Universal Health INSURANCE is not

[rateyes]

the same as Universal Health CARE. And, DU, IMO, we should be leery of voting for anyone whose health-care plan is not single-payer.

Again, mandating health INSURANCE for everyone (regardless of who pays for it) does NOT provide health CARE for everyone.

If we're going to do this, let's get it right the first time.

[Renew Deal]

1. Isn't Hillary's plan the same as Mittens?

That's what he did in MA.

[Hieronymus]

4. Hillary's plan involved private insurance companies.

[sandnsea]

5. Her plan is worse than Mass

You don't get any help from Hillary except for tax credits at the end of the year. The Mass plan subsidizes the monthly premiums, completely different and far better than Hillary's. But there are still problems, which is why it shouldn't have been mandated from the start. These plans point out the problems though, which is why I'm okay with them as a starting point. We are going to have to cross off every option available before we get to single payer. That is just the way the American people are.

[rateyes]

6. Yeah, pretty much,

and it doesn't provide universal care...neither does Obama's or Edwards' plans.

[SharonAnn]

15. Yes. We all need Health Care. There other ways than "insurance" to provide it.

[Hieronymus]

2. Yes, single payer works for the rest of the developed nations ...

at a fraction of what it costs here.

[sandnsea]

3. I have subsidized insurance

Are you seriously going to keep me from getting health care because what I have isn't "right" in your estimation?

[rateyes]

7. Where do you get the idea that the word "universal"

doesn't include YOU?

[sandnsea]

8. If you take away my subsidized insurance

and force me to wait for single payer, I'll be waiting until I die.

[rateyes]

21. Who said anything about taking anything from you? nt

[sandnsea]

22. If you don't support subsidized insurance

then there are a whole lot of people who will be cut off what they have.

[rockymountaindem]

24. If they're cut off of subsidized insurance and get single-payer in return

what have they lost?

[sandnsea]

25. My state voted down single payer

:shrug:

Will you really stop people from getting health care if the plan doesn't meet your approval?

[rockymountaindem]

27. I don't understand what you're asking me

Single payer would cover *everyone*. Who would be prevented from getting care in that scenario?

[sandnsea]

28. It Won't Pass

Subsidized health insurance is the only other option. People need to stop fooling themselves. Fighting subsidies is preventing real people from getting real help, TODAY.

[rockymountaindem]

29. All I want to know is if you're opposed to universal health insurance?

You seem to be, and I don't understand why.

[sandnsea]

30. Of course not

I'm just tired of people preventing help today for a utopian dream. How many years should we leave people without care while we hold out for single payer?

[truedelphi]

31. I think there is a bit of sand up in your sea

Universal equals everyone.

You wouldn't be prevented from having what you have until it became a reality.

[bvar22]

35. Adopting the same HealthCare system currently available....

...in EVERY other developed country in the WORLD can hardly be called a "utopian pipedream".
The only thing that needs to be overcome is the Corporatists talking points....like "Utopian Pipedream".

Single Payer already exists in this country.
Simply expand MediCare.

Don't you find it selfish that your fight to protect your personal Subsidized HealthCare will DENY HealthCare for so many.....Lucky You.
Some people (like myself) who cannot afford HealthCare are paying taxmoney to subsidize YOUR HealthCare.

There is only one way to level the field in providing "HealthCare" to everyone...Single Payer.
This is the time for CHANGE, not settling for a "less than" system that will further entrench the corrupt For Profit Health Insurance Industry.



The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

[luckyleftyme2]

12. canada has a great plan!

canada has a system that works,and they believe we americans are stupid to pay the money we do and don't have 100% coverage.
half of my relatives are canadian and believe me all the negatives you read about canadian health-care is Minor compared to ours.
google canadian health -care v.s usa you will be surprised! some say canadian health care is sub-standard but still better than ours.

[sandnsea]

26. I don't live in Canada

I live in the United States with a bunch of brainwashed bumfucks who will never support a Canadian system.

[Devlzown]

9. I think single-payer is the way to go, too.

I'm also leery of other types of plans.

[annabanana]

16. The other plans stubbornly insist on keeping the insurance companies

in the money loop. They are the problem. Every penny that goes into profit for these companies & their stockholders is subtracted from the care that someone is getting.

[madrchsod]

10. i would not be able to afford insurance

under any plan but universal. just because i`m "mandated" does`t mean i could afford health insurance because of my medical history. the only plan that is worth a shit is dennis`s and that plan has no chance in hell ever passing

[Rex]

11. Just call it Lifecare, drop the health part and give it to all citizens.

Make it a Federal, State, Local issue. It would take time, but would work and no one would ever have to worry about getting sick and dying. Well, not as much. Take one of the specters of death off the backs of the working poor. You would have more people going to see the doctor. Abuse would be handled in a similar fashion to police or fire department procedures.

[AlertLurker]

13. Right the FIRST TIME (as usual):

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h109-676

H.R. 676 <109th>: Expanded and Improved Medicare for All Act

109th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 676
To provide for comprehensive health insurance coverage for all United States residents, and for other purposes.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES


February 8, 2005

Mr. CONYERS (for himself, Mr. KUCINICH, Mr. MCDERMOTT, and Mrs. CHRISTENSEN) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Energy and Commerce, and in addition to the Committees on Ways and Means, Resources, and Veterans' Affairs, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned...

He's the only candidate in the running to have AT LEAST sponsored a bill ALREADY and sent it to the floor...


SUPPORT Dennis Kucinich TODAY!!!

[Breeze54]

20. Saved me some typing AlertLurker !

Thanks! ;)

[JerseygirlCT]

14. Good point. nt

[qwertyMike]

17. Move to Canada

Or Scaninavia

[Lex]

19. That's your solution for the U.S.?

Well, you sure put a lot of thought into it.

[Warren Stupidity]

23. Scaninavia?

Or Fance or Enland or Demark or Gemeny or Irland or Itly or Span or Holand or just about anywhere in all of Erup.

Yo! Scandinavia isn't even a country, it is a region.

Did you know that we are the only major industrial democracy without universal healthcare?

[terryg11]

18. Kucinich only one with single payer plan

last time I checked.

[truedelphi]

32. And he is the only one that is really wanting an impeachment hearing

And to get out of Iraq now and to not start WW III over Iran.

For all those reasons, he's my man!

[eridani]

33. Private insurance exists to DENY health CARE as often as possible

Candidates other than Kucinich who propose to legislate against private insurance cherrypicking and claims denial on the grounds that their plans are more "realistic" are just full of it. To tell insurers that they can't cherrypick is to tell them they aren't allowed to exist, so why not just recognize that fact and go for single payer?

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

34. and executives have had bonuses tied to improving the denial rate.

Imagine. Healthcare has to be NOT FOR PROFIT. And even those words allow for plenty of weaseling at the top - salaries, bonuses, perks, stock options etc. in what is supposedly a non-profit outfit.

I agree that single payer removes pretty much all the issues.