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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 06:59 PM Original message |
I just finished watching a documentary about the saga of Elian Gonzalez |
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Pawel K (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
1. I was young when all that happened so maybe there is something I am missing but... |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. um, excuse me |
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Pawel K (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. I never said anything about who has authority to do what |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:52 PM Response to Reply #4 |
53. It has an asylum law |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 08:00 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. well, the law prevailed, didn't it? |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. Yeah, I do think a kid is better off living with stable, caring, responsible parents, |
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Pawel K (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:16 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. How do you know his parent in Cuba is stable, caring, or responsible |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:19 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. oh please!!! |
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Roy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-20-07 12:26 AM Response to Reply #18 |
86. Richard Who??????? |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-20-07 01:01 PM Response to Reply #86 |
92. Roy, sweetie!!! |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:19 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. He wasn't fainting 3 times a day on TV, sleeping with the kid and letting him lick his |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:29 PM Response to Reply #16 |
31. Since you were too young to know what was going on at the time, and I wasn't, |
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Pawel K (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:32 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. First off, I did some minor research before I posted |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:35 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Well, Wikipedia--aren't you the savvy Googler? |
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Pawel K (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:39 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Did I trust wikipedia for all my info? No, I wanted to have a simple discussion here |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:44 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. See post 43--and non-Miami based media. nt |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:46 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. Actually, wiki says mom stole him, took on boyfriend's boat, most died. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:51 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Perhaps he's still too young to |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:53 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. I've chased more than my share in my day |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 11:04 PM Response to Reply #54 |
85. LOL! nt |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:54 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. But his name was Lazaro Munero, not "dick". I'm so confused. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:41 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. Why did she take her son with her on such a dangerous trip? |
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Pawel K (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:51 PM Response to Reply #43 |
51. I don't get it, but why take the kid? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:53 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. What do you think? And what are you basing that on? |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:51 PM Response to Reply #34 |
52. Check out this link. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-20-07 01:09 AM Response to Reply #16 |
89. At the time of the Elian incident, my church in Portland was sponsoring |
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CANDO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-20-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #16 |
96. You're telling me the living father has no right to raise his child wherever he chooses? |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
17. You have to be naive to think that Cuba is the rat's nest you are led to believe-- |
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Pawel K (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:27 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. Did I use the words rat's nest? I dont believe I did |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:32 PM Response to Reply #27 |
36. How much do you pay for your health care? College education? |
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Pawel K (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:37 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. I got free health care living in communist Poland and right after communism fell |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:43 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. So what's Castro done that was so evil since the fall of Communist Europe? |
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Pawel K (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:49 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. You are changing the subject here |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-20-07 01:40 AM Response to Reply #38 |
91. not a good comparison |
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Pawel K (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-20-07 03:01 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. I lived there during Walesa, my family moved here in 1994 |
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MiniMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-20-07 12:39 AM Response to Reply #17 |
88. I think that the point that most people forget is that Elian and his father |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-20-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #88 |
100. Elian had it good even before this happened |
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KT2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
24. Yes - you are misisng |
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Pawel K (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:28 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. I wouldn't mind watching the documentary |
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KT2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 08:25 PM Response to Reply #29 |
72. Yes |
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Pawel K (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 09:02 PM Response to Reply #72 |
80. I have discovery times but its not on right now like its supposed to be according to that site. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
58. That kind of thinking takes some level of arrogance |
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Pawel K (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 08:13 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. You want me to define a better life? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 08:16 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Yeah! like living somewhere you didn't have to worrry about |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 08:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
63. His father lives in Cuba |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-20-07 12:32 AM Response to Reply #1 |
87. Deleted message |
LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-20-07 03:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
106. Much like a lot people take living with their own father for granted |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
2. There would have been no Elian saga if we'd end the sanctions and normalize relations with Cuba |
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Bobbieo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Cat Woman - I watched that thing go down and you are correct. |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:09 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. i think they were in it for the money more than anything |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:50 PM Response to Reply #8 |
49. then you understand nothing of the cubans in Miami..many who risked their lives to get out of Cuba.. |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 08:14 PM Response to Reply #49 |
66. those are not the deranged people I saw on my television screen |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 08:16 PM Response to Reply #49 |
69. Too bad that so many loonies in Miami |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 08:17 PM Response to Reply #49 |
70. You are talking "cubans", CaWoman is talking Elian Gonzales' people. |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-20-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #49 |
101. Or so they say...just like all of the other horror stories from the "poor Cuban exiles" |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
3. I remember when that happened. I just absolutely couldn't believe what I was seeing. |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:08 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. yes, how could we forget that crazy fainting witch |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:14 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. She was absolutely nuts! |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. among other things, Donato was a lying loser to boot. |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. oops - my bad |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
7. But isn't his story just the perfect example of so-called "family values" |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:21 PM Response to Reply #7 |
20. I'll never forget that hurtful, insulting video the Miami family made |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:26 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. For being psycho wackjobs, they certainly "knew" how to manipulate the media. |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:27 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. four letters: CANF |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:30 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. Yep, my thoughts exactly. nt |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-20-07 01:16 AM Response to Reply #20 |
90. But there was also a more candid video made during Elian's sixth birthday party |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-20-07 03:19 PM Response to Reply #90 |
95. I remember seeing the actual clip at the time. |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-20-07 03:27 PM Response to Reply #90 |
98. That's what he said |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
9. That Reminds Me: Elian II |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:22 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. Crisco - you've lost me. What settlement? |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:32 PM Response to Reply #21 |
35. Sorry, Here |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:37 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. damn! |
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NC_Nurse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
10. I agree wholeheartedly. |
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frogmarch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
22. The Miami family was trying to cash in |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:26 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. careful - there's one in this thread |
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frogmarch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:28 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. tough! :-) nt |
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sailor65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
30. You know what I find the most ironic? |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:30 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. With the king of jackboot thugs, Tom Delay, leading the pack |
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sailor65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 08:05 PM Response to Reply #32 |
61. And wasn't he the one |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:40 PM Response to Reply #30 |
42. I remember that the family went around and kicked their own doors in |
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sailor65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 08:08 PM Response to Reply #42 |
62. I remember all sorts of threats |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:53 PM Response to Reply #30 |
56. Actually, the SWAT team didnt go get him "so he could be sent home" |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:56 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Thank you. eom |
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sailor65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 08:27 PM Response to Reply #56 |
73. Yes, I think you're right |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 08:33 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Yes, of course. It WAS overblown because the officer in that famous picture... |
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sailor65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 08:45 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Yeah, that one |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 08:34 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. This picture? |
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sailor65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 08:42 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Yup, that's the one |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 08:54 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. seems riskier to have taken him on a small boat like his mom did. |
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sailor65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 10:15 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. Yeah, just a bit riskier! |
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AlCzervik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
41. Did you rent it and can you tell me the name of it? |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 07:50 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. Discovery Times - Elian Gonzalez: Prisoner of Politics |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 08:12 PM Response to Reply #48 |
64. Hope somebody will put it up on youtube |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 08:15 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. what do you know? |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 08:19 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Yeah! |
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AlCzervik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 08:35 PM Response to Reply #67 |
76. Thanks!! I checked my cable and the doc isn;t on here. |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 10:03 PM Response to Reply #67 |
82. Thanks for the youtube post. I was one of so many that were |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
81. Those folks with the INS were heroes! |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 10:07 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. I shudder to think what the outcome would have been if this |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-20-07 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
94. Was The Name Jerry Wiener Mentioned? I Knew Him VERY Well |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-20-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #94 |
102. so, you came in this thread to name-drop??? |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-20-07 03:49 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. Yup, I'm A Big Shot |
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devilgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-20-07 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
97. I remember these Tom Tomorrow cartoons? |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-20-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #97 |
104. I never saw those |
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devilgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-20-07 03:57 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Aren't they a crack-up? |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-20-07 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
99. Whatever happened to Marisleysis and the fisher guy? |
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