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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 04:03 PM Original message |
Bigotry towards Christians? Here's the thing |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
1. Is it bigotry when you have good reason? Or do I have to like people who hate me? |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 04:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. To go with the KKK example... |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 05:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. Poor babies! I get to use this one a lot lately: |
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frogmarch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 07:20 PM Response to Reply #14 |
35. Great image! |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 08:49 PM Response to Reply #14 |
56. It's a funny thing about the "War on Xmas" ...Christians waged the War on Solstice. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 04:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Enemies you never even met? Sounds like the basis of any hate crime |
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rAVES (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 05:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. What is Gook? |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 04:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Yeah like i got robbed by a black guy once so fuck those guys |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 06:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. Yep. That's it exactly |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 05:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. I believe it is the wholesale inclusion of all Christians that is the |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 06:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Well, we see so many cases of exactly that that are applauded on DU... |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-12-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #17 |
75. "Find" some new representation? |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-12-07 01:46 PM Response to Reply #17 |
76. I don't care of no one finds Jesus. I want people to be kind and |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 08:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
45. No, you're not. But if you go around saying fuck Christians, they all insane and hate me |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-12-07 12:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
74. I'm a Christian and I don't hate you... |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
2. Bigotry against fundie whackjobs who want to enslave women, |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
4. Blind hatred and depersonlization is not a virtue. |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 04:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Kicking for your reply |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
6. And Christian bigots are the worst by far... |
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warren pease (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
9. I'm not "bigoted" against fundies. I loathe them for very precise reasons... |
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salinen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 05:53 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. And I love your responce |
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warren pease (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 05:56 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Public domain; steal at will. n/t |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 09:05 PM Response to Reply #9 |
61. And how many of those kinds of Christian have you run into here? |
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warren pease (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 09:31 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. None that I'm aware of... |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 09:43 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. And I entirely agree. |
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warren pease (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-12-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #67 |
70. "I could PM you my recipe..." |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-12-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Check your inbox! |
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warren pease (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-12-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Got it... check yours... and thanks a ton n/t |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
11. I'm fed up with bigotry against poor and homeless people and that cuts across polical and |
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kineneb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 09:38 PM Response to Reply #11 |
65. hear, hear! |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 09:41 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Don't refrain--Rant ON!! |
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kineneb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 11:20 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. They won't understand until they, too, are poor... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-12-07 04:30 PM Response to Reply #69 |
78. You're soooo very right! That's why I don't bemoan the "fall of the middleclass". |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
13. Christianity is an institution. Like the Congress or the military. Like Capitalism or Socialism. |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 06:18 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Yes, but this is not an homogeneous thing here. There really isn't one flavor |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 07:21 PM Response to Reply #13 |
36. I agree. But only the critic knows to whom the general language is meant to apply |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 09:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
62. Which institution? |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
18. We also have to recognize that thinking certain beliefs are stupid is not bigotry |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 06:45 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. So where do the terms "sky daddy faerie tale nonsense" come into play in this? Are they |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 06:56 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. It certainly could be a legitimate critique |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 07:03 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. I have no problem with someone saying "I don't believe & here's why". But the words above offend |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 07:14 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. True, and that is why poor arguments are so easily dismissed |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 07:17 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. I'm not even interested in _having_ the debate. I don't own the "truth" nor do I insist on |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 07:30 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. And so you know I am not calling your beliefs stupid... |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 07:32 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. No, no. I wasn't feeling bothered by your posts at all. *hugs* As I said, thoughtful |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 06:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. Yep. "Intellectual bigotry" is an oxymoron; all ideas are not created equal. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 07:35 PM Response to Reply #26 |
40. The problem is you can't reliably tie all members of a diverse group to one set of ideas |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
21. fair enough. my concern is practical. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 07:11 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. People tend to allow their beefs to become overly generalized |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 07:18 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. the problem as I see it |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 07:38 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. That's an unrealistic expectation. Dogmatic adherence or renunciation aren't the only options |
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LaurenG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
22. I think you're talking about fanatics. |
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windoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
24. 'Christian oppression' meme |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 08:58 PM Response to Reply #24 |
58. We're not the ones crying oppression. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
27. It's not the Christianity.. |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
30. I have no problem with people who practice the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 07:16 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. There are no Paullian-Leviticans either, unless they're very selective |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 08:16 PM Response to Reply #32 |
48. Sure there are. Most people who identify as "Christian conservatives" |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 08:19 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. What I mean is they still wear poly-blends, have a shrimp or two, etc. |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 08:26 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. What always surprises me is the uniformity of belief, to be honest. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 08:30 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. They can't even hold effectively to the ten commandments. Let alone all Leviticus or Paul doctrine |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 08:48 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Sure. And you're right--they're wildly selective in the verses they tend to |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
39. Or bigotry against a person in a group by others in the same group. |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
42. Here's the thing about proselytizing, and why people find it offensive. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 07:58 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Hold on a moment. Comparing groups' ideas or ethics and siding with one oer the other isn't bigotry |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 08:05 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Well, I see your point, but |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 08:14 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. In this case "inferior" as a term is a bit subjective and belligerent. It's not a word I would use |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 08:31 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. Yeah, I agree, mostly. |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
46. I've met at least one person here who was actually proud of his bigotry |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
50. Think even broader. |
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hyphenate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 08:42 PM Response to Original message |
54. I don't consider my deep seated hatred |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 08:53 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Then we can take their stuff ... But who wants Thomas Kinkade crap? |
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hyphenate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 09:05 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. I certainly don't, either |
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kineneb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 09:44 PM Response to Reply #57 |
68. or crocheted toilet paper roll covers? |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-12-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #68 |
77. Ha ha. My grandma gave us one of those when I was a kid. |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 09:03 PM Response to Original message |
59. All religions are fucking stupid |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 09:11 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Preach it to 'em...that's the spirit...LOL |
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CT_Progressive (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-12-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #59 |
71. w0rd |
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