Third time is a charm:stolen election 2008

[Uben]

Oh, it will happen, or they will die tryin! Why? The Bush administration has painted itself into a corner. While in power, they have managed to keep the bulk of their transgressions against America under wraps. "State secrets", executive priviledge, or just plain refusing to comply has been their "modus operandi" for the last seven years. All that comes to a halt if they lose the whitehouse. If the dems were allowed to win, they have no more protection, and all the blocks come tumbling down.

The stakes are just too high to let the democrats win the whitehouse. A majority in the senate and house is not enough if its not a veto-proof majority. We will not be allowed to achieve that goal either.

If the democrats were allowed to gain control, all those investigations that have been stone-walled for all these years could come to life, and gain the evidence they have been seeking, and the end game would send the Bush cabal to prison. They cannot, will not, let that happen.

Do you think our election system now has enough integrity to for us to legitimately win? Think again! The majority of votes are still cast via electronic vote, on the same machines we have been raped by for the last two elections. And how many of those have paper trails? See?

So, this is how it will go down. Dems will appear to be winning by a few percentage points right up until next summer, when suddenly, the race tightens, and threatens to be a coin-flip. Again, we will see contested congressional seats so close a recount will be needed, and the republicans will win enough of those to achieve their goal. The presidential race will be the closest ever, once again requiring the supreme courts intervention, and we already know how that will go.

Four more years of cover-up, stone-walling, deception, shredding, missing e-mails, state secrets, all the while they will be working on a system to subvert paper ballots and fair elections. The way I see it, it's not a maybe, it's a "must-be", on their part. Those republicans who do not play along will not will not run again (remember how many we already have not running for re-election?) Those who do will be rewarded accordingly, as they have been.

Can't happen? Third times a charm! (God, I hope I'm wrong. I hope all of this is paranoia, but histroy has a way of repeating itself)

[annabanana]

1. They are working VERY HARD to steal this one.

It's the MACHINES, people.


Arizona lawsuit:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2393341&mesg_id=2393341

Mukasey & New York:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2390030&mesg_id=2390030

[Benhurst]

2. And the corporate press is ready to lend its assistance.

The talking heads will shake their heads gravely and pontificate, "The American people weren't ready for a woman," "The American people weren't ready for an African American," or whatever silly justification is necessary to explain away yet another stolen election.

Recommended :kick: #2

[sam sarrha]

3. they can not win so they can not let it happen

[cali]

4. Odds are against their being able to steal it next year n/t

[Uben]

7. I know...

....at least that is what we have been told, which pretty much fits into the plan. Look for that to change come spring. Wait and see!

[cali]

10. this is exactly what people said about 2006

no doubt they tried, but they failed, and the odds are even more heavily stacked against them in 2006. Dems don't even need ANY repukes to win next year- that's how much registration in the repuke party has been collapsing. The numbers argue against their having a small enough margin to steal it.

[info being]

13. There are no odds involved...

...which is kind of the point.

[Toots]

5. How can you do a recount if there is no paper trail?

Recounts are a thing of the past. Everybody knows machines never make mistakes.....

[demnan]

6. Kucinich pledged to offer a bill

requiring paper ballots. I hope he hurrys this up. Oh yeah it will probably just sit in some committee all year just like impeachment.

If we let this happen we deserve it, and we knew it!

[kenfrequed]

14. Bottled K

To be honest a lot of the legislation that certain candidates back tends to get bottled. I think it is an active attempt to prevent any of them from effectively catapulting themselves forward based on some kind of legislation.

Obviously the repugs are all too happy to help out with this, and Steny Hoyer and Emmanuel Rahm always look for ways to kick the progressives "Democratic wing" of the Democratic party in the teeth. This explains why Hoyer was sooo instrumental in trying to crush the impeachment movement.

[Richard Steele]

8. Little in the US voting system has changed since 2004. No reason they can't steal 2008.

Say hello to pResident Romney.

[Stevepol]

9. K&R. n/t

[K Gardner]

11. This has been my fear all along. Those who think it can't happen again are just wrong. K&R

[info being]

12. What would be the point of dismantling a democracy...

...only to, at the end of 8 years, say, "Oh well, we lost the election. What's fair is fair."

Think about it. Dems cannot "win" in 2008.

[helderheid]

15. rec 9

[tom_paine]

16. We know the script. We've been through it before.

n/t

[Zywiec]

17. "If the democrats were allowed to gain control"

all those investigations that have been stone-walled for all these years could come to life, and gain the evidence they have been seeking, and the end game would send the Bush cabal to prison. They cannot, will not, let that happen.

I thought we were in control?

What happened to the two impeachment bills Kucinich brought before the Democratically controlled Judiciary committee?

[Perry Logan]

18. You would think even Republicans would notice that being in power is the worst thing for them.

[suffragette]

19. I worry about California

They seem to have set their sights on undermining the election there. Each time it's been a foundation of long-term skullduggery - voter repression, caging lists, making people cast provisional votes, then not counting them, installing an S.O.S who will set up rules and "manage" the process in their favor, etc, then an overlay of focusing on a different state in a somewhat-first Florida with the chads, then Ohio with the machines.

I think the attempt to shift the electoral vote process in California is just the 1st attempt they'll make to subvert the process there. The two things against them in this is that Debra Bowen is there and the many people in California, especially those DU'ers who remain vigilant on these issue.

[tavalon]

20. They won't steal it

but neither will they have to. Most of "our" candidates will let them walk without a single attempt to hold them accountable. It wouldn't be good politics. :eyes: