Are you ready to move to Canada yet?

[and-justice-for-all]

I am so sick of spineless cowards as reps!

Why are they so scared of the bush cabal? I do not get it, but I did not vote for them to NOT act appropriatly and responibly, I voted for them to end the madness and we got the complete opposite!

[BulletproofLandshark]

1. I've been ready for years.

But I don't have a college degree, and I've done nothing but factory work since I was 20 (11 years), so I don't think Canada would have much use for me. Besides, I would be heartbroken from missing my family in the States all the time.
It should be clear by now that the two-party system in our country may be irrevocably broken. We've been on this path ever since the Supreme Court ruled in favor of corporate personhood, and removed our country's destiny from the hands of its people.

[RC]

4. All you need to do is find a sponsor in Canada, they would be responsible for you.

So don't let that stop you. If you're not attached, most any dating service listing Canadians would be a start.

[Perry Logan]

2. Chill. The Democrats showed the highest Democratic unity score in 51 years.

"President Bush's success rating in the Democratic-controlled House has fallen this year to a half-century low, and he prevailed on only 14 percent of the 76 roll call votes on which he took a clear position.

"So far this year, Democrats have backed the majority position of their caucus 91 percent of the time on average on such votes. That marks the highest Democratic unity score in 51 years."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1728952&mesg_id=1728952
http://public.cq.com/docs/cqt/news110-000002576765.html

Don't let the media rhetoric fool you. The Democrats have acquitted themselves quite well--especially given their bare majority in both houses, and a relentlessly obstructionist Republican minority.

this 110th Congress has had more roll call votes this year than any
other Congress in history, almost doubling the number under the previous Congress overseen by Boehner
and House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL):
The House last week held its 943rd roll call vote of the year, breaking the previous
record of 942 votes, a mark set in 1978. The vote was on a procedural motion related to a
mortgage foreclosure bill. When the House adjourned on Oct. 4 for the long weekend, the
chamber had reached 948 roll call votes, putting Democrats on pace to easily eclipse 1,000
votes on the House floor in 2007.
Last year, the Republican controlled House held 543 votes, and for historical comparison,
the last time there was a shift in power in Congress, Republicans held 885 roll call votes in
1995. The Senate, which has held 363 votes this year, isn’t on pace to break any
records, but has already surpassed the 2006 Senate mark of 279 votes.
Much of the lack of progress can be traced back to obstructionism by conservatives. Approximately “1 in
6 roll-call votes in the Senate this year have been cloture votes,” noted a JulyMcClatchy report. “If this
pace of blocking legislation continues, this 110th Congress will be on track to roughly triple the previous
record number of cloture votes.”
It’s interesting that Boehner is criticizing the 110th Congress as doing nothing. After all, the House, under
his leadership, met for just 101 days during the second session of the 109th Congress, setting the record
“for the fewest days in session in one year since the end ofWorld War II.”

There are countless investigations going on. Healthcare is on the table. The internet is safe for now. Our wounded vets are no longer lying around in their own urine. The Senate Ethics Committee is back in action. Many 9/11 Commission recommendations are being passed. A bill to increase financial aid for colleges has passed--the single largest increase in college aid since the GI bill. The President's signing statements are being investigated. Legislation to restore habeus corpus has been approved. The Senate Armed Services Committee has passed legislation "that would grant new rights to terror suspects held at Guantanamo Bay. The unions have a voice in the government now—as do gays, women, and minorities. The environment has a fighting chance. The House passed the Taxpayer Protection Act, to protect taxpayers against "identity theft, deceptive Web sites and loan sharks." It also makes it "easier for taxpayers to retrieve property lost as a result of a wrongful Internal Revenue Service levy and directs the IRS to notify lower-income people that they qualify for the Earned Income Tax Credit." The House approved a bill spending $1.7 billion over five years for cleaner water. There's a new House committee devoted solely to addressing the issue of global warming. And so on.

[warren pease]

33. As usual, the devil's in the details...

And in this case, they've united far to often and far too obsequiously around some of the most horrible, BushCo-enabling legislation imaginable.

They've yet to kill Iraq/Afghanistan funding -- which could be done any number of ways, including just ignoring BushCo demands or refusing to let them come up for a vote.

They've managed to avoid taking any real action on impeachment, a process that about 70 percent of likely voters are salivating over.

They've managed to pass every single piece of BushCo's domestic repression agenda, the latest crime against the Constitution being pro-arms industry Rep. Jane Harman's pet project: HR 1955/SB 1959, which squeaked through the House by a 404-6 roll call vote.

But at least they affirmed Christmas and Christianity, so we stop wondering about all that complicated stuff.


And if the House under Pelosi and Hoyer weren't bad enough, the Senate is working overtime to demonstrate its loyalty to the BushCo junta. Just yesterday, Senator Dodd announced that he would filibuster against the leadership of his own party because Reid wants to give telecoms immunity for collaborating with the white house in an illegal domestic spying operation.

They passed the Lieberman-Kyl amendment across party lines by a 76-22 vote, affirming the ridiculous claims by Cheney et al that Iran poses a major threat to the US and that military options should be considered. This amendment is simply a compendium of recycled talking points from the pre-Iraq invasion propaganda, the main change being all "q"s replaced with "n"s, and designed to whip up another round of fear-based nationalism and war lust to support attacking yet another oil-rich country.

They voted 72-25 to censure MoveOn.org for opposing the Iraq invasion and subsequent occupation, proving that MoveOn's 3.2 million members are no match for 72 bloviating idiots who just can't contain their fear and outrage over the idea that the little people would try to circumvent their duly elected representatives and exercise a little power on their own.

Two democratic members of the Senate Judiciary Committee -- yes, you Chuckie and DiFi -- supported Gonzo II for AG, claiming this is the best we can expect from BushCo, as if that were reason enough to support a guy who couldn't/wouldn't define torture, nor admit the US condones and uses various torturous practices. They could have rejected him, the next Gonzo/Ashcroft clone, the next and down the line until BushCo either ran out of options or just decided the battle wasn't worth it and put up an actual qualified non-partisan (if such exists) AG nominee. But no... That would show disunity in a time of war and everybody knows The Commander Guy needs his own people in critical posts to support our troops and keep fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here and on and on and on and on...

And they've been getting much undeserved slack from so-called pragmatists for nearly a year now. So they raised the minimum wage. Is it a living wage yet, or just another half-assed gesture to keep the working poor from sharpening their pitchforks?

And how's that move to end government subsidies for big oil working out? Or the move to force drug companies to negotiate prices with the feds? Or, best of all, those ethics reforms? Feeling good about that first 100 hours side-show?

Funny; there's not a word about universal health care or offshoring jobs or supporting workers' rights to organize or outlawing private armies on US soil or repealing the patriot acts and military commissions act.

So I guess that democratic unity is a little overrated. It seems to show up only when there's an opportunity for a public display of true idiocy (the MoveOn.org censure; House support for christianity) or for another round of caving to the sleazy little autocratic dreams of The Decider.


So many outrages; so little bandwidth.

wp

[taterguy]

3. Hell no

Canada is filled with Canadians in case you didn't know

[RC]

5. And why is that a problem?

I find Canadians friendlier and more laid back than we are. The health care runs rings around anything we have down here. The exchange rate is nearly equal at the moment and is not in any danger of super inflation.

[taterguy]

6. Because they're Canadian

Do I have to spell it out for you?

[RC]

8. Yeah, ya do!

I find Canadians to be more caring and rooted in reality than we are. More civilized if you will.

[taterguy]

9. How civilized was the Ehringhaus incident?

Explain that to me smart guy

[MisterHowdy]

21. What is the Ehringhaus incident?

[taterguy]

22. How can you not know about the Ehringhaus incident?

Don't you ever read a newspaper?

[MisterHowdy]

23. I've never heard of it.

Really.
Tell me what it is, or give me a link pls.

[taterguy]

25. Would it kill you to just Google "Ehringhaus Incident"?

That's too much trouble. Let someone else do it.

Good luck in Canada.

They'll eat you alive.

[RC]

26. I don't think taterguy knows either.

Google references back to this thread and a simple mind game fraud scheme.

[taterguy]

27. Those damn Canadians have hacked into Google

What are they hiding?

[MisterHowdy]

29. Your probably right.

I've already googled it and nothing of interest comes up.

taterguy, did you have a traumatic experience with Canadians when you were young?

[taterguy]

31. My childhood is none of your goddamn business

If I wanted to bare my soul I'd go on the Doctor Phil show

[Double T]

7. I think it is time to start looking for ANOTHER PLANET.

Scottie, beam ME out of HERE!

[Flatline]

20. That's one thing that this human race are going to wait until

it's too late. We are going to milk this planet of everything and sit back when the earth changes it's pattern and becomes uninhabitable ans were going to sit there going OMG what to do!!!.....We NEED to colonize.

[michaz]

10. I live on the Canadian border. Canadians come here all the time

to shop and use our post office. They are friendly as can be.

[Orsino]

11. Moving that way.

I anticipate the day my taxes support a much less corrupt government, a real educational system, and the general welfare. Within a few years, I'll be "taking off." Ya hoser.

[flying_wahini]

12. my sister is already in BC and I would love to move there

but affordability is a real problem with the weak US Dollar....


her place has tripled in value in 5 years!

[tanyev]

13. Yep. I'm thankful every day for my Canadian husband.

I remember when we met back in 2000 and it was clear something serious was developing, I had a little nagging fear in the back of my head that he would want to move back to Canada someday. At the time I couldn't conceive of ever wanting to leave Texas. I guess that's one thing George Bush has done for me.

[PVnRT]

14. So, your response to what you see as cowardice is to run away?

Does not really compute.

[tavalon]

15. I think about it a lot these days

I'm a nurse so I could easily emigrate.

[ileus]

16. They're not skeert of the bush cabal, that house of cards has fallen.

[DFW]

17. I had better not. I have a bad track record with cold places

The last time I visited a country that cold in the winter,
the president drank himself to within an inch of his life,
and a main opposition figure was murdered in her doorway,
and that was during a 3 day stay!

I couldn't do that to my Canadian friends..........

[rug]

18. Hell no, I won't go.

[Township75]

19. oh, not this shit again...

after 2k, 2k2, and 2k4, we had to listen to so much shit about "i'm moving to canada", and no one goes anywhere.

don't waste DU's bandwidth. You'll be here until you die.

[leftchick]

24. they are certainly NOT spineless cowards

you give them way too much credit. They are complicit enablers in the destruction of our constitution and country for corporate profits and power. Period!

[Annces]

28. You need to show them that you are an economic boon for them

before you can become part of their country.

Also Paul Watson of the Sea Shepherd wrote that they have fascism with a velvet glove.

"Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms has a little thing called the "not-withstanding clause" that allows the government to ignore the rights and freedoms of a citizen if it is considered in the "public interest."

[SoCalDem]

30. I got a news-flash for ya.. Canada has strict standards regarding immigration

They protect their economic/social set-up, by closely monitoring who's allowed in and who is not..

The last thing they want or need is a bunch of sickly boomers looking for a free ride on their medical system, or a bunch of under-employed, low-skilled younger folks looking for a cheap education and a good job..

They have chosen to "save" the benefits of being a Canadian...for Canadians.

[Dave From Canada]

34. Yes. That's why the fact that there's a debate in America to fix ILLEGAL immigration confuses the

hell out of us.

[midlife_mo_Jo]

35. Yep, remember that when everyone praises Canada for how wonderful

they are.

They very carefully evaluate who they will let into their country.

Mean selfish bastards.


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[Adarlene]

32. You can move here...

I have been lurking on DU for quite some time and this thread made me want to tell you fine folks that you are certainly welcome up here! We have jobs, tons of jobs with no one to fill them (at least in the West -- BC and Alberta).
Here's the link:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/


Hope to see some of you in the future!

edited to add this link too:
http://www.working.canada.com/victoria/index.html]

[warren pease]

36. I want to live on Galiano or Gabriola Island...

...operate my one-person corporation from a home office overlooking the Georgia Straits and within ear-shot of those bone-chilling ferry whistles.

I want to develop new clients in BC while I continue to fleece (er, serve) my clients here in the US.

I want to get paid in Canadian dollars or Euros or whatever's kicking the dollar's ass that week and laugh all the way to the credit union or local bank.

I want my taxes to pay for things beneficial to me and the rest of the population instead of servicing the obscene US debt, enriching arms makers and merchants and lining the pockets of BushCo and its corrupt cronies.

I want to wave goodbye to American ignorance and celebrity worship and political apathy and our mass-media-induced national coma.

I want to watch Jesusland disappear in the rear-view mirror as the fundies hold hands and dance around burning piles of books and CDs and, eventually, witches if things keep up at the present rate.

I want to live where race and xenophobia aren't the automatic buttons to push when the right wing wants to motivate entire sub-groups of ignorant Neanderthals to vote for the most overtly bigoted candidate. In fact, showing a trend toward the exact opposite, the Canadian federal government actually saw fit to create a Truth & Reconciliation Commission to enumerate and address the outrages perpetrated colonialists on the people of Canada's First Nations (indigenous peoples).

I want to live in a country that can't, and doesn't even seem to want to be, a world power.

I want science to trump fundie loons; stem cell research to go full speed ahead; and alternative energy R&D to be subsidized, not penalized, by the tax code.

Finally, when my time is up, I want to be able to die with dignity rather than lying around on a urine-and-sweat-soaked, feces-stained mattress because I exceeded my lifetime benefits cap and couldn’t afford a hospital bed or even a hospice. And some version of that surely awaits me if I remain here in health care hell.

I should also mention that I'm seriously old (57) and not nearly rich enough to buy my way in via the investor category. So, given all that, you think I'd be a candidate for legal immigration to BC? There's always the illegal route, but spend my life waiting for the knock on the door at four in the morning doesn't sound all that great.

And welcome to DU, btw, adarlene.


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[Adarlene]

40. I used to live on Gabriola!

Thanks for the welcome waren peace...
Gabriola, indeed Nanaimo, is the most beautiful place on earth imo.
Was at a time in my life when I wanted to live simply and quietly.
Back when my son was a toddler. I chopped my own wood, conserved water (Gabriola has a shallow water table and water runs out by Sept in a dry year), smoked weed and did crafts.
But alas, I had to move back to the mainland, get back into the real world of my career and make money -- can't live on welfare forever LOL.
I really enjoyed being there tho and go back often to reminisce about my life as a 90's hippy.

Waren, did you check the link out? I don't know how easy/difficult it is to get here as I don't know anyone who has tried recently.

Reading what you folks say about the state of healthcare, retirement options, jobs etc. really makes me sad. I want every single one of you (nonrepublicans please) to have a place here in Canada where you can feel safe and be taken care of. We are not perfect, but life is pretty damn good.

[tanyev]

39. Hi, Adarlene!

Welcome to DU! We are coming to Canada for Christmas. Turn the heat up for me, please?

:hi:

[Adarlene]

41. Where to?

What part of the country?
I'm on the leftcoast. Rain rain snow rain rain sun rain rain rain sun rain snow rain rain... the sun does shine sometimes LOL

I am from BC's northern interior (where it does get 40 below) and miss the snow for Christmas. As I don't care for the heat (menopause has begun!) I am happy that we don't have too many days over 80 in the summer.

Thanks for the welcome tanyev, enjoy your Christmas celebrations!

[tanyev]

42. We are flying in to Toronto to catch up with a couple of hubby's friends

and then we are driving up to the Ottawa area where his family is. Every time I have been to Canada so far it has been unseasonably warm. That's great at Christmastime--not so much in August. As long as it's normal cold and snow, I think I'll be OK. I dread the year we go up there and get caught in a humongous blizzard, though.
:scared:

[Beelzebud]

37. The problem is that Canada won't have us.

[cali]

38. Nah. I like Canada a lot, and live close to the border, but I can't imagine

trading Vermont for Canada.