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speedoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 10:42 PM Original message |
What is this nonsense McCain is spouting about Vietnam? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
1. I wonder what his definition of "a battle" is. |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
2. I wonder if people finally get that he really has gone over the |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
3. Technical... |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Militarily, Tet was a victory |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 11:08 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Yes Tet was a major military win |
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DemoTex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 06:51 AM Response to Reply #9 |
20. You hit on a key point, Yupster: Failure of the "General Uprising" component of Tet '68. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-30-07 07:54 AM Response to Reply #3 |
36. Riiight...................... |
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Lint Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
5. Nam ended 30 years ago. We are now in a war chosen by the |
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Zywiec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
6. I think the old saying is we never lost a battle, but lost the war |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 11:00 PM Response to Original message |
7. Didn't he just say it was public opinion "back home," |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
8. He's right |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 11:12 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Yes, John is right about 'Nam, and it WAS public opinion that turned |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 11:21 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. It took the American people accepting that there was no way that |
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VP505 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 11:31 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. As true as that is, |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
13. He's fucking insane, like all Republicans who make that BS claim.. |
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PsN2Wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 12:13 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Check my sig line |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
15. Okay see in Vietnam we DROPPED INTO a civil war |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 12:31 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Actually, the US created the artificial division between north and south. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 07:30 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Correct. In both cases we created the conflict. |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 07:46 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. There still would have been a war even if we weren't backing Diem. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 07:55 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. The US role |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 07:57 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. I understand that. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 08:01 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. In a discussion |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 09:56 PM Response to Reply #22 |
34. Ike didn't think so. But what did he know? |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-30-07 06:16 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. I'm not sure I'd call Ho's purges... |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-30-07 03:54 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. 2,000,000 dead from our actions. |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-01-07 09:44 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. What the fuck? |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-01-07 10:42 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. There is no evidence there would have been any war. |
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WheelWalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 12:52 AM Response to Original message |
17. He's playing the "genuine American" card....establishing he can be as |
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Smith_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 05:06 AM Response to Original message |
18. Using the "almightyness" of the US military to boost the ego of the common folks... |
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July (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 08:14 AM Response to Reply #18 |
27. As far as I recall, people "all over Europe" did not cheer when the planes crashed. |
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Smith_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:47 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Well, let me refrase my statement: |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 05:09 AM Response to Original message |
19. worms ate his atom brain |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
26. What battle was lost during the Tet offensive? |
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Mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 08:25 AM Response to Original message |
28. The Tet offensive was not one battle and we overcame the offensive. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
30. Which is kind of like the coach saying, "We got more yardage, we just didn't score". |
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Smith_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 02:04 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Or "I have more muscles than you. They're just covered by fat." |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
32. Notice you never hear USMC officers say, "we would have won if they would have let us do more"? |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
33. its a whole Red Herring - THERE IS NOTHING TO WIN |
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tuckessee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-01-07 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
40. Shows how dumb the American military mentality is. |
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