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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 07:33 AM Original message |
Poll question: Should adult adoptees have access to their birth records? |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 07:46 AM Response to Original message |
1. I was adopted, and I would no more want my biological mother's privacy violated |
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Samurai_Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 09:34 AM Response to Reply #1 |
24. "Birthmother Privacy" is a myth |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 09:43 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Are you saying that you believe adoptees/birth families should have more rights |
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Samurai_Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 09:53 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. No, that's not what I'm saying |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 10:05 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. As a matter of fact, |
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Samurai_Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 11:04 AM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Forced parental terminations are not the norm in adoption |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #34 |
52. they're "not the norm"?? |
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Samurai_Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. No, they are not |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 03:23 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. sorry, but |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 01:05 PM Response to Reply #28 |
48. I'm reading between the lines here.. |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. In fact, there is a 1969 no-contact order in place in my case, |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. very unfortunate... Does seem like a blanket order could be placed |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 01:11 PM Response to Reply #28 |
50. I agree with you |
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qwlauren35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #26 |
41. The other thing that you now encourage... |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 12:38 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. So... the kid has no knowledge of family medical history, |
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NOLALady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 11:34 PM Response to Reply #43 |
106. Birth parents are required to inform the agency |
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Samurai_Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 09:14 AM Response to Reply #106 |
111. For those adoptions that are done through an agency. |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:21 AM Response to Reply #106 |
120. No they aren't. FYI. |
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Samurai_Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 12:58 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. You know those are all right-wing talking points |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 08:16 PM Response to Reply #45 |
90. I think secrecy is probably the most damaging thing about this |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 09:59 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. It's economically unfair as all hell too |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 10:11 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. I would agree with that and support a system in which birth parents and adoptees |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 10:23 AM Response to Reply #24 |
31. I Think I'm in Agreement With You |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:17 AM Response to Reply #24 |
118. Thank you for that post! As a birth mother... I can attest to every word of that! n/t |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 10:07 AM Response to Reply #1 |
29. I put I don't know, I am not in that situation nor do I know anyone in that situation |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 03:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
60. My son's father is adopted. We know his biomom but not his birth father. |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 07:49 AM Response to Original message |
2. Easy way around this |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 07:54 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Good idea with the "flag" thing BD |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 08:02 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. That's a good idea for future adoptions. But what about those that took place nearly 40 years ago, |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 08:06 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Then don't consent to be 'flagged' for contact. |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 08:23 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. My point is |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 08:28 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. You shouldn't but I think what they're saying |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 08:30 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. It's cold here! |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 08:54 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. lmao! |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 08:57 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Ha! |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
53. all a birth mother has to do |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 08:27 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. I think the right to privacy |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 08:29 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. I think the right to privacy _period_ trumps any interest or curiosity |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 08:30 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. 100% in agreement |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #6 |
37. Retroactive change on this is the sticking point for me. |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 08:40 AM Response to Reply #2 |
18. That was a story in Winkerbean comics a month or two ago |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 07:53 AM Response to Original message |
3. Great topic for a poll |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 04:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
63. The missing piece |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 07:55 AM Response to Original message |
5. People change their minds over time. |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 08:29 AM Response to Reply #5 |
13. True |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
8. We need better databases |
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Lint Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 08:27 AM Response to Original message |
10. There can be medical implications. Maybe not release the |
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CountAllVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #10 |
39. my mother was adopted |
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WePurrsevere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 08:31 AM Response to Original message |
17. Another adoptee here. In NY you can have the file flagged... |
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midlife_mo_Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
19. I voted "no" |
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Vickers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
20. I'm really surprised at the lopsidedness of the votes so far. |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 09:09 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Same here... |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 10:25 AM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Why? |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 11:00 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. I just thought people would split fairly evenly over the issue... |
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Vickers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 02:46 PM Response to Reply #33 |
57. Me, too. I voted "no" because I feel that the privacy concerns and |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 05:06 PM Response to Reply #32 |
69. Probably thought more "progressives" would respect the expectation of privacy |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 05:57 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. I Would Assume More Liberals Would Vote for Openness |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 06:49 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Breach of contract is a liberal value, you say? |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 07:16 PM Response to Reply #80 |
86. The child never entered into that contract |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
35. I think it should be up to the adoptee |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
36. If anonymity was a part of the deal -- then it needs to be honored |
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Oeditpus Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 07:04 PM Response to Reply #36 |
82. Funny — I don't remember authorizing such a 'deal' when I was three days old |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 08:04 PM Response to Reply #82 |
89. Sorry, but I don;t think you should have a say in it. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 08:49 PM Response to Reply #89 |
94. ah yes, property has no recognized interest in the conditions of its disposal... |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 09:00 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Thats not what I said. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 10:45 PM Response to Reply #95 |
103. yeah, it is... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
38. I'd say no. |
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qwlauren35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
40. I think it should be up to a mother. |
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Samurai_Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 01:05 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. I belong to a birthmother's group of over 500 |
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NOLALady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:00 AM Response to Reply #47 |
107. Maybe if adoptive parents weren't assured of privacy, |
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Samurai_Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 09:12 AM Response to Reply #107 |
110. Or maybe... |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #40 |
132. I am in agreement with you. There are alot of women living |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
42. Given we know- KNOW, beyond any doubt- that there are such things |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 12:48 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Which of your original birth records would give you any hint |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 04:43 PM Response to Reply #42 |
65. Which is why I voted yes |
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TheUniverse (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
46. No. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 05:45 PM Response to Reply #46 |
74. tough! |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 10:12 PM Response to Reply #74 |
100. Right to know birth mother vs. NOT BEING BORN AT ALL |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 10:27 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. baloney |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
49. Yes, for now and in the future |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
55. I was abandoned and adopted. |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 05:02 PM Response to Reply #55 |
68. A shame that book wasn't around when I was a child |
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noonwitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
59. Yes, if both parties agree |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
61. absolutely, unequivocally YES! |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
62. No, not automatically. It should be a choice. |
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Samurai_Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 04:50 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Medical histories change over time |
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Shallah Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 01:31 AM Response to Reply #67 |
127. Exactly! My birth familes all developed or diagnosed with illness *after* my adoption |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
64. Not unless BOTH parties are willing |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 05:08 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. Exactly. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 05:25 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. I always knew that an adoption was, at heart, a business dealing... |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 06:55 PM Response to Reply #72 |
81. Privacy is not a fundamental right? |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 07:12 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. it's a right whose full exercise you may forfeit by becoming a parent... |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 07:14 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Okay, so the answer, you say, is to get an abortion. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 08:40 PM Response to Reply #85 |
92. nope |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #84 |
134. I have children, and I don't think they have the right to my |
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Duer 157099 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
66. For once, a question that's so easy to answer! |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 05:43 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. I answered no |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 06:00 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. your child is not "some random stranger" |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 06:45 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. It's possible to give a medical history |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 07:10 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. In many cases the woman didn't ask to give birth. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 08:35 PM Response to Reply #83 |
91. nice try, but we can take special circumstances into account... |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 09:05 PM Response to Reply #91 |
96. The best person to judge the woman's circumstances |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 10:37 PM Response to Reply #96 |
102. oh, you can deny your obligations all you want... |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 10:48 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. I notice you only mention the mother's name. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 11:17 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. I'm following you on that... |
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kwyjibo (612 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:11 AM Response to Reply #66 |
116. exactly my thoughts. n/t |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
70. Depends.. IF the birth mother wants to be "found" she should be able |
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NekoChris (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
75. My wife is adopted |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 06:40 PM Response to Original message |
78. Wouldn't forced disclosure lead to more abortions? |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 07:39 PM Response to Reply #78 |
88. It's only a Pro-Choice issue when the baby is still inside of her. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 09:09 PM Response to Reply #88 |
98. We're talking about adults, not "a child" at this point, right? |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 09:16 PM Response to Reply #78 |
99. I think that's an obvious yes. |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
87. My opinion: |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
93. Of course, people have a right to their genetic legacy. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 09:06 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. That's not a "right". |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:41 AM Response to Reply #97 |
108. When it comes to something like a medical history it isn't a desire it is a right |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 06:44 AM Response to Reply #108 |
109. This goes back to what I was saying above |
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Shallah Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 01:18 AM Response to Reply #109 |
126. Every doctor my Mother took me to as a kid wanted family history aka parental medical history |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
112. agnostic here. |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
113. Yes! |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
114. From the article: |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
115. Shouldn't HIPAA prevent this? If the birthmother won't release medical records no one can get them. |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:20 AM Response to Reply #115 |
119. perhaps you misunderstand |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:16 AM Response to Original message |
117. As a birth mother, I said "yes" .. BUT there should be framework in place for privacy if needed.. |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:25 AM Response to Reply #117 |
122. sure, because many are |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:25 AM Response to Original message |
121. No, unless the birth mother has agreed |
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Samurai_Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 09:20 AM Response to Reply #121 |
128. Keep spewing the anti-choice talking points |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 05:12 PM Response to Reply #128 |
130. it's not privacy that's being urged on birthmothers, RadFemFL -- it's secrecy... |
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Shallah Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 01:00 AM Response to Original message |
123. Adopted Offspring Deserve Medical Info Often Not Available at Adoption |
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alittlelark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 01:04 AM Response to Original message |
124. My FIL's daughter contacted him 15 or so years ago |
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ourbluenation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 01:16 AM Response to Original message |
125. YES! Sign me, Adopted adult very happy to have found my birth family |
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Samurai_Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #125 |
129. There are already those types of things in place |
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Angela Shelley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
131. Yes, adult adoptees should have access |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
133. The problem is that you aren't just asking for the medical history of the birth |
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