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Bjorn Against
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Sat Dec-15-07 12:45 PM Original message |
Let us be clear. Torture is NOT an interrogation technique. |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Sat Dec-15-07 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
1. I wish it were so simple, but the opposition is sincere |
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Bjorn Against
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Sat Dec-15-07 12:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. So unreliable info is useful? how so? |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Sat Dec-15-07 05:02 PM Response to Reply #2 |
27. Why don't you wait for an answer before insulting? |
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Bjorn Against
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Sat Dec-15-07 05:21 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Torture is always wrong, don't tell me otherwise. |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Sun Dec-16-07 12:28 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. And I can't avoid historical reality, however I want things to have been different |
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rhett o rick
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Sat Dec-15-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
21. The motive of torture is to terrorize and to make the torturer feel good. nm |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Sat Dec-15-07 05:05 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. You are wrong. The torturer does not get gratification. This is not S&M |
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sicksicksick_N_tired
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Sun Dec-16-07 12:42 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. No matter how 'sincere' the torturer, torture is fucking barbaric and ILLEGAL. |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Sun Dec-16-07 01:21 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. You're diluting the issue. I'm not interested in the professionals who |
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rhett o rick
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Mon Dec-17-07 01:15 AM Response to Reply #28 |
42. Sorry I disagree. For an individual to torture another human being, they must be sick. Are you |
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patrice
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Sat Dec-15-07 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
3. If the U.S. tortures, our soldiers will be tortured when they are captured. |
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Bjorn Against
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Sat Dec-15-07 01:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. I would love to see all the torture supporters in our government asked the question... |
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patrice
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Sat Dec-15-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Ultimate proof of no matter how you define "Victory", it doesn't |
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EFerrari
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Sat Dec-15-07 01:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Or, ask them what they think of the torture of American citizens |
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rhett o rick
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Sat Dec-15-07 02:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
22. Easy for them to answer. We are good and they are bad. What we do is for good |
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gulliver
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Sat Dec-15-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Do unto others... |
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Raksha
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Sat Dec-15-07 02:04 PM Response to Reply #3 |
18. It doesn't matter because the Bush mafia doesn't care about our troops |
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Orsino
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Mon Dec-17-07 09:13 AM Response to Reply #3 |
50. ...And we will be laughed at when we try to prosecute such war crimes. n/t |
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Fovea
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Sat Dec-15-07 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
5. Having had a job where I routinely |
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patrice
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Sat Dec-15-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. You've either imagined that in excruciating detail or it's true. |
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Raksha
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Sat Dec-15-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Didn't you see the reference to "ER" in that post? |
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old guy
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Sat Dec-15-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. This is an approach I have not seen before. |
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patrice
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Sat Dec-15-07 02:09 PM Response to Reply #5 |
19. Please accept my apology. |
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Fovea
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Sat Dec-15-07 10:08 PM Response to Reply #19 |
32. It's ok man. |
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K Gardner
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Sun Dec-16-07 12:34 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. I do Level 1 ER too... hello :-) |
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Fovea
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Sun Dec-16-07 01:55 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. How long you been at it? |
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K Gardner
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Sun Dec-16-07 02:06 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Twenty years, give or take a day or two. I take a breather |
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spanone
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Sat Dec-15-07 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
10. no, it's torture. only a criminal would try to redefine his crime |
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EFerrari
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Sat Dec-15-07 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
11. There is another element here that is important. |
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Raksha
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Sat Dec-15-07 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
13. K & R - You are absolutely right! |
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dailykoff
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Sat Dec-15-07 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
14. It is if "bad information" is the objective. |
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EFerrari
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Sat Dec-15-07 02:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Torture is simply concrete population control. |
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RufusTFirefly
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Sat Dec-15-07 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
17. You must have misspoken. |
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Perry Logan
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Sat Dec-15-07 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
20. If a Democratic administration were accused of waterboarding, it would DEFINITELY be called torture. |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Sat Dec-15-07 05:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. I'm sorry, but the situation is more complicated |
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Bucky
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Sat Dec-15-07 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
23. I'll agree with your opinion, but only if you remove these electrodes from my nutsac |
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rhett o rick
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Sat Dec-15-07 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
24. You have to be sick to be able to torture someone. Either you're sick before or you learn it from |
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Hydra
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Sat Dec-15-07 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
25. Boiled frog |
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pberq
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Sat Dec-15-07 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
26. well put. n/t |
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KG
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Sat Dec-15-07 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
31. that the torture discussion has gone public is not an accident. the real powers that be are watching |
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K Gardner
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Sun Dec-16-07 02:09 AM Response to Reply #31 |
39. You know, maybe this question has been answered here but I don't understand |
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CJCRANE
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Sun Dec-16-07 06:43 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Some DUers have suggested |
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EFerrari
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Mon Dec-17-07 06:46 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. There were prisoners who saw cameras all over the place. n/t |
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deacon
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Sun Dec-16-07 06:26 AM Response to Original message |
40. k + r n/t |
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Genanderson
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Mon Dec-17-07 01:49 AM Response to Original message |
43. You're explanation doesn't really cut it I think. |
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mmonk
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Mon Dec-17-07 07:34 AM Response to Original message |
45. Thanks for this post. Torture IS barbarism and it's purpose IS |
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Hippo_Tron
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Mon Dec-17-07 07:53 AM Response to Original message |
46. It's at least not a particularly reliable one |
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OzarkDem
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Mon Dec-17-07 08:01 AM Response to Original message |
47. US military rejects torture because it doesn't work |
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flashl
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Mon Dec-17-07 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
48. The surprising force behind torture: democracies |
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Orsino
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Mon Dec-17-07 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
49. It's also a valuable training technique.. |
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