Andrew Sullivan: Ron Paul for Republican Nom, Obama for Dems

[SharkSquid]

Sullivan endorsed Obama on the Dem side and I think O is his overall candidate, but an interesting writeup from a "libertarian" Brit.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/12/ron-paul-for-th.html

[Captain Hilts]

1. He supported Bush in 2000 and 2004. 'Nuff said. nt

[SharkSquid]

3. I think that he supported Kerry in 04

In fact I am certain of it:
"He did not support the re-election of George W. Bush and has repeatedly suggested that much of the Republican Party has abandoned its conservative principles and has stated that much of the party has been co-opted either by those he refers to as Christianists or, at other times, by a 'Cult of Bush.'"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Sullivan

Sound like alot of other folks here. I am pretty sure he was a McCain Guy in 2000.

[Selatius]

2. Ron Paul would be worse than Bush on social programs.

And Andrew Sullivan is discredited. This is a man who thought GWB was a good candidate for the Republicans in 2000. Bill Maher called him out on it when Maher said that he thought Bush was a fucking moron way before he became the Repub contender for the nomination.

[SharkSquid]

5. Everyone makes mistakes.

Shit my father voted for Bush the first time around too, he didnt make that mistake again and neither did Sullivan.

[Selatius]

7. Sullivan said the same thing to Bill Maher, and that was Bill Maher's response

That even back in the late 1990s into 2000 Maher thought Bush was a moron coming from a mile away.

[SharkSquid]

8. OK well I knew who Bush was back in the 90's

I met him a few times even (the Texas Rangers did spring training in my hometown). I didnt see it coming either. I think that conservatives who do not want to play with the Neocons are a rare treasure not people to be rejected out of hand.

[Selatius]

9. See, that was the point Maher was hitting on. People aren't critical researchers/thinkers.

And I take myself as Exhibit A.

I was just barely old enough to vote in 2000 in Mississippi, and I uncritically believed the Republican mantra that government is bad and inefficient and that Gore was the greater of two evils. I didn't bother to vote in that election as Mississippi's electoral vote outcome was assured for Bush, yet at the time if I had cast my ballot, I would've voted for Ralph Nader because I at least knew his record of consumer advocacy, whereas my attitudes on Al Gore and George Bush were shaped by the local propaganda found in rural Mississippi.

Today, after years of critically examining politics and sampling different economic models, I've become a free-market socialist. Bill Maher's point wasn't that Sullivan was stupid. Maher's point was that Sullivan didn't ask enough questions of his own side like an impartial person should.

[SharkSquid]

10. And my point is that just as you have made better decisions in

your life, so have you.

[racaulk]

4. I think Sullivan is in support of anyone who is not named Hillary Clinton. nt

[SharkSquid]

6. Sound like me too

Ill vote for a stick of celery in the primaries before her.

General Election is a different story.

Not that my vote counts anyways, I live in FL.