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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:28 PM
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Remember: Not everyone in the ruling cabal wants to invade or bomb Iran....
Back in March, I posted this:

The invasion of Iraq happened because there was a “coalition of the willing” of the biggest US Foreign Policy heavyweights:

1.) Big Oil
2.) The Administration
3.) The Military Industrial Complex
4.) Israel
5.) Saudi Arabia

Now, not all the above coalition is signed on to an invasion/attack on Iran. Let’s look at the above players in detail:

1.) Big Oil:
Big Oil wanted the oil in Iraq. Iraq has the lion’s share of the under-exploited oil in the region. Big Oil is in the process of getting EXTREMELY favorable terms for the drilling of Iraqi oil. Chaos in Iraq got them these favorable terms, but once the ink is dry on the deal, Big Oil will be pushing to actually bring stability to Iraq. An attack on Iran will make any attempt to exploit oil ANYWHERE in the Middle East nearly impossible for decades. James Baker is the voice of Big Oil and Saudi Arabia. The recommendations of the Iraqi Study Group pretty much spells out what Big Oil wants. They DON’T want an attack on Iran. Saber rattling to intimidate Iran into a more “helpful” role maybe, but no attack.

2.) The Administration
The Administration has broken so many laws to make the invasion of Iraq happen, it boggles the mind. The farther away from a massive terror attack/new invasion, the more jail cells figure into their future. So, of course, they want a new war. But this Administration is a creature of Big Oil. So Cheney is probably appealing to as many power brokers as he can, but, in the end, he’ll follow orders.

3.) The Military Industrial Complex
These ghouls make money on war and chaos. Probably the biggest fans of an Iranian invasion.

4.) Israel
Once Iraq was invaded, if Iran didn’t have a nuclear program, they would be idiots if they didn’t start one. Fast. And Israel would be its target. So, of course Israel is pushing for an attack on Iran. A while back, someone said Big Oil and Israel were allies. I said “fellow travelers”. And here’s where they part company.

5.) Saudi Arabia
As usual, the interests of Saudi Arabia and Big Oil are almost identical. While the Saudis do have ancient religious antagonisms with Shiite Iran, I think the interests of keeping the oil flowing will win in the end.

So, the box score is 2 for, 2 against and the Administration split down the middle. My guess is that, as long as Iran lets Big Oil have its way in Iraq, no attack – even if Iran goes forward with its nuclear program.

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The only thing that's changed since I wrote that was that the Iraqi congress has balked on the oil deal. And Iran may well have played an indirect role in encouraging the Shiites to hold out for a better deal. But remember: an attack on Iran stops the Oil Business in the region for a long time. Big Oil sees an attack as the LAST resort.

My guess is that all the saber rattling is still just an attempt on Big Oil's part to get Iran to stand aside. And how will we know that a deal was struck? Well, we'll see a backing away from all the threats to Iran (like this NIE???) and then we'll see the Iraqis sign a deal. Now, Israel will not be happy with this deal, but if Israel is the 800 lb. gorilla in US foreign policy circles, Big Oil is King Kong.

Again: my money is on lots of brinksmanship, but no attack.


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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:30 PM
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1. The army went into Iraq kicking and screaming. Flyers Bush, Rumsfeld, and Meyers wanted it...
NOT the groundpounders.

"The Pentagon" is not a single, unified, entity.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:36 PM
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2. Exactly. Every one of the big players I listed above is just a collection...
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 02:36 PM by Junkdrawer
of smaller players, many with different agendas.

Invading Iraq and invading Iran are two completely different propositions.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:36 PM
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3. Disagree about the military--Gates and top generals were and are
very reluctant about military action against Iran. Now the rest of the complex might be a different story.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:40 PM
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4. As I said above, I agree. When I say MIC, I'm thinking Halliburton, Lockheed, etc....
Before Iraq, we saw a raft of resignations. And Iran would be MUCH worse...
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:43 PM
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6. Yep--the industrial part of the MIC would stand to gain big-time.
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:53 PM
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9. I understand what you're saying...
The MIC is controlled by the highest paid members, and I'm sure the generals are pretty low on that list. For instance the former CEO of Lockheed made $20 million in 2004. So who's really in controlling things here? It's very possible the military (which means the government) is taking orders from the MIC.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:58 PM
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10. Absolutely. If you want to rank the relative power of any of the players....
follow the money.

And, to give you an idea of the stakes, there's an estimated 300 to 400 BILLION barrels of oil in Iraq.

At, say, $50 per barrel of profit (a very low estimate) that's 15 to 20 TRILLION dollars.

That buys a LOT of influence.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:42 PM
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5. Gates has appointed admirals to run things in the ME now. And they're VERY ...
hesitant.

Fallon and Mullens.
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SharkSquid Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:48 PM
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7. Cause we arent crazy
:)

Mullens is no dope, he is actually damn smart and from what I heard a very good man.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:50 PM
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8. He was a breath of fresh air for the sub force, I'll tell you that! nt
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SharkSquid Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 02:26 PM
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14. Haha see not all of us SWOs are bad :)
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Beerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 03:09 PM
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11. Really they do, but there is dissent.
Dissent is heart-warming. Bushco* is so fucked, again.
A heartfelt HannaRamaKwaanzMas to you and yours if I don't see you @ DU until after the holidays.

Merry Christmas, Bedford Falls!:beer:
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 03:48 PM
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12. Froehliche Weihnachtzeit from Dubuque Star country.
Just north of the old Blackhawk beer realm.
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