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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:41 PM
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Foreclosure story with a twist.
What the heck?! Read this story about the Oropezas and their march to foreclosure. I'm amazed.
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'The New Orange County'

The Oropezas arrived at Calle Canon Road in 2004. Corona appealed to them because of its quality of life and regional cachet. "It was labeled as the new Orange County," Mrs. Oropeza says. Public records show they paid $557,000 for a four-bedroom house and took out a $500,000 mortgage. Her husband is an area manager for an auto-parts retailer and she is a purchasing manager for a firm that sells dietary supplements.

As property values skyrocketed, they refinanced three times, most recently in late 2006, for $835,000, Mr. Oropeza says.

The couple say they used some of the money they pulled out of the house for home improvement, such as a backyard waterfall. But Mr. Oropeza says the bulk was used to pay off credit-card arrears. "We were in a vicious cycle of refinancing our home to get out of debt," he says. "We banked on selling the house, but that's where we failed."


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The couple listed the house several times, even before the final refinancing, which raised their monthly payments to about $6,300. Earlier this year, they were asking $839,000 for the house. But it just sat. Elsie Cambone, the Coldwell Banker agent who had the listing, says prospective buyers were put off by the vacant home next door.

Meanwhile, Mr. Oropeza expected to be transferred to Texas, so the couple began house hunting there in 2006. In June, they bought a 3,600-square-foot home for $283,000 in the Houston suburb of Katy, Mrs. Oropeza says. "It was easy. We had good credit. The deal was done in seven days."

In the run-up to their move, she says, the couple lived off credit cards to "make sure we had cash for the house payments" in Corona. They packed up in June, and then took their 9-year-old son and 2-year-old daughter on a long-planned Caribbean vacation. They returned to Calle Canon Road, "got in our cars and drove to Texas," Mrs. Oropeza says.

Neighbors Ms. Lefranc and Mr. Saffold are dismayed over the Oropezas' departure and note that shortly before leaving, the couple bought a new Lexus. "I think they took money out of their house and split," Ms. Lefranc says.

Mrs. Oropeza says that she and her husband recently bought a Lexus and a Chevrolet Suburban with no money down. She denies that the family intended to abandon the house. The choice was straightforward, she says: "It was easier to keep the house in Texas than the one in California."

Countdown to Foreclosure

The couple stopped making their Corona mortgage payments in June, triggering a notice of default 90 days later and starting the countdown to foreclosure. The family is now living in Texas. But Mr. Oropeza says he no longer expects a transfer, so every other week, sometimes more often, he says he flies west to make his usual rounds of retail locations in the Inland Empire. Mrs. Oropeza says she travels to Orange County every three weeks for her job.

"We're sad because there goes our credit, and because people think we are a bunch of flakes who walked away from the house and tried to make money," Mrs. Oropeza says. The property's for-sale listing has expired. "We have zero expectation that we can sell this house," she says. After the government-brokered mortgage plan was announced, Mr. Oropeza says he called the toll-free helpline and left a message, though he doubts he will qualify to get his Corona house back.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119785633408932917.html?mod=hps_us_pageone

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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:45 PM
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1. Bought a house in Texas "expecting" a transfer?
Dumb move.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:48 PM
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2. Dumbasses...
This is clearly a case of getting what you BEGGED for!

If you dance to the music, you must pay the piper... or he will hunt you down.

The SO and I were reading in the local paper this weekend (online) and someone commented on a subprime story, that her house "came" with a subprime loan. Uh... no. No house "comes" with a specific loan... the borrower makes the decision based on what they can afford. So, she complains about her $500,000 home in our neighborhood... I suspect her income is much like mine... I qualified for a $300k mortgage (conventional). I could have gone for a $500k had I wanted the same risk this writer took... uh... no. I certainly did not.

I'm constantly surprised that people will enter into mortgages without the slightest idea of what they are doing. Even with my first home I made damn well sure I knew exactly what my payments were going to be, and what they might be down the road.

The house "came" with that loan... riiiiiiiiight.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:58 PM
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6. You just saved me a lot of typing.
A couple of idiots dragging their kids down with them, along with the negative impact on their former neighbors.

Some time ago, when these ARM-related problems began to surface, I posted several times relating pretty much what you just said.

I still have the scorch-marks to show for it.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:49 PM
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3. A backyard waterfall, a Lexus, a Carribean vacation
a Suburban... yeah those poor people :eyes:
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:53 PM
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4. Wow.. I wish
I had a Lexus & a Caribbean vacation instead of credit card payments... people like this remind me exactly why there should be NO BAIL OUT. People who have buy houses within thier budget, pay their bills and live within their means are who gets screwed in this situation.

At least these nice folks have a $280,000 house in Texas to retire in..with a lexus to boot.

Waaaaa!
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 05:05 PM
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7. So it's better to screw the vast majority that bought on an ARM
because of either lack of knowledge of the market or because they had dings in their credit, and then you can punish couples like the above.

Some days, I wonder where the hell I'm reading. For those who live in areas of the country with a HIGH cost of living due to what one or both spouses does, it's not such an easy choice. We're currently discussing what to do -- keep the house we bought seven years ago for what was (then) a modest amount of money but still eats up almost half our take-home income between property taxes, heat, lights, water and maintenance, or move into an apartment and end up paying all that and more to the IRS. I might mention that we have a fixed rate loan, just in case you all are ready to jump to your keyboards and let me know the error of our ways.

I'm so grateful that the vast majority here are such brilliant money managers. I have never seen such a bunch of self-righteous, smug, supercilious and all-knowing self-proclaimed experts in my life.

Happy Holidays.
Julie
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 06:15 PM
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11. There's a lot of territory between...
Brilliant money managers and horse sense.

I live in Los Angeles. It doesn't get much more expensive than that. And still I had the horse sense to buy a home within my means... and I don't drive a Lexus either.

There is a huge difference between being able to afford the price of a home, and being able to afford to live there. Don't blame me or the rest of DU if you didn't do your homework.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 10:04 PM
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13. Of course, you completely miss my point
Then again, I'm sure it happens to you quite a lot.

>Brilliant money managers and horse sense.

There's also a large difference between those who opine on how brilliant they are and those who are humble enough to admit that they haven't always made perfect choices. I'd put you in the first category.

>I live in Los Angeles. It doesn't get much more expensive than that. And still I had the horse sense to buy a home within my means... and I don't drive a Lexus either.

When did you buy that home?

Second question: What's your mortgage? We live in the Pacific Northwest, where a fixer-upper is now over $300K. Don't believe me? Feel free to check for yourself. www.windermere.com or www.johnlscott.com.

Oh, and by the way -- I have a fourteen-year-old Nissan Sentra. My husband drives a twelve-year-old sport truck. We drive our vehicles till they're worn out.

>There is a huge difference between being able to afford the price of a home, and being able to afford to live there. Don't blame me or the rest of DU if you didn't do your homework.

Our mortgage is no more than anyone else's in the area, and we own a fairly modest home. We are the same as millions of others -- the price of living has risen to the extent that it's hard for us to make ends meet. At least we're truthful, unlike those who get their jollies by sitting behind a keyboard and lecturing others.

By the way, happy holidays. I'm sure your attitude will keep you warm, huh?
Julie


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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:13 PM
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14. Not sure what your deal is...
And why you feel the need to insult. Hope it makes you feel better.

I bought my home 2.5 years ago... a small, three bedroom, 1275 sq ft., split level townhouse, in a part of town were I never thought I'd have to live. I was forced out of the neighborhood I grew up in because 800 sq. ft. fixer-uppers start at $500k. The home my parents bought for $15k in 1972 recently sold for $775k. I could have bought that home, with "stated income" and a sub-prime loan, and the payments would have been easy for the first five years, but I passed, because I saw the writing on the wall. I could have afforded slightly more, but with BushCo in power, I knew our economy would be spinning down the can soon. Even with my financially conservative, fiscally responsible ways, and the fact that I make over $77k a year, I'm finding it hard to make ends meet too. I have zero dollars at the end of the month after paying $1850 a month on the mortgage, and eating the cheapest food I can find, not going out to eat, not going to the movies, buying barely enough clothing to keep my professional appearance (and only on sale), I only get my hair done twice a year, and I've given up mani- and pedicures. I simply choose not to have a pity party for myself, knowing I made the best possible choices... even with the gunshots and graffiti on my block. At least I get the tax break on the mortgage interest. I'll survive... somehow.

How the hell am I not being truthful anyway? I think your anger is misdirected.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:54 PM
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5. Typical of all the bullshitters in their black suvs & lexus's.
Orange County is loaded with them, people with half-ass nothing jobs living on credit cards & refi's.
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 05:16 PM
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9. His job isn't totally half-ass
It looks like he is a AutoZone manager or something, not totally lame, but still not worthy of the lifestyle they expected.

More to the point, it amazes me that loan agents give dumbases like these decent jobs and fabulous loans in the first place, only to default later, which I probably could have predicted after meeting them, without even the benefit of a business or economics degree.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 05:16 PM
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8. Fraud..
they supposedly put in $57K, and pulled out $335K from the house in THREE YEARS...

that's fraud..

the house they bought in texas was purchased because they KNEW they were going to walk away, and would not be able to get another loan easily.. That's why they got the two new cars as well..

They committed fraud...pure and simple
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 06:09 PM
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10. Stupid, greedy people.
They took a boatload of money out of that house, spent way beyond their means and now lookit. What a mess!

Years ago, when my soon-to-be ex and I were buying a house lenders told us we could afford a house worth x amount of dollars. I took one look at what sort of monthly payment that would mean for us and I said "absolutely not" and hubby agreed. We are both high school graduates. One needn't have an MBA to know what one can or cannot afford.

The world is full of fools, greedy ones.

Julie
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 06:43 PM
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12. There's fraud on both sides of the fence in the housing mess.
These people I don't feel sorry for one bit. But for every one of them there are others who were duped by the Mortgage companies and sold something they couldn't afford and now are totally screwed and no doubt homeless.
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:38 PM
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15. So it's "fraud" when a lender puts its terms in black and white
in a legally binding contract, and a borrower, for whatever reason, fails to comprehend that contract but signs it anyway? That's not fraud on the lender's part, that is a failure of the borrower.

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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 04:35 PM
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17. Do you even know what's really happening with the mortgage mess?
Educate yourself by watching this:

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/346/video.html
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 05:56 PM
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18. Yes, they preyed on the ignorant...
But a lot of people jumped at the chance to be greedy and live far above their means. It's sad, especially for kids caught in the situation. Still, it's just dumb to think that you can afford a half million dollar home on $30k a year. It doesn't take a genius to know that if you tell someone you make $60k when you make half that, you are taking a huge risk. And it is dumber still to sign paperwork you don't understand. These people jumped in the car with the stranger who had a puppy and candy.

I hope a lot of people on both sides of this issue have learned a lesson.

You should really watch that video to which you posted a link.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 05:49 PM
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26. Like I said, there is fraud on both sides of the fence.
Many people got lured into this mess thinking they could get into a house or refinance the house they already owned and easily refinance later, which is NOT the truth.
Meanwhile others took advantage and scammed the system BIG TIME to make $$$.

As we all know, far too often, people will do ANYTHING for money. And the mortgage companies and Wall Street milked that fact for all it's worth.

Ultimately, it's the little guy who will pay while the scammers-on both sides of the fence-get away scot free.


BTW-Have YOU watched the video? :shrug:
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:42 PM
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16. Won't their creditors find them in Texas?
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 06:09 PM
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20. Texas only garnishes wages for child support and student loans
unlike California who will garnish it for bad debt.
They did their homework.
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 06:15 PM
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21. No shit?
Evil fraudsters!

I had no idea that Texas' laws were that lax.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 06:17 PM
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22. Absolutely true.
It does sound like they intentionally set out to commit fraud.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 06:06 PM
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19. The system was designed for this to happen
I'm sure this isn't the only instance.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 06:20 PM
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23. Texas and Florida both have no wage garnishment for
ordinary debt. (They can for child support or taxes)

Which is why so many formerly wealthy move to one of those states....OJ comes to mind
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 06:20 PM
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24. Gosh, how tragic!
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 06:20 PM by hatrack
C'mon, y'all, I'm hosting a pity party for the Oropezas, and you can join me! We're meeting just below this paragraph, between the two parentheses:

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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:30 AM
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25. kick.
:kick:
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