Will the "piece of shit" vote come out for Chavez next time?

[LoZoccolo]

Poll question: Will the "piece of shit" vote come out for Chavez next time?

Here is what he said when his constitutional reforms were struck down.

"It's a piece of sh-- victory, and ours -- they can call it a defeat, but -- it was courageous, full of valor, full of dignity," he said at the Miraflores presidential palace with his top military commanders.

He also stated that he is interested in trying again.

"Get ready, because a new offensive is coming," Chavez said after breaking into a news conference being given by the military high command to address issues surrounding Sunday's vote. "If the people collect the signatures, the reform can be submitted for a referendum again."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/05/venezuela.chavez/index.html

If he does indeed put an end to his term limits and other constitutional reforms up for referendum again, will the segment of the voters who accomplished what he referred to as a "piece of shit victory" come around and vote for it?

[Name removed]

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[LoZoccolo]

2. Show me the other poll on the "piece of shit victory". n/t

[mike_c]

3. huh? as far as I know you're the only one spamming DU with this stuff....

eom

[LoZoccolo]

4. OK so I'm the only one. Where is the other thread on this subject that I posted? n/t

[mike_c]

11. what are you talking about?

I never said anyone else was posting this stuff. Thankfully, you are the only one. I just wish you would stop.

[LoZoccolo]

14. Sure, because the Democratic Party is all-out for Chavez.

Thus, this doesn't belong here!

[Name removed]

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[LoZoccolo]

54. I think it would be good for you to take some deep breaths before you come back to this. n/t

[Dorian Gray]

5. I think you are confusing spam with flamebait....

[LoZoccolo]

6. Yes, spam is unwanted messages.

Like Naderite splinterist threats posted on a Democratic message board.

[mike_c]

13. exactly-- the OP spams the forum with unwanted snide and ineffective polling....

What a terrible waste of electrons.

[LoZoccolo]

15. And you keep kicking it by complaining that it shouldn't be here.

lol

[redqueen]

20. I like that it's being kept near the top.

It's frickin hilarious.

[Bonobo]

24. I agree. If it was up to me, Lozo's posts would be pinned to the top.

I believe in the old sunlight/mold analogy or light/cockroach analogy.

Plus, it's fucking hilarious.

[LoZoccolo]

26. Talk to mike_c about that then.

He doesn't think that I should post that Chavez lost his cool and started lashing out at the people who he's going to have to then turn around and ask to vote for his resubmitted referendum!

[Bonobo]

29. You should post it. ("But it puts the lie to your dictator cry.")

[burythehatchet]

31. I agree. Cockaroaches should be exposed to the light, but

if the poster has no ability to feel shame, like a cockaroach, then what?

[redqueen]

39. The obsessiveness can still serve as a warning to others.

"This can happen to you, too, if you lose all sense of perspective."

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[LoZoccolo]

53. Ask me nicely. n/t

[Bonobo]

7. To quote a wise man: "Dooga Dooga Dooga". Here's a video by the OP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xOdATCFM30

[LoZoccolo]

8. lol!

What Nader accomplished was a "piece of shit defeat", however.

[burythehatchet]

32. I might register at Youtube just to leave a comment

Never mind, plenty of other folks said what I needed to say in the comments section.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

46. Yes, the comments said it all

Not only pointlessly and childishly taunting a person who is exercising his Constitutional rights, but thinking that it's worthy of video footage.

Vintage "Hoof."

[madokie]

49. thats a must see huh

:sarcasm:
so telling

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

9. If this is true

""If the people collect the signatures, the reform can be submitted for a referendum again.""

I knew it, a power hungry bastard is a power hungry bastard, even if you agree with the ends..

[fascisthunter]

10. Desperate Flame Baiting

I get it... you hate the man and can't stand the defenders of the man. No amount of spin is going to change that. Especially from CNN

[LoZoccolo]

12. I think that this poll is an important statement about...

...how to win friends and influence people, by calling what they do a "piece of shit", lol.

[mike_c]

16. using polls as "statements" is intellectually dishonest, at best....

eom

[LoZoccolo]

18. What polls are acceptable, in your eyes?

It isn't the least bit informative to know what people think about trying to persuade people by calling what they do a "piece of shit victory"?

[LoZoccolo]

21. Socrates was intellectually dishonest when using his Socratic method!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method

It should be considered bad to ask questions to try to prove a point!

[High Plains]

55. The poster knows all about how to win friends and influence people.

[donheld]

17. Yes it's Flamebait at it's worst

:spank:

[redqueen]

19. ZOMG! CHAVEZ!!!!!1!!!ELEVENTY-ONE!

[AlCzervik]

22. Chavez, Chavez chavez, i made you out of clay, Chavez, Chavez, Chavez you make LoZoccolo's day!

[LoZoccolo]

23. lol

:thumbsup:

[TahitiNut]

25. It'd be interesting to have a verbatim transcript in Spanish with word-for-word translation.

It amazes me how gullible people are repeatedly sucked in by the corporate media.

[fascisthunter]

27. Even After it's Proven

Yeah... amazing.

[LoZoccolo]

28. He meant to say "clump of fertilizer".

He was gracious in his defeat, saying that this step is part of what makes the grassroots grow, lol.

[UTUSN]

34. To #25: Here's a Spanish language report, with a verbatim translation as you asked

There is no need for it, since the English language translations in the media reports are CORRECT.

But this is to give Huguito's supporters EVERYTHING they demand. Like all good flamers, they will not accept any answer except as it validates what they want to hear. They demand this link or that link. They ask the same question repeatedly & won't accept the answer. They misdirect, they allege, they change the subject and constantly go on the offensive---starting with attacking the media sources, then picking at personal characteristics they attribute to their enemy posters.

So here a verbatim translation, just because they asked for it. So, now, just WHO is this "Jaime L. Garcia" reporter?! For SURE he is a DLC/freeper/wingnut/NeoCon/CIA-plant!1

*******QUOTE*******

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2007/12/06/internacional/1196897757.html

DESMIENTE QUE FUERA PRESIONADO PARA RECONOCER LA DERROTA
He denies having been pressured into acknowledging his rout/loss

Chávez califica de 'victoria de mierda' el triunfo de la oposición

Chavez qualifies as 'victory of shit' the triumph of the opposition


El presidente salió a desmentir que fue presionado para reconocer su derrota en las urnas
The president emerged to deny that he was pressured into acknowledging his loss at the ballot boxes

Chávez afirma que volverá a intentar que se apruebe su proyecto antes de 2013
Chavez affirms he intends his project to be approved before 2013

JAIME L. GARCÍA
CARACAS.- El presidente de Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, calificó este miércoles como una
The president of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, qualified this Wednesday as a

"victoria de mierda" el triunfo de la oposición en el
"victory of shit" the triumph of the opposition in the

referéndum del domingo pasado, cuando su reforma socialista a la Constitución fue rechazada por
referendum of last Sunday, when his socialist reform to the Constitution was rejected by

el 50,7% del país.
50.7% of the country.

"Sepan administrar su victoria, porque ya la están llenando de.
Would that they should know how to administer their victory, because already they are filling it

mierda. Es una victoria de mierda y la nuestra,
with shit. It is a victory of shit and ours,

llámenla derrota, pero es de coraje", dijo Chávez. ....
call it a rout, but it is of (from) anger," said Chavez.

El presidente venezolano empleó una metáfora sobre los escudos de armas que adornan Fuerte
The Venezuelan president used a metaphor touching on the coats of arms that adorn Fuerte

Tiuna, la mayor base militar del país, y señaló que a veces estos emblemas tienen una especie de
Tiuna, the major military base of the country, and pointed out that sometimes they have a kind of

herrumbre: "Y eso tiene dos componentes: sangre y mierda.
rust: "And that has two components: blood and shit.

Toma nota (Hernán) Lugo Galicia -dijo aludiendo al periodista del diario 'El Nacional'
Take note, Lugo Galicia - he said, alluding to the reporter for the daily El Nacional'

que escribió el reportaje- porque lo tuyo es esto último,
who wrote the reportage - because yours is this last,

mierda". ....
shit.

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[TahitiNut]

40. TahitiNut's Translation: "Shit Happens"

Well, I've seen more political bullshit on ALL sides than would allow me to disagree. :shrug:

[UTUSN]

41. Gawsh, now I wish I hadn't worked so hard on that post. n/t

[TahitiNut]

42. Actually, I very much appreciated it and read it carefully.

Don't let my agnostic stance be interpreted as disinterest. I'm merely dismissive of the DU internecine pissing contests regarding some deification/demonization of the PERSON (and of those unsubscribed to the dogma) which are typically devoid of sober contemplation of the serious Venezuelan cultural and social conditions to be addressed and the "art of the possible" in addressing them.

[UTUSN]

30. Oh yaas, it's flamebait to quote Huguito & show the falsity of his "graciousness" but if

his supporters post thread after thread glorifying him, THAT's "truth"!1

[redqueen]

35. ZOMG! WON'T ANYONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!?!!!??!?!?!!!

[burythehatchet]

33. How do YOU get to vote in Venezuela????

[Lilith Velkor]

36. They won't stay home and sulk like they did when he was re-elected

If they hadn't, they probably wouldn't have to be dealing with his commie ass now.

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37. ....

hmmm

[Lilith Velkor]

38. Something on your mind?

[frylock]

43. who won the 1969 world series?!!

commie ass!! :rofl:

[redqueen]

44. It's true! He's a communist and a dictator!

And an UNGRACIOUS one, to boot!

[Lilith Velkor]

45. I have a commie ass

Wanna kiss it?

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[redqueen]

48. Kick for more discussion. (nt)

[LoZoccolo]

50. Here is video of the "piece of shit victory" speech.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=emsfxsTLCzk