The Emperor is Wearing White Hooded Robes:KO Calls Lou Dobbs on His Racist Attacks Against Immigrant

[McCamy Taylor]

“The truth can never be told so as to be understood and not be believed”
William Blake, The Marriage of Heaven and Hell

We all know the story about the Emperor who bought himself a pair of clothes so fine that no one could see them. No one would admit to this, of course, because everyone else claimed to be able to see them, and if everyone else said “Those clothes sure look fine!” then they must be some good looking duds. However, one child, too innocent and fearless to care what anyone else thought about him piped up “He’s naked!”

Keith Olbermann is much too old to be innocent, but he has taken FDR’s motto “We have nothing to fear, but fear itself" to heart.

Who was the television journalist who said of the administration back on May 26, 2005 “That’s beyond shameful. That’s treasonous” at a time when the rest of the corporate media was just beginning to test the waters of the DSMs, Jeff Gannon and a few other scandals---you know, in the pre-Katrina, pre-warrantless wiretap days?
Answer: KO, when the administration tried to do to Newsweek what it had done to Dan Rather, over the Koran in the toilet at Gitmo story.

http://www.grandtheftelectionohio.com/050518.htm

Who is the network TV news show host who started calling the War in Iraq a civil war before his own network lead the way in calling it a civil war? KO.


Which network news anchor has finally pointed out that the anti-immigration Emperor, Lou Dobbs is wearing white hooded robes just like those favored by the KKK?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4VbpvkfO8o

OLBERMANN: He sounds passionate about immigration, the way, say, Senator Joe McCarthy was passionate. But actually it`s hypocritical. ….In other words, weeknights, Lou Dobbs threatens illegal immigrants, and on weekends, he pays them to clean up after his daughters` horses. So, Lou, get serious one way or the other. Drop your racism, thinly disguised as warnings and threats about illegal immigrant, or get your daughters and money out of a sport that could not exits without them. Better still, why don`t you go clean up the 40 tons of poop a day yourself. On TV, you seem pretty good at shoveling it.

It is so good to see someone on television who is not afraid to call racism racism. Never mind that Latino immigrants are not really members of a different race. They are of European and Native American ancestry, which means that racially they are exactly the same as millions of United States citizens whose ancestors were Europeans and Africans who married Native Americans and so have the prominent nose, wide jaw and brow that are so characteristic of North American Whites and Blacks. The political forces which are attempting to use anti-immigration as a wedge issue are groups like the KKK and the NeoNazis, and they are using the traditional language and methods of racism, as I recently documented in two of my journals, When Does it Become Fascism? and "Most of these bastards molest girls under age 12": Anti-Immigrations Dark Underbelly of Racism.

So far, Democrats have been hesitant to call the anti-immigration forces on their racist tactics, most likely for fear of alienating members of their own base who may have anti-immigration feelings for economic reasons, i.e. fear of being forced out of low paying jobs. This has allowed the spokesmen for the movement the freedom to talk about security and economics on national television while they talk about racial and ethnic purity to select audiences of bigoted Republicans and Independents. On national television they call for changes in the law. On talk radio, the same people call for vigilante style violence. The members of the corporate media seem unwilling or afraid to call them on their tactics—perhaps because anti-immigration is perceived as “Republican” issue, and they do not want to give the appearance of taking a political stance.

However, anti-immigration is not a political issue too sacred to one party to be criticized. As it exists in the United States right now, it is a hate issue which is fueling a rise in hate crimes which are being directed at people of Hispanic origin (legal residents as well as undocumented) at the urging of its leaders who advise their followers to murder, rob and harass Latinos. It is an economic issue that is being used to bust unions (if you are interested, I have more in my journal entry "You're never strong enough that you dont need help" Why business wants you to fear the Latino ) and to supply a scapegoat for our current economic crisis which owes much more to the greed and ineptness of the Bush administration, the Republican Congress and the corporate world than it does to low paid Latino workers.

It is an un-American as you can get, since our nation was founded on the principle that we are all created equal, and this is supposed to be the land of opportunity for immigrants, as long as they are willing to work hard.

Once again, KO deserves to be congratulated for going out on that very slender limb and declaring what we all can see----something is rotten in the state of the United States. This time it is open racist rhetoric (and actions) being directed at people whom we have invited in to work for us in menial jobs for pittance wages. We would not tolerate bigots standing before a crowd or broadcasting messages on radio or TV to declare that Blacks or Jews or Asians carry disease or dumb down schools or rape nuns or use drugs or need to be lynched for the good of the country.

So, why is KO the only mainstream media figure so far to have challenged the anti-immigration movement on its racism against the Latino immigrant? I guess because he is the only one does not live his life in fear.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uxJk7m6PIA&feature=related ( from Strictly Ballroom)

[marmar]

1. "So, why is KO the only mainstream media figure so far to have challenged ...."

KO is the only mainstream media figure to have challenged a lot of things.

[notanotherday]

2. I like Lou and KO, but I think KO has a point.

Lou has been labeled a racist, and it is not fair, nor accurate. He is the only one out there that does cover the un-covered topic of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS that come here to do jobs nobody HERE will do because the employers EMPLOY them at illegal wages and practices.

Lou is right, but he needs to use a more narrow brush to paint his canvas. It is not just the illegals fault, but it is also our own system that allows the illegals to come in as second class invisible citizens that do work here illegally by employers looking for cheap labor.

So, in KO example, if his daughters horse club is using illegals, then Lou is aiding the very problem he is hoping to stop.

[EFerrari]

3. Yes, he is a racist. A big fat one. Amy Goodman did an interview

with him, and she exposed the fact that he gets his material AND HIS GUESTS from hate groups.

There is no doubt. The man peddles hatred.

[notanotherday]

11. I heard that interview with Amy and Lou, and Amy had her facts wrong.

Although I have much respect for Amy and listen to her show every day, that interview she did was making her look extremely bad.

Lou was not defending any racist organization, and in fact said so. The people that Amy brought up that had been on his show where from years ago, and Lou agreed that those groups are racist.

However, Amy kept the discussion to try to taint and label Lou as a racist and failed. She did not do herself or her listeners any good by trying to drive her agenda, which is wrong for her to do, unless she wants to be tainted as a biased journalist.

Amy had a great opportunity to discuss the issue of illegal immigration but took the hour long interview into making a issue of some racist groups or other that had been on Lou Dobbs show years ago.

[EFerrari]

12. No, Amy didn't have her facts wrong. Neither did Juan.

And Dobbs repeatedly tried to minimize their rock solid findings. As you are doing.

This may not be the best place to defend the CCC.

[LanternWaste]

14. If Amy was wrong, I don't understand why Dobb's kept insisting...

If Amy was wrong, I don't understand why Dobb's kept insisting, "I misspoke..." when confronted with her 'erroneous' facts...

[EFerrari]

15. He misspoke. He learned better. It was only a second of airtime

and Amy was doing "gottcha" journalism.

Yeah, right. Amy Goodman is one of this country's most respected journalists.

She wasn't wrong.

Here's a link to the Wiki entry for the CCC -- the pool where Dobbs got most of the guests that he allowed her to name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Conservative_Citizens

I won't link to the CCC because I respect DU too much to do such a thing.

[LanternWaste]

22. I should have placed a sarcasm tag

I should have placed a sarcasm tag as I certainly don't agree with Mr. Dobbs on the immigration issue... at all. (My g/f is what a lot of people call an 'illegal'... and I'll be damned if I let people objectify or demonize her).

Anyway, I know that you yourself work tirelessly on DU for a better understanding of the issue of immigration and its racist undercurrents. So allow me (if I may) to take this opportunity to say: I applaud you for your work and your positions.

There are a handful of DU posters that I look forward to reading when I see one of their posts, and you Madame/Sir are in the top five of that list...

:hi:

[EFerrari]

24. Sorry to be strident. It's been a long Bush seven years.

:hi:

[blondeatlast]

40. Y'know, another year or so under the covers doesn't sound like such a bad idea...

:rofl:

[EFerrari]

42. LOL!

I needed that!

lol

[Robert Oak]

54. Democracy Now did a hit piece

I read that too and wasn't that just embarrassing???? They complain about accurate journalism and simply pulled a Bill O-Reilly on Lou Dobbs. Very embarrassing.

[EFerrari]

58. Right. They exposed his sources. How embarassing. For him.

[Robert Oak]

61. sure

over talking someone and interrupting them and not letting them cite anything is really some objective journalism. As I said, completely embarassing. My trust in Democracy Now just went way down for that one. On top of it's a well known US Chamber of Commerce/SEIU/La Raza agenda item to attack Lou Dobbs and it's pretty lame and also shows how they (you maybe) don't have any factual talking points to stay the case. Keep going with this one, all that is happening is more and more people are completely feed up with this rhetoric. What's even more pathetic is there are some real talking points in terms of worker exploitation but lord knows those won't be brought up.

[EFerrari]

85. Then you haven't read the thread I developed on the distruption

of democracy in Latin America in the latino group. There's your immigration problem.

And, when I watched that interview, it was Dobbs interrupting Juan and Amy.

That you chose to ignore the facts doesn't make them go way. Sorry!

[midlife_mo_Jo]

69. I thought the interview made her look VERY bad

I listen to her podcasts probably three or four times a week, but her tarring Lou Dobbs by association with a few wingnuts from interviews years ago three years ago was just a cheap shot. I lost a lot of respect for her. It was cheap and dirty journalism, and will make me suspect of her future journalism.

Lou Dobbs has been right on outsourcing and illegal immigration. Gee, nobody here minds when he talks about corporate outsourcing. Well, American citizens are losing jobs to immigrants who come here. I grew up in a family of blue collar workers - construction workers to be exact. Now, even if you're willing to work on a crew around here for low wages , if you don't speak Spanish you're not likely to get hired. You can't get hired in a lot of doctor's offices around here if you don't speak Spanish.

Since when have construction jobs and receptionist jobs become jobs that Americans are "unwilling to do?" Since when do Americans lose out to receptionist jobs because they don't speak Spanish?

That's bullshit.

If you're not for open borders, you are now considered a racist. Big boo hoo. Well, democrats are going to pay a price. Democrats should have this election in the bag, but folks are tired of being called racists because they want to protect their livlilhoods.

This is NOT the same as the Chinese immigrants or Irish immigrants being discriminated against. They had whole oceans separating them from their former country. It was do or die. Now, we have employees of "border states" requiring more and more workers to speak Spanish, as more and more Spanish speakers cross the border.

Well, let me tell you how those people who are losing jobs are going to vote. It 's not going to be for the party whose members are calling them racists.

And that's really sad, because this election shouldn't even be close. We should win by a landslide with this fucking war.

And just for the record, my husband works in IT so we are well aware of the hits his friends have taken due to outsourcing, and wondering when he'll be next, so I have a good idea how it feels to look at the job market and get scared.

[EFerrari]

72. Tarring him by ASSOCIATION?

lol

He went to hate groups, over and over, for everything from his guests to his graphics to material he quoted. I guess all of that was just an ACCIDENT.

You, for some reason I don't even want to explore, manage to generalize his hatred to your personal situation.

Holy cow.

[midlife_mo_Jo]

77. He used people from sources which were obviously hate groups

HOWEVER, once those sources became known, he didn't seem to go back to them.

My own personal situation? I'm not looking for a construction job or receptionist job or any other of the other jobs that Americans are losing.

I can open my eyes and see what is happening around me, however.

It's just pure bullshit that if you're not for open borders, you're a racist on this site.

Never mind that a good third of my family is from South America - Venezuela, to be exact.

[LiberalHeart]

80. I'm with you on this ...

It's mighty offensive to be called a racist for a point of view that has nothing to do with race. It's ugly, and very disappointing coming from fellow liberals.

[EFerrari]

83. Please explain to me how you or I could go back repeatedly

to a hate group for talking points, graphics and guests without knowing what we're doing?

The SLPC has them listed as a hate group, Dobbs acknowledged consulting with SLPC. And, he kept going back to them anyway.

You know what's really ugly? Seeing DUers defend poisonous race baiting.

[EFerrari]

82. You're wrong. Yes, he did go back to them. He's still going back

to them.

And this thread hasn't addressed the border issue so, why are you dragging that in? Being against open borders only intersects with racism when racists do. I don't believe open borders are workable.

And, being from Venezuelan extraction doesn't give you a badge. My family comes from the oligarchy in El Salvador. From the same people who mass murdered inditos for hundreds of years. I expect no medal for that. Please.

[countryjake]

79. He used that CCC graphic only a little over a year ago...

and if you think that Lou Dobbs represents anything that is in the interest of blue collar workers in this country, you need to study up on the struggles that our working class fought to earn the rights and conditions that are now taken for granted by all.

The right-wing tactics that Dobbs employs does absolutely nothing to safe-guard any workers' jobs, but instead weakens and dilutes any power that we might actually be using to fight our government's lack of concern for the hits working people have taken as the economy crumbles around us.

A united working class, in ALL sectors, and solidarity with EVERY single person who sells their labor here is the one solution that Dobbs would never ever dare present, exactly because he is a tool of a government which knows that keeping us divided and blind is the only way that they can maintain this system and continue to rake in enormous profit off our backs and sweat.

[pegleg]

39. Lou's wife is Hispanic. Being against illegal immigration certainly

does not make one racist. Some people still feel like fighting to preserve American jobs. The system has been gutted and shipping jobs out of the country while at the same time bringing in low-wage workers make absolutely nosense. Lou Dobbs has a huge following, myself included. There was a time when the democratic party supported the American worker. I really don't think they have a position now.

[EFerrari]

43. Before you admit to "following" him in public

you might want to do some research.

This isn't about supporting American workers v. undocumented workers. This is about using horrible slimey racist material to resolve the problem. Or, not to resolve it because then Lou would have nothing to say.

Lou Dobbs has been outed as a racist. His interest is not "the American worker". His interest is in hyping hatred to boost his ratings.

[pegleg]

51. So you say. This certainly is about jobs.

[EFerrari]

60. No, it's not what I say. This horrible slime has been outed

for using hate groups for his material and for booking his guests.

You may be okay with that.

[pegleg]

68. What a bunch of crap! You are trying to paint anyone who challenges

illegal immigration as a racist.

[EFerrari]

84. No, I'm referring to the facts of Dobbs' program.

So, trying to make this about me is just silly.

[DeanDem10]

86. saw the Amy Goodman interview

And Dobbs was a piece of work. Did you notice how he modulated his body language and voice to appear more acceptable to Goodman's audience. But content-wise, Amy and Juan really trounced him.

[Richard Steele]

4. Dobbs deliberately spews racist nonsense whenever it serves his own interests (rating$).

So, whether or not calling him a RACIST is accurate,
it is entirely FAIR.

[EFerrari]

7. Omg, did you see Amy and Juan's segment with him?

The banality of evil on a skateboard! I put a link to the transcript below. :wow:

[Richard Steele]

33. Yup. I tivo'd that one, and watched it the next day. nm

[Richard Steele]

66. hehe- Sweetie is watching it right now. nm

[spoony]

81. And I'm sure KO going after competition has nothing to do

with self interest or ratings, right?

[Cyrano]

6. Seems to me that the Pilgrims were also illegal immigrants.

[EFerrari]

8. It's only illegal when other people do it, especially when they're

those brown terra-ists.

[EFerrari]

5. For anyone who missed it, here is the link to Goodman's segment on Dobbs.

http://www.democracynow.org/2007/12/4/fact_checking_dobbs_cnn_anchor_lou

[AuntPatsy]

9. Why can't we have more like him getting such airtime?

[UTUSN]

10. K&R #1

http://notexasborderwall.com/

[Romulox]

13. Just another to smear--Anyone who doesn't support cheap-labor/agribusiness is a "racist"

Illegal immigrants are used by big business and unscrupulous politicians to pummel the native born working class.

Anyone who objects is called a "racist". It's not very sophisticated, but it's enough to chill a great deal of discussion.

[McCamy Taylor]

16. ADL has pages and pages of racist spewings by anti-immigration forces.

http://www.adl.org/civil_rights/anti_immigrant/da_king.asp

It is clear that when the mostly Mexican mob illegally ‘migrates’ into our nation, it brings with it the culture of lawlessness and chaos that is responsible for the very conditions that they flee in the rapidly deteriorating example of Democracy without the rule of law that is Mexico.” Commenting on Hispanic immigrants in a May 2004 article, King asked, “Must the United States silently suffer the incursion of one million people a year because they are brown?”

Dallacroce echoes the anti-immigrant themes of a “mass invasion” of unintelligent, disrespectful, conspiratorial criminals while targeting her message to women and families. She focuses on immigration as a threat to American children and denigrates the values of immigrant families, branding immigrant children as “dumb” and violent.

Gheen also inflames anti-immigrant sentiment by falsely asserting that foreigners bring disease into the nation. During a June 2007 radio interview, he said, “We've got bedbugs back in all, almost all of our 58 states. We've got TB on the rise, we've got hepatitis, we've got HIV, we've got diseases like Chagas disease, which is a horrifying disease, but also, much like TB, is very, very difficult to treat at all, and it's coming in because of the, the lack of enforcement of our immigration laws and, and the end result is Americans are suffering, Americans are dying.”

“illegal immigration is creating a crisis of lawlessness and has led to a massive underground criminal element that feeds off human trafficking and drug running. Illegal immigration is inundating our borders with mountains of garbage. And illegal immigration is undermining American culture and threatening our future.”

Representing Iowa in the United States House of Representatives, Congressman Steve King* (R-IA) has characterized immigrants – both legal and undocumented – as criminals and disease-carriers. He has spoken alongside leaders of border vigilante groups and advocates a border “wall” topped with electrified wire to stop what he has called a “slow motion Holocaust” of undocumented immigration into the United States. King addressed the House of Representatives and asserted that undocumented immigration “a slow-rolling, slow-motion terrorist attack on the United States.” He suggested that because undocumented immigrants comprise 28% of the prison population, “28 percent of the murders, 28 percent of the rapes, 28 percent of the violence and the assaults and battery, first- and second-degree murder and also manslaughter attacks are committed by criminal aliens.”

And be sure not to miss the chilling video on the last page in which the self styled medical lawyer Madeleine Cossman declares that Mexicans rape children of both sexes under the age of 12, as well as nuns.

Most of this is not intended for general public consumption--not yet, so we should thank the folks at the Anti Defamation League for recognizing the early signs of a conspiracy to create a racist movement when they see one.

Lou Dobbs is the businessman's best friend, because he makes undocumented workers live in fear of racist attacks/discrimination from US citizens, police, teachers, medical workers---this makes them afraid to join unions and makes them even more willing to accept lower than minimum wage jobs and substandard working conditions. Lou Dobbs may pretend to be the friend of the US worker, but he has only the interest of the corporate elite at heart.

[EFerrari]

17. Yes, we should thank them. Because hatred is not a solution

to the immigration problem. It only distracts us and doesn't effect positive change.

It doesn't help American workers competing with slave undocumented labor and it doesn't help the workers who come here to try to feed their families.

[McCamy Taylor]

18. It is sad that it took a World War--WWII--for the US to resolve its differences.

During WW II, suddenly it became policy to pay Blacks and Women equal wages for equal labor. And it became federal policy to prosecute lynching, too. After the war, the anti-Communists tried (with some success) to roll back the civil rights gains under guise of stopping the Reds, but once people get a taste of freedom, they do not like to give it up.

I hope that we do not have to have a crisis for people in this country to start pulling together again.

[EFerrari]

19. I don't see anyone standing up against the continuing theft of black votes

and I don't see anyone standing up for working people.

We have a problem here. Undocumented workers are natural allies of the Democratic base. If the Democrats don't stand up for this, we're in big trouble.

If we continue to let BuchCo exploit these people, we aren't far behind. If we continue to allow BushCo to scapegoat these people, we're next in line.

The illegal part of this issue is a red herring for the economic gain BushCo gets at all our expense. And the human rights violations will be turned on us -- that always happens. American citizens always get caught up in this stuff.

:shrug:

[McCamy Taylor]

21. Polls show its not a big issue among Dems, so Dem leadership would have to do it for altruistic

reasons, and maybe they are too caught up in the "win, win, win" election year mentality to think about what should be done.

[EFerrari]

26. And ignoring this, letting this issue get ahead of them, is a mistake.

I'm watching with something like horror that we're regressing to before the civil rights movement. That isn't healthy for this society. It isn't just and it isn't workable.

Not stepping up and dealing with this new nativism will bite the Democrats, apart from being morally wrong.

[KharmaTrain]

38. Beautifully Stated

This is class warfare as much as it is racist. This wedge issue was manufactured to divert attention away from Iraq and other boosh regime scandals and give them and their corporate buddies cover as they exploit undocumented workers not illegal aliens.

Lou Doobies plays a TV populist...a Howard Beale wannabe and this issue is his meal ticket. It diverts attention from the corporate coruption his Wall Street buddies are pulling on the middle class. Remember his "corporate coruption scoreboard"? I sure haven't seen an update on that lately.

As usual, you state with passion what's at the core of this issue.

Cheers...

:toast:

[EFerrari]

41. Yes! It is class warfare. They only trot out racism as a cushion.

If they can get us all focused on "those people", we won't be as focused on the way our civil rights are being eroded. Or how the economy is being stacked for their cronies.

Look over there! This tactic is so old, you'd think we'd know better by now.

[Romulox]

28. Shall I post some quotes from George Bush to impugn the character of pro illegal immigrant forces?

I acknowledge that hate groups exist, and I oppose them. But what you are engaging in is guilt by association, which cuts both ways. The biggest supporters of amnesty are multinational corporations and George Bush.

Shall I post some quotations from George Bush to impugn the character of pro illegal immigrant forces? No, because it would be unfair and dishonest.

"Lou Dobbs is the businessman's best friend, because he makes undocumented workers live in fear of racist attacks/discrimination from US citizens, police, teachers, medical workers---this makes them afraid to join unions and makes them even more willing to accept lower than minimum wage jobs and substandard working conditions. Lou Dobbs may pretend to be the friend of the US worker, but he has only the interest of the corporate elite at heart."

This doesn't make sense. Businesses have no trouble violating US labor law as it is. Nothing to stop them from hiring scabs, especially when there are a fresh supply of desperate people arriving daily...

[treestar]

20. Big business has the money to get legal immigrants

The trouble and expense and time it takes to get a legal immigrant as an employee is way too much for any employer to hire one when there's a US citizen available and willing.

The economic arguments against immigration can all be answered. Nothing is left but that certain elements just don't want people who are new and different, even if it actually were to hurt them economically.

The economic arguments against immigrants all show an incredible naivete about how the economy works. It's as if every time someone else gets a job, that hurts you. Well, it doesn't. The more other jobs there are, the more likely there is going to develop another job that fits you.

It is amazing to me to see people on DU even actually advocating "drying up" jobs in this country - actually contracting the economy - to keep immigrants out. As if their jobs going away won't cause other jobs to lapse. You have to have a market for what you sell. And small and medium sized businesses can't stay in business if they don't make a profit. A huge restaurant chain, for example, can have losing stores in some places, made up for by bigger ones elsewhere. Anti-immigrant forces, if they had their way, would help big business, letting them control the job market even more than they already do.

[McCamy Taylor]

23. True. Immigrants often help local economies through spending, taxes.

Add in the fact that they are younger and have more kids and you can see who is going to be paying social security taxes in the decades to come to support all of us aging (mostly White) Baby Boomers. The immigrants and their (college educated) kids. They are what will prevent the graying of America.

[Romulox]

29. Just FYI--wages have been stagnant for 30 years...that's what this about. nt

[Ken Burch]

52. Fine. Undocumented immigrants are being exploited.

But this means they are VICTIMS, not the enemy. And it can't be moral just to kick them out. The solution really involves backing a radical change in Mexico and the other countries from where undocumented workers come, creating a decent distribution of wealth and political power so that people in those countries aren't left in the situation they face now, where they have to travel hundreds or in some cases thousands of miles to another country to do backbreaking labor because they simply have no other choice.

The answer isn't in acting like its worse for immigrants to be Hispanic than not.

The answer isn't in backing fascists like the Minutemen.

The answer is justice and hope.

[annabanana]

67. (way to much logic for this thread KB. . but thank you). . . . . .n/t

[Robert Oak]

57. yup, organized talking points

The Democratic party just issued the same talking points...anybody feed up with this who isn't open border is now a racist xenophobe.

That's all of the independents, where this is the #1 issue, 40% of all Democrats and pretty much all of the Democrats who are black from the polling...yup, almost the majority of the Democratic party are now just a bunch of KKK members according to this latest rhetoric and it goes without saying that the rest of the country of course is. Every damn day all they think about is hating some race...

why OMG, even the US citizens of Hispanic ethnicity are racist xenophobes for they overwhelmingly vote for border security too.

[twiceshy]

25. Not to be dense but how are Hispanics a different "Race"?

They are people with different ethnic origins namely Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, German, Native American (well maybe that's a different Race), as far as I know most of those listed above are European and therefore Caucasian in origin. This has nothing to do with race and everything to do with folks coming here from countries that won't fix their own damn problems. And by the way I am married to a Peruvian with Spanish, Italian, and Basque roots, Who knew? Little did I think I was getting married not only to a foreigner but also someone from an entirely different "Race" (not that I would have a problem with that - if she was hot).

[EFerrari]

27. We are a "race" just as Muslims are a "race".

It's the language of racism in this culture. I know people get tired of hearing me say this, but Houston, we have a problem. And it would be a good idea to deal with it instead of letting the racist Repuclics frame the debate.

[Romulox]

30. "Hispanic" is a LANGUAGE GROUP that has no specific ethnic component

Just more soft-headed thinking in that: anyone who disagrees with me is (by definition) a RACIST!!!1111!!!1!1!! :eyes:

[hansberrym]

31. Stop thinking! You are supposed to be so worked up by the charge of racism,

that you lose the ability to think. That is the purpose of the 10 minutes of hate.


If you continue to think for yourself, you just may be the worst person in the world.

[EFerrari]

35. Because there is no racism on Lou Dobbs.

Nice try.

On edit: I'd really like to know what it is about the grand old tradition of racism in America that some of you have such a hard time dealing with.

[McCamy Taylor]

45. Did you read the post or zero in because of the subject and post a canned reply?

To quote from the thread header above:

"Never mind that Latino immigrants are not really members of a different race. They are of European and Native American ancestry, which means that racially they are exactly the same as millions of United States citizens whose ancestors were Europeans and Africans who married Native Americans and so have the prominent nose, wide jaw and brow that are so characteristic of North American Whites and Blacks. The political forces which are attempting to use anti-immigration as a wedge issue are groups like the KKK and the NeoNazis, and they are using the traditional language and methods of racism, as I recently documented in two of my journals, When Does it Become Fascism? and "Most of these bastards molest girls under age 12": Anti-Immigrations Dark Underbelly of Racism."

Does that make it clear? Jewish people are not a race either, but that did not stop a lot of Europeans and Americans in the 1920s-40s from calling them a subhuman race and blaming all the ills that plagued humanity on them.

There does not have to be a difference in race involved for racist idiots to create a racist movement, because racism is not rationale and its proponents and followers are motivated 99.9% by raw emotion and less than 1% by reason.

[Robert Oak]

32. Attack Lou Dobbs agenda

Folks, this is an organized campaign by the US Chamber of Commerce, La Raza, the SEIU and other open border (and no, this is not just pathway to citizenship, it's full bore open border, no enforcement, guest worker Visas, no controlled immigration policy period, corporate cheap labor agenda) to attack Lou Dobbs because Lou Dobbs is becoming very popular and influential by reporting on this issue.

Seriously, this attack agenda is not Progressive, not Populist and most importantly sure is not Pro Labor actually. One needs to realize that the SEIU is all about members. They don't give a rats ass about national economics and I honestly think they are nuts...but the reality is they are picking up members from illegal immigration. So, while one might think they are pro labor, more and more they are pro member versus being pro US labor overall. Think about a union in cohoots with the US Chamber of Commerce...that at minimum should raise up an eyebrow to not take everything at face value here and really dig.

While one can debate the position and so on, one cannot argue that Lou Dobbs gives voice to Public citizen, the AFL-CIO, EPI and even David Sirota to amplify many middle class issues.

Don't let this planned, coordinated propaganda campaign work, there are so many corporate talking heads out there, please don't buy into this US Chamber of Commerce, corporate cheap labor agenda simply because you may not completely agree with Dobbs on illegal immigration component.

[EFerrari]

44. Check back on Lou Dobb's sources and then, get back to me. n/t

[McCamy Taylor]

49. Lou Dobbs does not speak for the AFL-CIO

The AFL-CIO speaks for itself here

http://www.aflcio.org/aboutus/thisistheaflcio/ecouncil/ec02272006e.cfm

Its policy says nothing about Latino immigrants being dirty, ignorant, criminal, stupid subhuman dogs who should be sent back home. Instead, it calls for all workers regardless of status to be paid fair wages, have safe standard working conditions, to be allowed to unionize. It calls for immigrant workers to be allowed a path to citizenship so that they will not form a rank of second class or serf workers. It calls upon the US to stop supporting governments that keep their citizens impoverished (which leads to unfair competition for jobs in third world countries and lack of markets for US goods).

The AFL-CIO recognizes the anti-immigrant hate movement for what it is--a divide and conquer strategy designed to get businesses a guest worker program that will supply them with low paid slave labor for decades to come---labor that will depress the wages of the US working class and depress our economy by cutting down the demand for consumer goods and eroding the tax base.

[Robert Oak]

53. he has never said that

and yes, he has had the AFL-CIO and more often, their research think tank, the Economic Policy institute many, many times. He is the only TV News journalist who has them on beyond CNBC to be used for canon folder on some absurd "debate" with a corporate lobbyist. Lou doesn't have the corporate lobbyists on.

[RamboLiberal]

34. Sorry, but I thought this time KO was out of line

If Dobbs had illegals on his horse farm to care for his daughter's horses then that is wrong and he'd be one helluva hypocrite. There's no proof of that.

Yes I would bet show jumping and horse racing are big employers of illegals. I would say Dobbs ought to investigate the show jumping industry on his show and if he should put his money where his mouth is and expose this! I'd like to give Dobbs the benefit of the doubt on this and see how he responds. It may have been unthinking on his part of how much the show jumping industry employs illegals. Perhaps he and his daughters don't when they attend the shows.

I like Dobbs and how he stands up for the middle-class. Is he over the top on immigration, yes, but I don't think he's racist. I don't like the idea of so many sneaking over the border to work here or of employers using them to keep wages low and keep unions out. And for the most part that is what Dobbs is saying. Yeah, he's gotten some questionable guests and he should be called on it every time he does.

But on this I'm with Dobbs. We need to get control of this problem. Bring in legally the guest workers we need and make employers comply to immigration and wage laws. Find an equitable way to citizenship for those who came here illegaly but lived by our laws.

[EFerrari]

36. So, you have no problem being associated with Dobbs

and his hate groups?

[951-Riverside]

48. sfexpat2000 you sure love race baiting

Yesterday you accused me of comparing Hispanics to insects, we both know I never said anything that even remotely implied that.

[Robert Oak]

56. Keith Olbermann, worst person in the world?

I thought the same thing. I mean that was such a stretch...let's see if I eat a cheeseburger made by an illegal does that make me an employer of illegals?

But, even worst was Olbermann used Dobbs children. He attacked Dobbs family and that, regardless is just simply very uncool. He should apologize.

[EFerrari]

59. When should you apologize for calling something by its name?

Hmmm?

[Robert Oak]

62. you mean Olbermann being the worst person in the world?

Yeah, I'm wondering when he will apply the same rules to himself, that's true.

[McCamy Taylor]

64. This is just plain silly. Dobbs was worst person for hypocrisy among other things.

His daughters and family were not worst persons. If Dobbs truly believes that undocumented workers bring leprosy and all manner of ills into this country, then what is he doing allowing his daughters anywhere near a place where they work? What kind of dad is he? And how dare he support an enterprise that supports the importation of leprosy? Even if his darlings beg him, he should say "It is for the public health of the country." If someone's daughters want to wear the skins of endangered species, they do not have an obligation to buy them for them, supporting poachers.

Do as I say and not as I do. That is the motto of many bigots, for it is surprisingly difficult to live a warm, satisfying life if you put into practice the hatred you preach.

[countryjake]

71. Yet it's okay by you that Dobbs attacks the children of people working in this country?

How many months did he spend last year ranting on his show about Saul Arellano? Dobbs thinks our Constitution needs to be changed to "amend" and qualify citizenship rights given to children born in this country, specifically to attack and threaten undocumented working people with families.

Dobbs needs to apologize for promoting and popularizing the derogatory term "anchor babies", dehumanizing thousands of innocent children all over our country!

[McCamy Taylor]

73. Dobbs is one of those loonies? Are you sure? They are considered extreme even in the South.

There are disturbing parallels between revoking the citizenship of a child born in the U.S. because of who his parents were and what they did and the crime of slavery, in which children were born and labeled the chattel of a master, because of who their parents were. Slaves were often blackmailed by their masters who would threaten to sell the children or harm them, if the slaves did not behave.

If Dobbs truly espouses this sick, sadistic, unAmerican philosophy, he is much worse than I thought.

If Dobbs has expressed views to show that he is opposed to this philosophy, someone please post his statements. We do not want to accuse him of something he has not done.

[countryjake]

76. Here's one of his daily "polls" from last year...

DOBBS: That brings us to the subject of our poll tonight. Do you believe the legal interpretation of the Constitution permitting citizenship to the children of illegal aliens should be challenged? Yes or no?


LOU DOBBS TONIGHT
November 20, 2006
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0611/20/ldt.01.html

You can read, not quite halfway down the page, an example of his "coverage" of such topics. Dobbs is insidious in his promotion of bullshit, using his "reporters" as cover to spread his poison, while being careful to not get caught blatantly uttering something he knows might be questionable. As the managing editor, he alone chooses what is reported and how those reports are presented and he is an artful dodger when it comes to pinning him down personally, on any of his "facts" or what he sees as a "solution" to the "problem" which his program harps on every single day. Just like he claimed during the Democracy Now! interview that he has "the greatest respect for illegal immigrants in this country" and dared them to come up with any proof of him ever saying anything different.

[EFerrari]

37. This is the organization that Dobbs went to, over and over

for material and for booking guests. You decide.

http://www.adl.org/special_reports/ccc/ccc_web.asp

[hansberrym]

46. This one?

Yeah some guests seem to have an overtly race based agenda but you can't blame Dobbs for the views of his quests.

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/lou-dobbs-interviews-la-raza-pres/964825763


Dobbs has had a lot of Neocons on his show as well and allowed them to state their case, but that doesn't make him a Neocon.

[EFerrari]

47. Go for it.

Lol! As a producer, I know the vetting process.

Try to make excuses for his booking all those guests connected with hate groups, over and over. If I did that, I'd be homeless by now.

[McCamy Taylor]

50. THIS CCC. Huckabee wouldn't have anything to do with them in 1994

April 4, 1994. The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette states that the Council of Conservative Citizens has invited Lt. Gov. Mike Huckabee to speak at an April 16 seminar. However, Huckabee soon discovers that another invited speaker is North Carolinian Kirk Lyons, a lawyer with intimate ties to the white supremacist movement and who specializes in defending various white supremacist and anti-government extremist activists. When asked about Lyon’s presence, Gordon Baum, "chief executive office" of the Council of Conservative Citizens, says "What’s that got to do with us?…We’re not the thought police." As a result, Huckabee declines to speak, saying that "I will not share the stage…with someone who thinks the Holocaust didn’t happen."

There is more, much more, all detailing the many scandals the group got into in the 1990s because of their ties to people like David Dukes and their opposition to interracial marriage and their open White supremest/ Anti Black / Anti Jewish agenda.

http://www.adl.org/mwd/ccc.asp

Then, in the 2000's then recycle the idea that helped the KKK gain millions of followers in the 1920s. They decide to focus their hatred on the immigrants. Suddenly, political respectability is within their grasp.

[DeanDem10]

87. The organization Lou Dobbs went to, over and over

That's a scary thought.

[icnorth]

55. Come, come now folks...

Old Lou is misunderstood, he's just trying to do his part to protect the country don't you know? Looking back over a century ago I visualize him now, resplendent in his war paint and headdress, at the Little Big Horn. There, in the cool evening, sparks wafting into the night air, he dances around the elder's council fire chanting and pounding his tom-tom. The next morning with great expectations he leaps upon his trusty steed and leads his charges into battle. Joined by those great independents Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse he beats the crap out of an army of invading illegal aliens.:sarcasm off:

Okay,the part about leaping on his trusty steed might be stretching credibility a bit. :)

[McCamy Taylor]

63. Who will scoop the trusty steads poop? No, wait, horse are illegals, too. They come from the Steppes

of Central Asia by way of Europe. He will have to ride a buffalo, if there are any left after they strip mine the entire west for coal. Or maybe a dolphin, since global warming will have put 25,000 square miles of U.S. land under water.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8RQKV7O0&show_article=1

Since so much of Mexico is mountainous

http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/mapmextopo.html

maybe if we beg them nicely, they will let us in when our own major cities are under water.

[dailykoff]

65. Dobbs is a shameless racist and demagogue

and knows exactly what he's doing and how to pretend he isn't. That wasn't hard to figure out from listening to him DN the other morning. But let's say his wife really is "hispanic" and Lou really loves "hispancics." So what? He's trying to make his audience hates "them" violently (and they do, let me tell you) for his own sick self-serving purposes and that's far worse than the garden-variety ignorance he's exploiting. It's insidious and evil.

[countryjake]

70. Wonder how long it will be now before Corporate Media dumps Keith?

It's simply grand to hear a mainstream show actually call out Dobbs on his "racism for ratings" tactics. Old Lou is in the business of drumming up division under the pretext of "saving the middle class", (after touting and singing praises of the ruling class for the past thirty years on CNN), to tighten and preserve that 1%'s grasp and power over the very people he pretends to care about.

He hobnobs with the obscenely wealthy by day, laughing about the gullibility of the masses, then spends his evening ranting and spewing policy that weakens working people in their struggle against big capital, destroying the solidarity and unity that is (and always has been) required to gain any rights for and improve the condition of the working class.

[Mutineer]

74. So has Olbermann checked his maid's green card?

Anyone that rich has to have someone on his payroll or someone who he encounters on a daily basis who is an illegal. Does that mean he's supporting illegal immigration? I'm sorry but I just had a logic problem with Olbermann's calling out Dobbs unless he had firm, concrete proof that somehow Dobbs (and his daughters) were in some way actually employing illegal immigrants. This was a little too thin to be soup.

[EFerrari]

75. No, not too thin at all considering the booking agency where

that old sweetie Lou gets his guests.

[McCamy Taylor]

78. Ummm....KO isn't trying to convince US that Latino immigrants are a filthy infestation

so he can not be accused of hypocrisy based upon his personal hiring choices.

The key word here is hypocrite as in this is what Dobbs is. It is what Romney is. It is what all these rich Republicans are who hire Latino undocumented to sit their kids and cut their grass and cook their food and pluck their chickens and pick their crops and work in their factories---and then try to score political points by claiming they are going to send all 6 million of them home.

Hey, I have a great propaganda idea for Romney, Dobbs and the rest of gang of hypocrites . They can claim they are hiring undocumented out of a sense of public obligation and charity to keep them from committing economic crimes if they are out of work. But they only hire them for low wage jobs, because they don't want to take a good paying job from a US citizen. Following that logic, we should all hire undocumented, then they would be too busy working to rape nuns and sell drugs or spread leprosy, and they would start making so much money that they would be able to pay for indoor plumbing and soon they would be just like the rest of us....