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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:01 PM
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Texas to fingerprint people fleeing hurricane / Houston Chronicle


Next time, evacuees subject to criminal checks

State's plan calls for putting some offenders on separate bus


By TERRI LANGFORD

Texans seeking to escape the next hurricane or state emergency by evacuation bus will first be submitted to criminal background checks, the state's emergency management director says.

The idea, according to Jack Colley, is to keep sex offenders and others who may be wanted by police off the same buses used by the most vulnerable during an evacuation: the elderly, disabled residents and children.

"This will allow us to help them evacuate," Colley said of sex offenders and others wanted for crimes. "We're not going to leave anyone."

Though the intent is to make sure vulnerable evacuees aren't victimized,

Colley acknowledged that culling sex offenders and other criminals from a herd of evacuees during a potentially chaotic evacuation comes with plenty of challenges.

"We'll be able to do it," he said of the task, declining to be more specific about the process because of safety concerns.

He said the agency's first concern is to move people out of harm's way.

But Colley insists a better filter on who gets on an evacuation bus with special needs residents will eliminate potential problems.

"We're here to save lives," Colley said.

Earlier this month, it was announced AT&T Inc. has contracted with the Texas Governor's Division of Emergency Management to provide electronic wristbands for those residents wanting them, before they board an evacuation bus.

The wristbands would be scanned by emergency management officials and the person's name would be added to a bus boarding log. That person's name and their bus information would be sent wirelessly to the University of Texas Center for Space Research data center.

When the evacuee arrives at a designated shelter, the wristband would be scanned again to help state employees respond to inquiries from the public about the safety and location of evacuated family members.


The decision to wear a wristband is purely voluntary. But anyone who boards an evacuation bus will have to provide a name. There will be no requirement to show an identification card, such as a driver's license, but officials may ask those boarding for an ID.

Colley confirmed that all of those names will be checked against existing sex offender registries and other criminal background databases. Colley said officials are not interested in evacuees' past criminal convictions, only if they have outstanding warrants, are sex offenders or parolees.

After Hurricane Katrina, nearly 1,700 parolees failed to check in with authorities in Texas, Mississippi and Louisiana.

"We're all entitled to privacy, but we're not entitled to anonymity," Colley said.

Colley would not discuss how thorough the background checks will be. He said the state's focus was keeping sex offenders and those with current warrants segregated from vulnerable residents.

"We'll have procedures and we're not going to advertise what they are," he said.

Colley stressed no one will be left behind during an evacuation because they have a criminal history. But those with warrants or with a sex offense conviction will be evacuated separately.


Lessons from Katrina, Rita

Initially, Houston became the destination for at least 273,000 people fleeing hurricanes Katrina and Rita in 2005.

Among those evacuees were parolees and others with criminal histories. During those hurricanes, there was no way to segregate sex offenders and others from vulnerable populations during an emergency.

Colley says the state's intention is to keep evacuees safe.

"We took that very seriously after Rita and Katrina and there was no system," he said.

What the state is doing, is perfectly legal, according to at least one expert.

"Since it's a government record they're checking you against, there is not the same invasion of privacy concerns that may come up in other contexts," said professor Charles Rhodes, who teaches constitutional law at South Texas College of Law.

"I think the need for it would outweigh any privacy concerns. This is a public safety issue"

Rhodes' only reservation would be the system itself, whether it's set up to handle, perhaps, a false match indicating someone had a criminal record when they did not. He also wants to know how smoothly such checks could be processed.

"It's going to be interesting to see how this is implemented in the time of an emergency," Rhodes said.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/5380868.html


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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:03 PM
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1. Hell, it's Texas. There's gotta be lots of ear tags for cattle too. Tag everybody!
:grr:
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:05 PM
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4. They could color code them.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:07 PM
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8. Jesus! This will be a trick that will be worthy of watching.
So if a person that flees a hurricane and doesn't get get I.D clearance will be put in the criminal class?

What is the point?
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:04 PM
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2. only the poor
will be treated like this. People with enough money to drive away in a car will be fine, those looking to get on busses will be treated like prison inmates.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:05 PM
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3. Precisely
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 11:07 PM
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26. Yep and as a criminal, one loses civil rights, becomes property of the state
and can end up in a private prison making goods (with a proud "Made in the USA" label) for a dollar or so an hour
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:06 PM
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5. What's to stop someone from assuming someone elses identity
after they arrive in Texas?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:07 PM
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6. God I wish I could get out of this insane asylum
I never thought I'd see the day.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:07 PM
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7. That sounds like the best emergency plan since making everyone leave a sealed building
in event of a dirty bomb.


Pure brilliance.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:12 PM
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9. Police State plan? At&T involved? A child could be separated from
a mother with an outstanding warrant.

That professor from South Texas Law sounds like a terrible lawyer.

I got rid of my AT&T telephone service due to their illegal activities.
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:21 PM
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10.  People with a wristband would be first to go.
Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 07:32 PM by kokono
And you know some will have no problem to get one in advance.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:42 PM
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17. It says 'no'.
Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 07:46 PM by igil
Completely voluntarily: Only a name and some sort of ID would be needed for evacuation.

On the other hand, if I were sending my wife and kid to a shelter, I'd ask her to have a wristband on--on her or on the kid. Perhaps both. Then if they get separated they can be easily found, as opposed to my having to call various places hoping to find them; and if I can't get to a phone, then her mother wouldn't have to navigate the entire evacuee system from across the country trying to find her and our kid, there'd be a number she could call--which strikes me as far too organized for Texas, or any place else, and since it could be abused I can understand why a lot of people seem to think it's so undesirable a goal. That assumes the procedure works, of course, otherwise we can complain about the lack of a tracking system and the inhumanity of it all. Whatever.

In any event, the article seems to take a few different problems and cautions and merge them into a kind of soup for the reader to sort out. (1) Finding loved ones if you're separated from them. (2) Keeping sex offenders and other people that should be monitored monitored and not letting them roam free in a large evacuee center with lots of kids under poor supervision. (Something else, as the father of a young child, I think is a pretty good idea.) (3) Conducting a mass evacuation in an organized way and having some clue as to who's where.

Don't know if they're good attempts at solving the problems, but at least they're attempts. Requiring name and ID of some kind is also a good idea, I think. Certainly an improvement over last time--although last time they actually did a pretty good job in some respects.

On edit: I seem to have responded to what you said before, not your revision. In any event, it's also not indicated that those with wristbands would have any advantage in getting on a bus.
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:11 PM
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23. To get on a bus you will first be submitted
to criminal background checks. (Unless you already have a wristband). If it was a real life or death situation you don't want to stand in line to see if your wife and kids are criminals.
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KatyaR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 09:41 AM
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32. And how freakin' long will those "background checks" take?
Isn't the whole point of disaster evacuation to get people out in the shortest amount of time possible? This is just another way to identify who's moving where. We might as well go ahead with national IDs--we're already there.

I cut my hand yesterday afternoon and had to go to urgent care to get it stitched up. I had to show my driver's license at both the clinic and at the drugstore (not my normal one, they were closed). I also had to REVERIFY my home address at the drug store at checkout, even though I had just given the same person that information 20 minutes previously. Were they not going to fill my prescriptions if I hadn't had my ID? What if I didn't have one--was I shit out of luck?

We are living in a fascist country, no doubt about it.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:24 PM
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11. Recipe for disaster.
This plan has so many holes in it that I am not even going to attempt to list them.

People will surely perish - as a direct result of this cockamamie plan - if this is is put into action.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 11:10 PM
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27. It is new-speak for "go to the Super Dome! We'll send help for you!
Really, we will"
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:27 PM
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12. Jayzeus! The mark of the beast! The fundies had it right
why not just start now, go house-to-house and implant chips in everybody??
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:28 PM
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13. The ones with warrants will be evacuated to a jail cell.
Texas is a NASTY state. As dirty as they come. Fascist to the bone.

And it's not most of the people there. It's the cops.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:26 PM
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24. Yes.
Driving while brown or black is apparently a huge crime here in S. Texas. The cops (maybe border patrol, not sure) stopped a guy from Mexico at a checkpoint. He was going to Houston to buy a car; he could get a much better deal there than in Mexico. He had saved up thousands in cash and when they stopped him, they confiscated the money. He had to sue them to get it back. He eventually did but of course it went to pay the lawyer's fees. That sort of thing happens all the time here although I am not sure it is unique to Texas. That might be allowed in federal law. But it's still wrong.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:34 PM
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14. Terribly scary because they can detain "legal" immigrants also.
With even minor infractions from years ago.

This just sickens me, and the people of Texas should absolutely fight this.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1696
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:36 PM
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16. Try adding legal citizens. They can detain anyone in a world of panic
and chaos.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:35 PM
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15. After watching FEMA and others (Blackwater?) terrorize, herd like cattle
and even kill some very frightened already traumatized New Orleanians, this is one more act of terror, now against the citizens of Texas.

As someone who used to live in Texas, this is wrong in every sense of the word.
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:46 PM
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18. Damn, the police state is really ramping up
I wonder when it will be too late to get out of here?
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:49 PM
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19. Center for Space Research ???
They're gonna be food for alien lizards!

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:07 PM
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22. You can see THEM!


:D

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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:58 PM
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20. what's that smell
Let me get this straight. An entire population is in harms way and you are going to have people wasting valuable time electronically tagging people. Where do you get the A)people to do this B)communication system to implement C)location to do this D) Power supply, etc.? It seems like a entire waste of time to "help" people, but it does seems more of a gradual way to implement a more permanent electronic ID system. I guess I'm always skeptical when someone starts in with boogieman reasoning.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 11:12 PM
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28. Actually, the very threat of the stupid delaying tactic in a crisis will stop thousands
from trying to evacuate. It's the latest form of shooting them on a bridge if they try to leave town.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:13 PM
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34. great points -- welcome to DU!
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:03 PM
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21. That would be a good time for those Texans to put their guns to work.
The whole plan could be shut down in the first five minutes of an evacuation.
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kedrys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:31 PM
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25. I know this is flamebait, but
38,000 evacuees moved into my part of town, and it's turned into a complete war zone. We get daily alerts from the constable, and two days ago 6 freaking cop cars were in front of my house chasing two guys in a stolen Tahoe. So excuse me if I can't get all teary-eyed about this particular bout of fascism.

There are no solutions. :(
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 01:52 PM
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38. I know what you mean (not personally, but from paying attention to the news)
and I'm really sorry for it and feel much more needs to be done about it.

But sorting people out as they are running from a storm? And only targeting the ones who don't have cars of their own? No. Not even if I were in a neighborhood like yours, I think, although one never knows until one is in the situation.

Again, I am saddened by your situation, and hope that someone with a little authority is trying to make things better for you and your neighborhood.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 01:38 AM
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29. Keep the criminals from evacuating and they can stay behind to loot all the homes.
:rofl:
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 02:07 AM
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30. Question: who exactly are the criminals??
n/t
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 07:20 AM
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31. What about the children?
No, seriously, what about the children.

Did they EVER find all of the lost children from hurricane Katrina/Rita evacuations?

After the hurricanes, a missing children expert confessed on the MSM that the lost children of Katrina/Rita were probably trapped in the U.S. human trafficking network. And, they would never be found.

Since we on the subject, let's talk about the prisoners abandon in jails to drown.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:10 PM
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33. i'm imagining all the people who won't deserve evacuation b/c of errors and wrongful convictions.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 01:30 PM
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35. "What the state is doing, is perfectly legal, according to at least one expert."
Edited on Sun Dec-16-07 02:30 PM by tbyg52
"Since it's a government record they're checking you against, there is not the same invasion of privacy concerns that may come up in other contexts," said professor Charles Rhodes, who teaches constitutional law at South Texas College of Law.

Huh? It's not what they check you against, it's that they are proposing to require that you identify yourself with no probable cause whatsoever. Welcome to the police state. This needs to be shouted down, pronto. But it probably won't be.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 01:31 PM
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36. Ugh.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 01:37 PM
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37. The Chronicle website allows comments, if you'd care to take a moment
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