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GeneCosta (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:49 AM Original message |
Am I the only DUer who sees socialism as the only viable future? |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 04:00 AM Response to Original message |
1. I wonder if we're mature enough for true socialism |
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BelgianMadCow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 04:05 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I doubt it for the same reason - human nature, but |
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Bobbieo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. It is only destroying the poor! |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 09:05 AM Response to Reply #1 |
26. We're not even mature enough for true democracy |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 11:27 AM Response to Reply #26 |
36. Good point. |
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personman (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 11:39 AM Response to Reply #26 |
39. "They who put out the people's eyes, reproach them of their blindness." |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 04:05 AM Response to Original message |
2. Well, you're in the same camp as Einstein. His "Why Socialism?" essay is |
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lligrd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 04:53 AM Response to Original message |
4. A Bit Of Competition Is Not Always Bad |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:26 AM Response to Original message |
5. I'm a proud sewer socialist myself |
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riverdeep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:28 AM Response to Original message |
6. The word itself has been corrupted. |
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jzodda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:55 AM Response to Original message |
8. I only doubt it because I don't think we are evolved enough |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:21 AM Response to Original message |
9. But there are many different definitions of "socialism". |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 07:08 AM Response to Original message |
10. No, you're not the only one. (NT) |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 07:10 AM Response to Original message |
11. I'f gladly settle for universal single payer health care. nt. |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 07:13 AM Response to Original message |
12. So in other words, anarcho-socialism |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 07:16 AM Response to Original message |
13. Re:Prostitution |
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flashl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 07:54 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. What about the - History of Religious Sex ? n/t |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 08:09 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Elaborate Please |
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flashl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 09:20 AM Response to Reply #22 |
29. the ritual of negation |
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Yuugal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
68. DSB, Arent you glad you asked? nt |
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Megahurtz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:21 PM Response to Reply #29 |
74. Bizarre. |
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GeneCosta (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 09:07 AM Response to Reply #13 |
28. By prostitution I mean the conditions which force women to enter it |
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flashl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 09:30 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. U.S. is #1 in Human Trafficking a.k.a sex slavery |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 07:21 AM Response to Original message |
14. Yes, of the anarchist sort, but not of the nationalist variety n/t |
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regnaD kciN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 07:21 AM Response to Original message |
15. Viable? Maybe. Achievable? |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
16. Post-Global Warming, it's probably totalitarian communism |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 07:25 AM Response to Original message |
17. personally, i believe in regulated capitalism. but there might not be much difference |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 07:35 AM Response to Original message |
18. I this world that has been so steeped in dog-eat-dog, |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 07:43 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Yes, change for the better never stems from the top-down, but from the bottom-up.... |
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flashl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 08:32 AM Response to Reply #18 |
24. If you can remember ALL events around 9-11 clearly, think back |
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DCKit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 12:20 PM Response to Reply #24 |
47. No, the BLACK people were looters..... |
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flashl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 01:03 PM Response to Reply #47 |
58. You are right. n/t |
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index555 (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 04:57 AM Response to Reply #47 |
107. No, those running off with TVs, stereos,etc. were looters |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
21. That boat sailed long ago.. FDR was trying to put something like that into place |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
23. Try Changing Human Nature First |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 12:27 PM Response to Reply #23 |
49. I wouldn't even call it "greed" |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #23 |
67. Well |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
25. You want socialism without the corporation or the state? |
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Fly by night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
27. Prolly. |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 07:27 AM Response to Reply #27 |
110. Excellent comment |
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rAVES (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
31. Its heart is in the right place.. which puts it instantly above the bastardized Capitalism we see |
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flashl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
32. I agree wholeheartedly |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
33. Depends on your POV. |
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personman (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
34. K&R Nope, not the only one. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
35. I'm for separation of business and state. |
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leftist_not_liberal (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
37. Recommended |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
38. Doubt it's possible and definately not for the US |
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leftist_not_liberal (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Here's your trouble: |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 12:12 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. "Human nature is not fixed but rather is a product of social relations" |
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leftist_not_liberal (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. That disregards significant swaths of human history |
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RagingInMiami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 06:52 AM Response to Reply #40 |
109. Notice how when governments have attempted to impliment Marxism |
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leftist_not_liberal (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 08:11 AM Response to Reply #109 |
113. that would be because a single government |
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RagingInMiami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 08:25 AM Response to Reply #113 |
114. If you are referring to my avatar |
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leftist_not_liberal (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 09:09 AM Response to Reply #114 |
116. Well I certainly appreciate your sentiments concerning |
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DCKit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
41. It's still a Democracy if we elect a left leaning governemnt when the people feel we need one.. |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
42. maybe a change of labels would be in order first |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
43. Socialism Goes Back to Hunting and Gathering |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 07:30 AM Response to Reply #43 |
111. sharing |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 12:55 PM Response to Reply #111 |
118. I'm Talking about Collective Sharing That is Democratically Decided |
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stranger81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
44. no, you're not alone! [n/t] |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
46. To those of you who cite "human nature" |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 12:33 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Because through the course of history there are always leaders |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 01:46 PM Response to Reply #52 |
62. Well, if you think it can be done on a small scale |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:56 PM Response to Reply #62 |
89. It might depend on what you want from life |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 09:03 AM Response to Reply #89 |
115. False choice |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 10:06 AM Response to Reply #115 |
117. I'm highly influenced by what Jared Diamond said in "Guns, Germs and Steel" |
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onelittleindian (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 12:56 PM Response to Reply #46 |
57. blindpig |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 01:56 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. There are always slackers |
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Megahurtz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:32 PM Response to Reply #64 |
79. Excellent Post! |
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leftist_not_liberal (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 01:49 PM Response to Reply #46 |
63. But that's not what they taught us in idustrial skool |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
48. Socialism is becoming more necessary for human security, i.e., education, energy, health, etc... |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
51. I do not believe it is possible here. |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
53. democratic socialism is the way to go for the global urban life we lead. |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
54. Einstein felt the same way my friend |
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stimbox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
55. You are not alone here. |
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onelittleindian (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
56. socialism |
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guruoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
59. IMHO, capitalism, socialism have one thing in common.... |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
60. Do you see a class that is going to build this socialism? |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:53 PM Response to Reply #60 |
84. They're all around you. |
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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
61. Through Peak Oil & Global Warming, you just might get your wish. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
65. For some values of "socialism". |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
66. Most of the key tenets of socialism are supported by the majority of Americans |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 04:22 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. that's true, but there's a huge difference between that and what |
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BornagainDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
70. Debs was jailed by the bastards, Sept. 14, 1918. Dissent had turned |
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BornagainDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
71. What do you mean? We've already got socialism... |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
72. Puh-lease |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:32 PM Response to Reply #72 |
80. I don't know how else to say this other than - you are wrong |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:06 PM Response to Reply #80 |
87. My tone |
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GeneCosta (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 11:55 PM Response to Reply #87 |
96. I never claimed there wouldn't be any crimee |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 02:17 AM Response to Reply #87 |
104. I have no desire to live in YOUR world... we have the choice to change things |
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Vilis Veritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
73. The problem is not capitalism it is corporatism. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:27 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. "Corporatism" is not an abberation |
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Vilis Veritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:41 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Still not an easy task...n/t |
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sss1977 (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
75. You are not alone. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
76. I see capitalism as the problem |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
78. I TOTALLY agree |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 07:37 AM Response to Reply #78 |
112. Let's not forget the good |
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Mike03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
82. I have no clue, but appreciate this question |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
83. We're almost there now... |
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haele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:27 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. But if the state provides you with decent infrastructure, |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
85. you won't get much socialism in this society |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 08:10 PM Response to Reply #85 |
91. Nonsense. City parks are socialism. County roads are socialism. Fire departments |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 12:16 AM Response to Reply #91 |
97. we are lucky they aren't privatised |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
86. I am a proponent of free market socialism. |
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MLFerrell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
90. Socialism denies the fundamental tenet of human nature... |
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GeneCosta (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 11:48 PM Response to Reply #90 |
95. That's incorrect |
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Seabiscuit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
92. "eliminating... gambling"??? |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
93. Not the only DUer, but certainly in the minority |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 01:31 AM Response to Reply #93 |
100. There you go, questioning nothing again. I'm so disappointed in your handle. |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 01:49 AM Response to Reply #93 |
102. There have been and are socialist party tickets in every recent election. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
94. And don't forget... |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 12:58 AM Response to Original message |
98. It is the inexorable resutlt of rampant, uncontrolled capitalism and profiteering. |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 01:01 AM Response to Original message |
99. No. I agree with you. |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 11:58 AM Response to Reply #99 |
120. kick |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 01:41 AM Response to Original message |
101. In re: one of your larger points; I support the role of a federal government, |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 01:51 AM Response to Original message |
103. No you're not but the socialist parties get almost no votes |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 02:29 AM Response to Original message |
105. And what's so bad about social democracy, pray tell? |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 02:35 AM Response to Original message |
106. Beware of social engineers |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 05:32 AM Response to Reply #106 |
108. and capitalism doesn't have social engineers? what is advertising then? |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:33 AM Response to Reply #108 |
119. Which rather demonstrates the point |
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GeneCosta (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. "What are the consequences to an individual of refusal to consent" |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 11:53 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. Capitalism is a large carrot and a small stick |
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