immunity to telecommunications companies. In an interview this afternoon, Klein explained why he traveled all the way from San Francisco to lobby Senators about the issue: if the immunity provision passes, Americans may never know how extensive the surveillance program was -- or how deeply their privacy may have been invaded.

"The president has not presented this truthfully," said Klein, a 62-year old retiree. "He said it was about a few people making calls to the Mideast. But I know this physical equipment. It copies everything. There's no selection of anything, at all -- the splitter copies entire data streams from the internet, phone conversations, e-mail, web-browsing. Everything."

What Klein unearthed -- you can read it here -- points to a nearly unbounded surveillance program. Its very location in San Francisco suggests that the program was "massively domestic" in its focus, he said. "If they really meant what they say about only wanting international stuff, you wouldn't want it in San Francisco or Atlanta. You'd want to be closer to the border where the lines come in from the ocean so you pick up international calls. You only do it in San Francisco if you want domestic stuff. The location of this stuff contradicts their story."

That's what's at stake in the telecom immunity provision, Klein believes. If the surveillance-related lawsuits are invalidated by a provision in the intelligence-committee-passed FISA bill, then the extent of the program -- at least between 2001 and 2006 -- will remain the exclusive purview of the Bush administration, the communications firms and the handful of Senators selected to review legal justifications for the program. "These are not babes in woods. They knew what they were doing," Klein said. "The violation of the Constitution is where they split off -- where the splitter splits off full copies of a datastream, and connects to other companies' internet stuff, like Sprint or GlobalCrossing. They don’t want people to understand that. They want to portray it like the president does, that it's a handful of international phone calls. That's the soundbite, and that’s not true. It affects millions of people domestically."

Klein has been public with his insider account for nearly two years, with precious little publicity to show for it, thanks to the relative paucity of national media in San Francisco. Coming to Washington might have changed that: his day was packed with press calls and face time with at least a half-dozen Congressional staffers, mostly from Democratic Senators Joe Biden, Sheldon Whitehouse and Barbara Boxer. Press attention and one-on-ones in the corridors of power might be nice, he said, but it's not enough. "I'm not impressed by people with speeches pretending to be on your side," he said. "I want to see votes. In our favor."

The Senate Judiciary Committee will vote on the surveillance bill tomorrow.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 07:30 AM
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1. when you see retro-active immunity in association with WhiteHouse republicans=WRONG=CRIMINAL!!!!
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 07:36 AM by sam sarrha
and isn't it unConstitutional to create an "Ex Post Facto" bill, for any reason









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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 07:43 AM
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2. Bush wants you to think it was the old-time wire-tap where
a tap was set up on a specific line(s) and the conversations monitored.

From what this guy is saying, they split the data trunks and wholesale monitored everything, If that's what they did, the companies knew full damn well it was illegal and they did it anyway.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 07:47 AM
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4. And that's why his testimony was so important. I just hope he's
listened to and can sway a few opinions.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:17 PM
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13. This is also classic "old" AT&T
not to be confused with AT&T now which was merged with the much larger SBC Corp. The "old" AT&T didn't give a damn about a goddamn thing and didn't care what anyone thought. AT&T was the worst at slamming long distance, local service and had crappy cellular service. And, they didn't care either. Fines were a cost of doing busines.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:26 PM
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15. Got news for ya' Pal.
The New at&t isn't any better. In fact as a Texas based company, it's even worse.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 08:28 PM
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16. Huh?
What does Texas have to do with this? In any event, most of the people that work at the AT&T corporation in San Antonio aren't even from Texas to begin with.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:47 PM
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17. That's true, but SBC is also guilty of doing this too.
...as is BellSouth and Cingular. All part of the "new" (lower case) at&t. The LD carrier before is who Kline worked for, and it was their switch and routers the splitters were hooked up to, but that building also houses Pac Bell (SBC) equipment too.

I don't like Texas, so I made a jab at them. I had boot camp in the Army there and the insects are too big.:D
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 07:29 AM
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19. Was this guy in one of those shared buildings
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 07:34 AM by Gman
between Pacific Telesis and the old AT&T at divestiture? At divestiture, there were several buildings in the country that literally had a line drawn across the floor separating the RBOC's equipment and facilities from AT&T's. If that building was one of the split buildings, it is very unlikely SBC/PacBell had anything to do directly with AT&T giving the NSA access in this situation. I don't believe PacBell had been approved for Long Distance at this particular point in time. If not, PacBell's approval was very close to this point in time. In any event, PacBell would not have had their own trunks for long distance. They started out in LD leasing the lines. Prior to the AT&T/SBC merger, SBC did not outright own any LD trunks. They leased them. SBC and Verizon and in fact everyone except US West that gave the NSA access to call and billing records.

I figured this guy had to work for LD and was probably a Com Tech. I also figure he worked for the old Long Lines at divestiture due to his age now (62). There are very few people left that did what he did. (It's incredible that he escaped layoffs and was able to retire.) I know the kind of work the AT&T Com Techs do and I know he knows what he's talking about.

BTW, close to where I live here in San Antonio is a large park where we occasionally see some very large tarantulas. I'll sometimes get some smaller ones (couple of inches across) in the house before a storm. It's fun to watch the women freak!
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:00 PM
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20. It was the one on Pine St. Accross from China Town.
That has the 4es in it. IIRC it also has PB floors as well. There was a 20 or so year agreement after divestiture to co-ues buildings. Most started separating permanently around 2003.

I haven't read that definitively, but the Pine St. office is the only one that AT&T could have done what Kline described.

Still a bunch of old techs around. They'll probably die at their desks. Layoffs only happen to young people with low seniority.

Not true about leasing lines...WillTell was bought by SBC, who then was sold off to Level 3 after the AT&T acquisition. They had a small amount of trunks.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:42 PM
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21. I forgot about WillTell
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 03:45 PM by Gman
and yup, I know a couple of guys that quit/got fired from SWBell that were flying high after getting a Group I Craft job at AT&T right off the street. None of them made it more than a few years.

on edit.........

The WillTell thing was more about data than it was LD. The SBC push to get into LD was never to provide long distance service to customers for 10 cents a minute. It was always about data. Internet is tariffed as long distance. So to move data across lata and/or state lines, SBC had to get approved for LD. Data is where the big bucks are, not in LD.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:23 PM
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14. Yes. It's that kind of abuse which is absolutely stunning to me.
ANY talk of ANY form of immunity to ANY one involved is just fucking NUTS!!!

:banghead:
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 07:47 AM
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3. This is the same kind of legislation they passed in Pinochet's Chile.
Right after Pinochet had stolen all he could, he started introducing laws to protect his fellow murderers and thieves. Just like the bushes.

Eventually these retroactive criminal protections were found to be illegal. But Pinochet died before he could be held accountable for the mass murders of his fellow citizens. Many of his generals who orchestrated the mass tortures and murders got out of the country and are currently working for Black Water.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 07:54 AM
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5. He was on the tube last evening (I forget which one)----whow.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 08:01 AM
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6. Olbermann had him on, but he has been making the rounds thankfully;
lots of articles, too.
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GreatCaesarsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 08:24 AM
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7. he'll be on c-span WJ at 9:30am et today
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:03 AM
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8. why are Reid and Pelosi rolling over on this
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:06 AM
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9. tell that to Sen. Rockefeller
oh that is right, he pocketed $62,000.00 from the Telecommunications Co. so he will not care.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:08 AM
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10. k and r
Because the republicon homelander anti-American fascist clampdown is ugly, amoral, and democracy-stangling.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:11 AM
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11. Still waiting to hear their excuses for the pre-9/11 tapping...... nt
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:23 AM
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12. They will vote that we mean nothing.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:47 AM
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18. Pardon my language.
What a fucking goddamn waste of money.We are now 9 trillion dollars in debt!
Surveillance-gone-wild is just one example of money down the drain.

:rant:
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:50 PM
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22. Kicked, too late to recommend. n/t
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 11:25 AM
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23. DITTO that. This is very important. What was the scope of Bush's crime?
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