The Democratic Establishment Can't Stand John Edwards

[kpete]

What kind of people "can't stand" John Edwards? The same kind of people who stood with AT&T and Verizon against the American people. The same kind of people who are benefiting from the way our corrupt Washington culture operates, and so therefore feel threatened by any upstarts coming along trying to change things.

The Democratic Establishment Can't Stand John Edwards
by TocqueDeville
Fri Dec 21, 2007 at 12:47:13 PM PST
From MSNBC transcripts
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21013780/

TODD: The only problem that Edwards would have, even if he won Iowa and New Hampshire, is that the Democratic elite can‘t stand Edwards. There is this weird establishment problem that Edwards has and they take it as a badge of honor.

And they say, see, these people in D.C., they don‘t like me because I‘m speaking the truth or I‘m a populist. But you know what, at the end of the day, if he ends up as her chief challenger, I think she could rally the establishment and win this thing in one of these delegate fights. And that‘s the real hurdle Edwards would have if he...

MATTHEWS: Give me some names of the establishment?

TODD: I‘m not going to sit here and name names.

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: . the establishment over here. Who are these dark figures that.

TODD: It‘s called the Democratic National Committee.

MATTHEWS: Who are these people? Anne Wexler? Ann Lewis? Who are these people?

TODD: Yes, it‘s called the Democratic National Committee.

more at:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/12/21/15416/155/830/425311

[waiting for hope]

1. I kinda see Dean

in his heart supporting Edwards - JRE is advocating the 50 State Strategy. I believe it to be more the DLCers myself. Nice read - Thanks!

[supernova]

2. The DLCers

Well yes, because JE is blowing their whole "move to the center to win" strategy, when truthfully, the DLC should really only be called Big Dawg's PAC. It was useful once upon a time, but now it is a great big energy suck in the heart of the Dem party.

:rofl:

[mod mom]

22. DLC's Al From thinks it was a mistake for Gore "to fight for the people & not the powerful"

That says a lot as to why they don't like populist/anti corporatism Edwards:


Al From, the DLC's founder and CEO, opened a freewheeling discussion forum by arguing that Democrat Al Gore made a huge tactical mistake by continually emphasizing that he would "fight for the people and not the powerful" as the nation's first president of the 21st Century.

-snip

http://www.progress.org/goredlc2.htm

[Cha]

30. What's not to support about

the 50 state strategy? Only the assbites who don't benefit from it are calling it ridiculous..like jimmy carville and his ilk.

[TwilightZone]

3. The Democratic "establishment" doesn't like the VP nominee from '04?

That's an interesting assertion.

[EFerrari]

11. Or obvious statement of fact. Edwards has had no support from them

even though he's a very attractive candidate with less bagage than Clinton or Obama.

Hillary Clinton has been shoved down our throats since the moment she started running for the Senate. Obama is a nice foil and that's pretty much all he is. Neither of them can carry Edward's lunch when it comes to connecting with voters or policy or breadth of appeal.

Another stupid assed mistake brought to you by the DLC Corporati.

[bread_and_roses]

50. "Corporati" - I like that.

I'll adopt it, if you don't mind.

[creeksneakers2]

4. Vague innuendo

The Democratic National Committee? Is Howard Dean part of the corrupt establishment who wants to sabotage John Edwards to protect the phone companies?

What specific corruption is Edwards challenging? Who,what,when,where?

[Le Taz Hot]

16. He's wrong about the DNC

It's the DLC and their stooges who currently hold power. Dean has been abjectly rejected from their little inner circle -- thank goddess!

[Cha]

31. Did todd do a psych op and

say DNC when he knew damn well it was the dlc? Or is he just confused?

[UTUSN]

5. O.K.?!1 Next question?!1 n/t

[OzarkDem]

6. And that's a good reason to support him

The Democratic insiders are a colossal failure, both with the Dem base and the voting public.

[peacetalksforall]

7. I take that GE little skit between Matthews and Todd as a crappy

attempt jointly planted by the DLC and NBC. My opinion of the DLC is so low, that I wouldn't doubt it.

The DNC? Really? Don't think so. Really crappy vile. Willing to be educated.

[EFerrari]

13. I agree. This has everything to do with the DLC and nothing to do with the DNC. nt

[MonkeyFunk]

14. John Edwards

was a DLC darling when he was in the Senate.

[saracat]

19. So? So was Al Gore.People change except for Clinton!

[MonkeyFunk]

20. I don't think they change

as much as not having to cast votes allows people to project all sorts of positions onto them.

I don't think Gore or Edwards are nearly as "progressive" as a lot of people like to think.

[saracat]

21. Depends what you mean by progressive.By some "current definitions" I am not "progressive"

But both men mo longer support the DLC and Hillary is still an advocate for that philosophy which has proven detrimental.

[EFerrari]

24. I imagine it's not hard to be a DLC darling as long as

you tow the line. Looks like JE was too independent for them.

[MonkeyFunk]

26. Certainly not while he was in office

he was pure DLC while he was in the Senate.

[EFerrari]

28. But, that isn't remarkable. What is remarkable is that he has moved on

from that safe position.

[MonkeyFunk]

32. Yes

not having to cast votes makes it easier for him to say anything.

[EFerrari]

35. I agree. And, looking the other way, that's a measure of how corrupt

our Congress is more than it's a reflection on Edwards.

It must be good to be a little more free to craft your own message.

(Not that Democratic candidates have been voting much lately.)

[Cha]

33. Some people evolve unlike

hillary clinton.

[EFerrari]

44. Now,now. Devolution is just a theory.

:)

[Cha]

46. It's a theory

that the degenerate Washington insiders have embraced. :)

[wellst0nev0ter]

15. And The DCCC And DSCC (n/t)

[cascadiance]

8. In my book, today that is a PLUS!

[Generator]

9. Oh let's once and for all cut all the bullshit

NO they do not want Edwards. Edwards is actually a Democrat. I don't know what the FUCK Hillary Clinton is or her husband has become now who want to align with George Bush Senior is-but they are no longer Democrats. The DLC does not represent real Democrats. They represent what used to be called Republicans. Republicans are now fasicts.

I'm tired of all the lies. The Clintons have become poison to the Democratic party. They did not want or work or sacrifice a goddamn thing to get Kerry elected. They probably actively WORKED to make sure he didn't get elected behind the scenes. Hillary needed her eight years now! She couldn't wait until 2012-her nasty ass would be too old. Hillary did NOTHING to help GORE get elected either and she is probably a part of the reason we have Bush today.

[Kansas Wyatt]

25. Here Here

The Clinton's are a curse on Working Americans... While appearing to help Working Americans on the surface, policy was being put in place to destroy any gains made and the livelihoods of Working Americans at the same time.

Something is definitely not right with Bill's relationship with Poppy, but it does explain why Bill refused to investigate what Poppy did in office.

[OzarkDem]

27. A reminder - the DLC is not part of the Democratic Party

They're a special interest group lobbying for an agenda and have no political affiliation by law.

[Cha]

37. hillary is part of the reason..

because bill covered for bush 1 and she was getting "foreign policy" experience" and all from ol bill's admin, right?

[pansypoo53219]

10. GOOD!

more reason to support im. the DC dems are not on OUR/the people's side.

[AzDar]

12. This is a good thing.

:applause:

[OregonBlue]

17. Remeber that the Dem establishment hated Bill Clinton and he got no support

from Washington insiders. They were all working against him.

[Cha]

38. So he's joined them

or he's just a victim of the Stockholm Syndrome.

[OregonBlue]

48. Yah but, my point was that you don't have to be a member of the "in crowd". Clinton is

the "in crowd" now but they DLC hated him before he was president.

[SoxFan]

49. That's not true

When Clinton ran in 1992, he had deeper support among Beltway Establisment Democrats than any candidate with the possible exception of Tom Harkin.

The DC crowd sure as hell wasn't supporting Paul Tsongas or Jerry Brown.

[NoodleyAppendage]

18. Anne Wexler Bio

ANNE WEXLER, AO, Chairman of the Executive Committee

Recognized as one of Washington’s 10 most powerful lobbyists, Washingtonian magazine says the following about Wexler & Walker’s founding partner, Anne Wexler:

"Few Washington lobbyists are more experienced, enduring, or skillful than this former top policy aide to President Carter. She is easily the most influential female lobbyist in a world still dominated by men."

As President Carter’s chief deputy charged with building business and public support for White House programs and policies, Wexler is credited with ushering in a new form of public advocacy by engaging the strategic use of outside coalitions and grassroots networks to support policy goals.

Previously, Wexler served as Deputy Under Secretary of Commerce, coordinating the department's programs and field operations and directing the department's Office of State and Local Governments. During her tenure at Commerce, Wexler also served as Chair of the President's Task Force on Women Business Owners.

http://www.wexlerwalker.com/wexler.htm

[Kansas Wyatt]

23. If the Democratic Party wants to know how they lost so many elections.

It's because they turned their fucking backs on Working Americans (the majority who put them in power to begin with) and started representing special interests and Corporate America.

If you are a Democratic politician.... Wake the fuck up, because by not representing Working Americans and the majority in this country, you are making sure this country drifts to the right even further and/or signing your own pink slip. There has never been a push back to the left over the last thirty years for Working Americans, and they have been getting shit on by our Corporate Government, with hard shoves to the right.

Either you represent Corporate America or you represent 'We The People.' There is no in between... You are obligated and required by the Constitution to represent 'We The People,' not fucking Corporate America.

Any damn Democrat who represents Corporate America is no different than a Republican, which is exactly why the Democratic Party lost so many elections and why they do not have a majority to over-ride any veto. Who's fault is that? The alleged "leaders" in the Democratic Party, that's who!

[Cha]

29. Of course they can't stand John Edwards and

I can't stand them. They're useless except to fatten their own coffers.

I guess every society has the people who live off of other people's sorrows.

[HughMoran]

34. If you say so

I don't believe it.

[Cha]

39. Yeah, I'm sure you

don't believe any facts.

[HughMoran]

41. Yeah, that's what I said

I'm waiting for facts...

[Cha]

42. Yeah, don't open

your eyes..stay in that little enclosed bubble of yours.

[HughMoran]

43. Still waiting for facts - personal insults don't cut it

I love being insulted...

[leftchick]

45. apparently

you avoid facts.

[HughMoran]

47. None were posted, just some guys "word"

Which I do not believe.

Have you any facts to share?

[leftchick]

36. It is the DLC, The NEOLIBS!

cripes.

[HughMoran]

40. YEah!1!

It's them creepy people and we are all helpless to do anything!111!1

OMG!!11

[cali]

51. It's nothing but a nasty swipe at Dean

Edwards never could stand Dean, and this is just garbage. Dean has been scrupulously fair, and he's done more for democracy than Edwards.