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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 02:33 AM
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From the wackieness that is WorldNutDaily: Televangelist names plush pig Mohammed.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58996

American evangelist has jumped into the fray over the fate of a British teacher facing calls for death over a teddy bear named "Muhammad."

Bill Keller, host of LivePrayer, has posted a video on YouTube featuring a pink, toy pig named Muhammad after the Muslim prophet.

"Indeed Muhammad was a man of murder," the pig, voiced by Keller himself, states in the video. "He was a pedophile, having a wife at the age of six. And I came to find out that the Quran really is nothing more than a book of fairy tales."

Keller, a vocal critic of Islam, made the video in response to the case of Gillian Gibbons, who was sentenced to 15 days in a Sudan jail after being convicted of insulting Islam for allowing her student to call a teddy bear "Muhammad."


Now, I haven't identified as a Christian in a long time, but isn't there something in the Bible about turning the other cheek when someone insults you?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 02:36 AM
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1. That is a HUGE help to that teacher who is still in jail--it will SURELY encourage her idiotic
captors to go easier on her...

WTF is WRONG with some people?
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 03:18 AM
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3. I actually think that the world should continue such
outrages as naming things Muhammed or even publishing political cartoons about Muhammed or Islam.

I think that eventually the angry mobs will get riot fatigue and will realize their religion and their prophet can do just fine even if there is a cartoon about him in a newspaper once in a while.

I don't think avoiding anything that might upset them is in the world's best interest. The opposite is in fact right.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 06:14 AM
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7. The PIG is over the top. It's common courtesy to not pull that 'pig' shit
when discussing Islam.

It would be like serving Catholics hot dogs on Friday back in the old days. Most people don't realize that plain cheese pizza in school cafeterias on Friday (with the optional, never eaten fish sticks) were a nod to practicing Catholics.

But common courtesy is in short supply these days.

Just because these teddybear folks were idiots, it doesn't mean we should sink to their level and insult an entire religion by naming a 'haram' (forbidden) meat animal after their Prophet. It's just not a classy thing to do. Just because you can, does not mean you should.
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BurningDog Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:36 AM
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13. Nothing should be over the top or off limits.
Every other religion has had to learn how to deal with having their entire religion insulted without rioting and killing people.

Catholics have had to put up with having their entire religion directly insulted (not a perceived insult about the name of a teddy bear) on a yearly basis. All they do is put out a press release, make a few news appearances, and get over it.

The guy with the stuffed pig is probably an asshole, but Islam needs to learn how to deal with assholes without acting like savages.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:41 AM
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15. Fine, whatever.
It's just deliberately meanspirited, it's broad brushing by morons without knowledge. It's using a nuke to swat a fly.

The difference between Islam and the Catholic Church is that there isn't any POPE in Islam, NO leader who puts out the word for all Muslims. And not all Muslims share the same attitude as these bear nitwits. There are many sects, many branches. All have different forms of leadership. It is an entirely grassroots religion.

The insult needs to be directed at the Sudanese idiots--but what these bozos are doing is insulting every Muslim from Michigan to Morocco, from Indiana to Iran, for the actions of these few idiots.

I haven't seen anyone "act like savages" with regard to this lunatic response. My point was, first, it is broad brush, and second, it wasn't too bright a thing to do while the Sudanese nitwits held the woman.

I hear she has been pardoned, and is free now.

But whatever. It was an idiotic thing to do with that pig. Yes, they have the "right" to do it, and they have the right to play in traffic, too.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:54 AM
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18. I agree with Burning Dog
Tolerance is easy if everyone is too scared to do anything that might upset you. The angry mobs need to learn that people have universal rights and naming their animals whatever they want and drawing whatever cartoons they want are two of them. These angry mobs will learn that too someday too, but only if people don't run away from them in fear.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 11:34 AM
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21. You are missing the context of this -- wars are being fomented against Muslims, and this is gasoline
on the fire.

Of course religions and religionists should be rational, but they're not. The hype surrounding a fucking teddy bear is because someone wants a war -- er, I mean another war.
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pennylane100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 04:48 AM
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4. She is supposed to be freed today.
Lets hope she avoids the angry mutants who want her dead and gets out the country safely.
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 02:38 AM
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2. Christian and Muslim fundies are cut from the same cloth
Both are desperate to provoke the other into starting an all-out, global, apocalyptic war between good (ie their religion) and evil (ie the other guy's religion).
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 06:12 AM
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6. If Gillian Gibbons gets out of Sudan alive, the mob faction of
fanatical Muslims in Sudan have made her an instant celebrity - if she wants to be one or not.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:03 AM
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10. I disagree.
You can't compare calling a televangelist calling a plush pig Mohammed with angry mobs demanding someone be put to death for calling a bear Mohammed.

I'm no fan of Christianity, but I think it's unjust to suggest that it's no better than Islam.

The worst Christian groups I know of, incidentally, aren't fundamentalists - take a look at the Lord's Resistance Army in the Sudan...
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 11:02 AM
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20. "I'm no fan of Christianity, but I think it's unjust to suggest that it's no better than Islam."
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 11:10 AM by SemiCharmedQuark
It IS no better than Islam in that *some* people who practice Christianity are willing to go as far as murder people in the name of their beliefs just as *some* people who practice Islam are willing to murder people in the name of *their* beliefs.

It's a different part of the world with a completely different history. You can't compare the Christians here with the worst Muslims there and call it a fair comparison. For every quote that urges violence in the Qur' an, there is one just like it in the OT. It's not the religion that's the problem. The religion is just the excuse that is used.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 06:10 AM
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5. Jesus is also venerated in Islam.
That's something these christian fundies seem to forget.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 06:16 AM
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8. Yes he is, and his followers are People of The Book and therefore not infidels.
It's not as cut and dried as some think. Many Muslims are named after him. Every time you see ISA, that's JESUS.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:46 AM
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9. A little more on Bill Keller.
(snip)

Now living in Chicago, he set up another phone bank and began raking it in again. And along with it, the lifestyle: booze, coke, power suits, full-length mink coats, weekends in Vegas losing 50 grand at the crap table.

Then came a fateful dinner with a couple of old acquaintances from the brokerage world. They were investment bankers with knowledge of pending corporate takeovers. They set up a deal: The brokers would give Keller information about companies that were about to be bought up; he would buy gobs of their stock via an off-shore account. When news got out about the acquisition, the stock would skyrocket, Keller would cash out and the insider trio would split up the spoils.

Keller was on a plane for the Cayman Islands the next day. For a few months, the scam worked beautifully. (He says that compared to the Michael Milkens of the time, he was just a little fish.) But the Drug Enforcement Administration had set up a sting operation to catch crooks laundering drug money in the Caymans. With him making about three trips a month there, he quickly showed up on the DEA radar. When the narcs found out that Keller was not involved in the dope trade, they turned the case over to the Securities Exchange Commission, which brought a civil suit against him.

After a few months of legal scrums, the SEC referred the case to the U.S. Attorney's Office for criminal charges. Keller remembers the scene well: It was chilly in Chicago on Oct. 12, 1989. His lawyer had told him to be at the U.S. Attorney's office for a meeting. Keller was running late, so he had his limo driver pull up on the sidewalk in front of the federal building. He emerged from the back seat, draped in a mink coat, 45 minutes late.

"I never actually sat down," Keller recounts. "We shook hands and the U.S. Attorney looks at my attorney and says, 'If Mr. Keller cooperates we can probably work out something in the range of six months.' I looked at him and said, 'It's been nice meeting you. One day, when you're as good as me, we can talk about something else.'"

Ten days later, Keller left for a Florida vacation. He insists he did not go on the lam. Brazenly, he failed to leave a contact number with his lawyer, so he was not aware he'd been indicted. On Dec. 17, 1989, Keller was lounging around a friend's Pensacola Beach condo, sipping a snifter of Louis the 13th cognac, waiting for the pizza delivery man and Monday Night Football to come on, when he answered a knock at the door.A bevy of U.S. Marshals, with a helicopter hovering overhead, pushed Keller to the floor, handcuffed him and tossed him in the Escambia County Jail. On the day after Christmas, he was shipped back to Chicago, where a judge pegged him a flight risk, denied him bail and remanded him to the city's Metropolitan Correction Center.

Keller soon copped a plea with the authorities. From November 1990 until August 1992, he did what he calls "Club Fed" time at the Federal Prison Camp at Saufley Field near Pensacola.



http://tampa.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A3441

There must be a mold somewhere where they make these types.
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Snarkturian Clone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:07 AM
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11. Everytime i hear about World Nut Daily
I think of all the people that read it as there primary news source.

:cry:
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distantearlywarning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 08:18 AM
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12. Just one more religious nutjob
This guy is as stupid as the original religious nutjobs who arrested the woman.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 09:59 AM
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14. That is just downright offensive
And I'm a Christian. Guess he missed this part....

Romans 12 : 18 : If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men.

I am convinced these "Christians" don't read the Bible.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:45 AM
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16. Dan Savage is naming a new buttplug Muhammad
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 10:46 AM
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17. "Quran really is nothing more than a book of fairy tales."...
And the bible is what?

Sid
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 11:01 AM
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19. Nobody fucks with The Jesus!
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 11:04 AM by Ezlivin
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 01:29 PM
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22. In general Christians do turn the other cheek
Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 01:29 PM by MathGuy
Take that guy who immersed the Crucifix in urine and called it "Piss Christ". I don't think he spent a day in jail, or was threatened with a flogging, or was deported. I don't remember the Pope declaring a fatwa against him, or mobs of thousands of Christians marching and yelling for his execution.

I guess some religions are a little more evolved than others.
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