SO, our FREELY ELECTED Huguito has "won" *another* election!1 (So did Adolf)

[UTUSN]

AND to the poster who earlier today compared Huguito to FDR for serving 13 years, I will only say that FDR didn't CHANGE THE FUCKING CONSTITUTION every time there was an "election"!1




But that's just ME!1

[mitchtv]

1. Sept 11,1973

Coming soon to a country near you.

[LoZoccolo]

2. Recommended! n/t

[Gold Metal Flake]

3. You are the best comedian on DU.

You crack me up.

[UTUSN]

5. Do you mean that in a LOVING way?!1 n/t

[Gold Metal Flake]

6. oh, even more funny

slap knee, hold side

[UTUSN]

36. Please let me know what humor I have. I could be rich as a comedian. n/t

[Gold Metal Flake]

81. You are doing fine as a panicked fear-monger.

You could be a freeper impersonator.

[RC]

4. Who'd you rather live under? bu$h or Hugo?

Which one has done the most harm to their country?

[Pavulon]

7. We can judge when bush leaves office

..Will hold my breath for chavez turning over power.

[UTUSN]

34. I ain't that sure Shrub will relinquish power. Plus, Huguito said he wants to play dominoes & fish

with Shrub when they are both retired. But Huguito wants to KEEP "working" (and we know what THAT means) until he's 95.


So, (and I'm not convinced it will happen), Shrub is going to be ON HIS OWN!1

[UTUSN]

9. I know you don't think I don't DETEST Shrub. n/t

[LeftCoast]

72. Would you rather live under Kim Jong Il or Nicolai Ceaucescu?

That's not much of a choice you've given us there, RC.

[MadHound]

8. You obviously have no clue about the election today

Three separate organizations thought that it was a clean election(much cleaner apparently that the last two US presidential elections)

And while FDR didn't try and change the Constitution, he did try to pack the Supreme Court and other underhanded tactics to get his legislation through.

I don't get peoples' rabid hatred for Chavez. If you look closely at his administration you'll find that he runs a pretty clean shop, unlike Bush.

Perhaps you've been sucking at the teat of the MSM for too long:shrug:

[UTUSN]

10. Of course, I just SUCK TEAT *and* SUCK TEAT, that's ALL I do!1

[MadHound]

17. And it shows

You obviously have nothing of substance to back your ass up with, so you are resorting to cheap jokes and quick laughs in order to disguise your moral void and intellectual bankruptcy. Dance monkey Dance!

[UTUSN]

25. You KNOW me?! I always suspected I have a MORAL VOID *and* INTELLECTUAL BANKRUPTCY!1

Gawsh, if only I had ACCEPTED this TRUTH about myself 40 years ago, I would have been MUCH more at peace with myself!1



THANK you, THANK you, really really THANK you!!1



(Bette MIDLER says "thank you" with MUCH more sincerity!1)

[MyNameGoesHere]

75. Are you the series!1 person? n/t

[Djinn]

58. yes and it's a nasty infected one

that you can attempt to equate Hitler and Chavez clearly demonstrates your utter ignornace when it comes to the means utilised by Hitler to grab power AND the electoral system and constitution of Vz.

[seemslikeadream]

12. CNN mistake? QUIEN LO MATO??? HUGO CHAVEZ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T955xaPx4Ks


CNN, NPR Let Army Staff Into Newsroom
http://www.commondreams.org/views/041200-102.htm

Why Were Government Propaganda Experts Working On News At CNN?
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1748

CIA Venezuela Destabilization Memo Surfaces
http://counterpunch.com/petras11272007.html

US Coup Planned for Venezuela?
http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff11292007.html

[UTUSN]

18. Ah yaas, a CNN flunky is the COUNTER-REVOLUTIONARY!1 I *believe* YOU!1

(I would believe YOU more than Huguito!1)

[UTUSN]

15. I *have* ------- NO MIND!1 ------- I just SUCK & SUCK and SUCK!1 n/t

[AX10]

11. The UN cleared the election process.

[L. Coyote]

13. Guess again. They've gone home in Venezuela without knowing the results.

The current news is "disputed" result. We are getting very little news from Venezuela right now.

[stillcool]

16. that's what I thought...

I have not seen anything that even suggests a likely outcome.

[Cha]

14. Too bad this makes

you all crazy and shit.

[99th_Monkey]

19. Equating Hugo with Adolf is like equating FDR with Bush

There is about as much similarity in both cases ... and oh ya, they all supposedly "won" elections ... so what?

[UTUSN]

22. Well, the San Hugo-ites constantly JUSTIFY their idolatry on his "ELECTION"!1 n/t

[99th_Monkey]

38. Your "logic" is ...well, rather illogical.

So now everyone who you don't like who is elected is a "dictator" because Hilter was elected?

please. :puke:

[UTUSN]

51. Of course, the way YOU phrase things means EVERYTHING!1

[NuttyFluffers]

70. i can't follow what you say, but that pic of Ann Coulter with blown out hair is amazing!

oh, wait... no. i'm wrong. but whoever did this girl's hair definitely knows their way with a blow dryer.

[Warren Stupidity]

20. Hitler never won a free election.

He was appointed chancellor, his party did have more seats than any other party, but not even close to a majority. When Hitler ran for president he was beaten rather handily by Hindenburg. The nazi party lost seats in the last remotely free election, and in fact up until Hindenburg appointed him Chancellor, the nazi leadership thought that their strategy of gaining power through the electoral system had completely failed. Other than that, you have a point.

The comparison to FDR was simply that lack of term limits does not equal dictatorship. By the way FDR was in fact president for life. However he was not a dictator, although that charge was certainly made by foaming rightwing shitheads at the time.

[UTUSN]

23. FDR was *never* "president for life". Your dude has DECLARED that is his intention n/t

[Selatius]

27. Yeah, FDR was only continuously elected until he died in 1944.

:sarcasm:

[UTUSN]

30. & your point is?!1 FDR didn't change the constitution to get "elected"!1 n/t

[Selatius]

62. Yeah, I'm sure he didn't try to stack the Supreme Court in his favor.

I'm sure he didn't do that to try to get around constitutional issues of instituting some of his reforms. You might have heard of it. It's called Social Security. Neither did he throw tens of thousands of Americans into concentration camps during the war simply because they were of Japanese origin.

:sarcasm:

The point is that FDR was not above tampering with the Constitution either. If you want to accuse Hugo of it, you really shouldn't disqualify FDR from the same category either if you wish to avoid hypocrisy.

[NashVegas]

84. But Congress Changed the Constitution to Keep It From Ever Happening Again

Thank goodness for the Republicans of the 1940s who saw the danger of it, huh?

[Warren Stupidity]

49. Well actually he was in exactly the same way Chavez would like to be.

Chavez wants to get elected over and over again in free and fair elections, just like FDR was, until he croaks or gets tossed out. It is you guys who are misusing the term president for life, you just don't want the same misuse applied to FDR. We can both agree that FDR was not 'president for life' and that Chavez getting fairly re-elected until he dies in office would not make him 'president for life' either, or you can concede that FDR, under your misuse of the term, was 'president for life'. But you cannot have it both ways.

[Djinn]

61. and if the voters keep voting for him he will be

just like John Howard could have remained Aus PM for life if we hadn't voted him out. Just like almost any leader in any nation except the US can.

Oh sorry - if it doesn't happen in the US it MUST be a form of despotism.

Insular much?

[JDPriestly]

26. Hitler claimed to have won in a free election.

My mother-in-law who voted in that election reported that the ballots were marked with milk so that the Hitler regime could find out who voted how. That kind of ensures that people will keep in line, stay the course, etc.

[Warren Stupidity]

43. Well sure. As do all the tyrants.

Meanwhile back in Venezueala, the referendum vote it seems is very close. Odd fact for a dictatorship. Hard to square that with the claims being made here.

[bonito]

21. Some info

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez

[JDPriestly]

24. Excellent point, UTUSN.

Some play by the rules. Some don't. And that is the most important test. Is Chavez's government a government of laws or of Chavez? It is very easy to point to increased literacy, better health care, but those are temporary improvements unless Chavez establishes a really stable political system that ensures that any government that takes power answers to the people. I don't see Chavez doing that. He is kind of full of himself.

[UTUSN]

28. Changing the constitution with every new "election". But careful.

You and I will be Gitmo-ed. What islands are there near Venezuela?!

[JDPriestly]

47. Who me worry? The Hillary folks have been after me for weeks

because I'm such an Edwards fan. I do not get the Chavez craze. Lots of Americans got foolishly caught up in the pro-Stalin and pro-Hitler waves. Can't we learn? It's about laws, and respecting laws, not about personalities. The minute a "leader" can't give up power gracefully, you know there is a problem. It is a often a sign that the "leader" is hiding something.

[Djinn]

66. respecting laws?

what like if you want the constitution changed it needs to be put to a vote of the people :rofl:

[JDPriestly]

68. Of course it does. You can't change a constitution without a vote of the people or their

representatives. I'm quite pleased to hear that Chavez lost this one. No country needs to have the same president or "leader" for too long. Change in the leadership is important to ensure that you have a government of laws not men (or women).

[L. Coyote]

29. RESULT DISPUTED: New thread for the latest Breaking News:

New thread for the latest Breaking News:

BREAKING: CARACAS, Venezuela = Constitution referendum is said to be too close to call.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2392282

[UTUSN]

31. StaLEEN is doing a re-count!1 n/t

[L. Coyote]

35. FUNNY! The votes are counted at the voting locations, audited by the People, nad reported.

They are waiting for all the votes to come in from the far corners of the country. The polls only closed after everyone in line voted.

Unlike Ohio, this election is trustworthy.
Unlike Cuyahoga County 2004, they don't have an extra blank candidate on the ballot getting votes.

Unlike Florida, they don't have Republicans caging black voters.

Unlike New Mexico, they don't have counties where 6% of the votes don't count.

And we will see if their exit polls, unlike the USA, match the voting.

Hopefully, there will be no need for a recount when the tally is complete.
Apparently, YES is ahead, but not in such a manner that the vote could be called before the last 10% reported in.

[UTUSN]

37. Only if Huguito "wins" - otherwise the results are SUSPECT!1 n/t

[Djinn]

63. any chance AT ALL

that you can demonstrate a knowledge of any of the issues relevant here? Do you know anything about the current Vz constitution? or it's proposed changes?

Do you know anything about how well these changes are understood in Vz - ask anyone on the streets of Caracas what they think of the changes and they can give you a VERY detailed answer on why they support or oppose the changes. Most Americans don't even bother to vote in Presidential elections.

A VERY politically savvy nation has decided that they wish to see their resources more evenly spread.

An elected leader (remember - something YOU don't have) proposes changes to the Constitution and rather than just ignoring the doc (as YOUR leaders do) he has clearly enunciated what changes and asked the people to vote on it.

Your ignorance and inability to see that it is yourself that is living in a dictatorship should be viewed by the admins as a total embarrasment.

It's one thing to oppose Chavez but it helps if you have some information rather than simplistic banshee screeching to back up your argument.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

32. You are having a temper tantrum. Please resume your meds ASAP. -nt

[UTUSN]

33. Of course, imputing mental illness to somebody who disagrees with you is CONVINCING!1 n/t

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

41. Pavulon, among others, hates Chavez like you, but he's not pitching a hisy fit. -nt

[alcibiades_mystery]

44. Your substanceless petulance vs. imputation of mental illness

I'm not sure which is LESS convincing.

:rofl:

[UTUSN]

54. & to think, I used to think your "Aciabiades" handle was PROFOUND!1 n/t

[alcibiades_mystery]

69. You did?

I used to think you had sense.

Lay off the booze.

[ConsAreLiars]

39. So you choose imperialism?

Your silly freeper punctuation marks give a pretty good clue about the depth of your understanding, but you don't seem to have the faintest idea of what is going on in the conflict between Korporate Amerika and Venezuela. Yet you ally yourself with the slavemasters. Why?

[UTUSN]

42. Ah, so my ONLY choices are Huguito.

And, if you would READ MY POSTS ALOUD, you would "get" my emphasis. Think Regis!1


But thanks for your personal insults!1 That's what you've GOT!1



Oh, yes, I really REALLY luerve MY SLAVEMASTERS!1 HaHAH!1

[ConsAreLiars]

48. You get your "ideas" from Regis?

Thanks, that explains too much.

And be assured, your slavemasters love your good work on their behalf.

[UTUSN]

53. Yaas, yass, I *channel* Regis and LIVE by his DICTATES!1 At last you NOTICED!1 n/t

[UTUSN]

50. Addendum: Sancho Panza, here, is ALSO disappointed in the results!1

[otherlander]

88. Please shut up.

Please?

[scarletwoman]

40. Wow. All your CAPS and !1s have just about CONVINCED ME!1

I think it will take only another 2 or 3 beers and I WILL TOTALLY SEE THINGS YOUR WAY!1

[UTUSN]

45. GO for it !1 You'll LUERVE it when you see it my way!1 n/t

[Djinn]

64. nah

I'd prefer my outlook remained free of your intestinal tract thanks

[notadmblnd]

46. you left out another guy... Bush .. only, he doesn't change the constitution.. he shits on it!

[provis99]

52. Chavez didn't change the Constitution

The people of Venezuela voted to change the Constitution. Or don't the people count? Only the Venezuelan rich whites count in your worldview, eh?

[Ignis]

55. *snort* Your faux-trolling is hillarious! Keep it up.

The "1" for "!" transposition is the icing on the cake. Great performance!

:woohoo:

[UTUSN]

56. O.K., to all, it's past midnight & I bid you ALL a fair goodnight. (NOT my capitulation) n/t

[Djinn]

57. This might be hard for you to understand

given you are American you may not be too au fait with democracy.

Chavez did NOT change the constitution, the people of Vz (if that's how they voted - too close to call) changed it. As is their right and want.

Oh and as for your pathetic Hitler attempt - Hitler won due to lack of opposition originally and he then got rid of elections altogether.

Chavez WON a HEAVILLY contested election and then INCREASED his majority.

For any American citizen to criticise the state of democracy in Vz is BREATHTAKINGLY arrogant.

[UTUSN]

60. (before I retire for the night) Let's count the personal insults in your post

And, as for HITLER's "lack of opposition" - Senor Hugoito has a SOLIDLY PACKED congress because his opponents chose to SIT PREVIOUS "elections" OUT. The same phenomenon as our U.S. Greens and NADIRites withhold their votes from Dems. They help the RETHUGS.


But thanks for YOUR condescension, whoever YOU are!1

[Djinn]

65. I think you're confused

It doesn't matter who is in Congress what on earth does that have to do with anything? he WON THE PRESIDENTIAL VOTE. Some parties chose not to stand in the election but it was FAR from uncontested. This information is readilly verifiable if you wish to ascertain this for yourself instead of simply believing what the papers tell you.

Clearly you have zero understanding of the Vz electoral system and perhaps, if you want to stop looking so incredibly foolish you may want to do some reading.

I find it very hard not to condescend when speaking to people with such a stunning lack of insight and information - sorry 'bout that

Oh and there is not a single personal insult in the post you responded to:

This might be hard for you to understand given you are American you may not be too au fait with democracy.

nope not an insult

Chavez did NOT change the constitution, the people of Vz (if that's how they voted - too close to call) changed it. As is their right and want.

and again no insult

Oh and as for your pathetic Hitler attempt - Hitler won due to lack of opposition originally and he then got rid of elections altogether.

the "pathetic" refers to the clumsy attempt at comparing Hitler and Chavez - doesn't say YOU are pathetic (tho' if the cap fits mate)

Chavez WON a HEAVILLY contested election and then INCREASED his majority.

mmm once again no insult

For any American citizen to criticise the state of democracy in Vz is BREATHTAKINGLY arrogant.

Anyone living under the rule of a leader installed by a court has no business lecturing another people about their ELECTED leader - not an insult (not even directed to you only) a statement of patent obviousness.

I guess the education system that failed you so badly in regards to the definition of democracy/dictator was equally lax in it's definition of insult.

[devilgrrl]

59. This is hUGH this is SERIES the wurld is SCREWN!!!!!

:sarcasm:

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

67. Somebody's gonna be feeling pretty weird in the morning. K & R n/t

[malaise]

71. Yours is a funny post

Venezuela's democracy is very young. They have had a history of US backed dictators with no limits period, let alone term limits. When I think of the US backed attempted coup to remove him I just have to laugh at some of what I'm reading. If that coup had succeeded you think MSM would have been discussing any democratic values in Venezuela. Indeed they took the signal straight from Bushco and reported it as a great thing and it flopped in their faces, but apparently you missed that.

I didn't expect the referendum to pass simply because it had too many components (some very democratic and some that were troubling). I had no problem with removing term limits. Even BBC had to correct itself this morning and point out that there are no term limits in Westminster parliamentary democracies. The fact is that even when citizens love some policies, they are unlikely to give up newly acquired rights to anyone left or right. Remember the Venezuelan army and citizens resisted Bushco's coup.

I give Hugo lots of kudos - he's way more democratic than George Bush.

[leftofthedial]

73. as long as the "fucking constitution" gets changed at the polls,

why do you care?

(or not changed, as the case may be)

I mean, hell. we don't even get to vote for dogcatcher anymore without repuke corporations deciding how to "count" the "votes."

[Snarkturian Clone]

74. We need more posters like you.

This place is getting boring. We could all use as much passion behind our posts. Also the "!!1". That's my favorite.

[spanone]

76. read: Venezuela Hands Narrow Defeat to Chávez Plan

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/03/world/americas/03venezuela.html?hp

[mmonk]

77. He's different from our dictatorship.

He leaves changes up to the people and the people said no.

[tom_paine]

78. Boy are you blinded by being pissed off. Not that I am criticizing. I fully understand.

I know what that feels these last seven years. And I am the one who DIDN'T wholly or even partially compare Chavez to FDR, but in your blindness, that's all you could see. I compared them in ONE SINGLE aspect...years served.

Want the proof? Here's the proof. My post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2387855&mesg_id=2388588

A quote from my post: Now that doesn't mean that I am comparing Chavez to FDR in ANY OTHER WAY besides the number of years they served.

Let me repeat it now a few times. If the Bushies have taught me one thing it is that we Imperial Subjects of Amerika respond to repetition.

Now that doesn't mean that I am comparing Chavez to FDR in ANY OTHER WAY besides the number of years they served.
Now that doesn't mean that I am comparing Chavez to FDR in ANY OTHER WAY besides the number of years they served.
Now that doesn't mean that I am comparing Chavez to FDR in ANY OTHER WAY besides the number of years they served.
doesn't...doesn't...doesn't mean I am comparing Chavez in ANY...ANY...ANY...OTHER WAY besides the number of years they served
besides the number of years they served
besides the number of years they served
number of years they served
number of years they served
number of years they served
nuh...nuh...nuh...number of years they served.

OK? Build your Straw Men as much as you like, but don't lie about what I said. Or are you still so blinded by your hatred of Chavez that you could read all that and STILL accuse me making a blanket comparison of Chavez to FDR?

Why is it that I think you still can?

Finally, Chavez apparently has lost, and now he is behaving wholly the opposite of Royal Bushies when they lose.

He apparently seems to be accepting his defeat (yes, I know we will have to wait and see for true and long-term confirmation of this), and not using SOA methods to overturn the election results, as our Bushies did to US in 2000.

You can now return to your regularly scheduled activity of building Straw Men to knock down...

[LanternWaste]

79. What is the precise and relevant commonality

What is the precise and relevant commonality between Chavez and Hitler each winning an election? Didn't Washington win a few himself? Are you comparing Washington to Hitler?

Or maybe I should write,

"i'M SERIES1111!! ThiS is Hughe!!!1

[Zorra]

80. I think you may be mistaken. It is my understanding that he "lost"

the referendum by a narrow margin, and declined a recount because he already knows the electoral system in his country is accurate.

[mistertrickster]

82. Actually, Hitler never won an election. That's a common myth. nt.

[High Plains]

83. There ought to be a rule about drunk posters.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

85. k

:shrug:

[Zorra]

86. k

[RB TexLa]

87. K & R