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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:21 PM Original message |
This souped up looking BABE of a car runs on Compressed air! So why is it only available in other c |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
1. This is exciting! At first hybrids were touted as being "the future" - now so many |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Although I confess a weakness for the Prius, that whole notion of hybrids always made me ill |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Is the hydrogen extracted from gasoline? That's what I think bush |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. His choice was the most expensive cell to develop |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:47 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. He always sides with the poisons and profiteers. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 06:32 PM Response to Reply #7 |
42. Expect ethanol, as we just got via the new bill, because Jeb Bush owns the company. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-23-07 09:50 PM Response to Reply #42 |
60. That's not good news. As if we don't have enough corn. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 12:19 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. importing from brasil. It is ridiculously expensive to make it from corn. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 12:20 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. We will make a lot too, but if the motive were really to help the planet, electric |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 03:19 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Ethanol came about in a logical way AT FIRST |
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Trailrider1951 (933 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 05:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
40. No, hydrogen is made from H2O, water, but it takes electricity to |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 07:28 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Here's someone taking hydrogen from gasoline. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 01:08 AM Response to Reply #40 |
63. It can be make from water... |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
54. No, from water, if oil wasnt running out, there would no need for |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-23-07 01:34 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Bush's "Freedom Car." Hydrogen from fossil fuels scam. |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. I'm in agreement with everything you've said! nt |
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gilpo (601 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. How 'bout a compressed air/electric hybrid.... |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
66. My last comment remark # 59, lists a slew of alternative cars, and I imagine that one of them does |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 01:27 AM Response to Reply #1 |
64. Ultracapacitors will enable practical all-electric cars |
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Mist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
2. This is the pic from the article: |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
3. Finally |
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BrotherBuzz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:50 PM Response to Reply #3 |
13. A foot pump? |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
8. At the plant I work at, we've been instituting energy-saving policies |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:50 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Can you explain that? SO what is the cost of the air compression? |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. The plant is spending over $25,000 per month on electricity |
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bluerum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #12 |
25. It takes energy (work) to compress any gas. Google the ideal gas law: pv=nrt |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 07:03 PM Response to Reply #12 |
43. Compressing air makes it very hot. |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. I know Biden introduced - and got passed - a bill to fund lithium ion battery |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
9. K & R |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Thanks for the kick and r. n/t |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
14. How fast does it go? |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:11 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. Engines will top out at 50 Km an hour |
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Mugu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:30 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. I think that you have the math backwards. |
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Esra Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:40 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. 50 kmh is about 33 mph |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Sorry about that. It'sbeen twenty years since being in Europe |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
17. Not to burst your bubble, but your link is from 2000 |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. I believe the link here regarding cars in India is more current |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 04:14 PM Response to Reply #17 |
34. This has been posted here a dozen times or so |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
19. I bet it sounds like a bunch of little farts when it is running. |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
22. No mention of the pressure required in the tanks for this 120 mile range |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:15 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Here is a more up to date URL link: http://tinyurl.com/2w4zs9 |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:35 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. 50 kph=31mph. And the thing has a range of... |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
24. BTW the cost of re-filling the air tank(s) would be about $ 3 |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
26. This is essentially an electric vehicle, with air tanks instead of batteries |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 04:16 PM Response to Reply #26 |
37. Good point |
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aint_no_life_nowhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 07:22 PM Response to Reply #26 |
44. I think the principle of its engine is similar to an internal combustion engine |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 08:03 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. I wasn't referring to the vehicle power plant, though I could have worded it better |
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aint_no_life_nowhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 08:59 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Without the engine heat generated by burning gasoline |
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Mugu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
29. If the car is powered by compressed air, |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
32. AutoblogGreen Q&A: Miguel Celades, sales manager of MDI (they make the Air Car) |
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sailor65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
33. It's already been evaluated here |
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SergeyDovlatov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
35. so, air is used as a store of energy, but ... |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 08:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
49. Well I envision a future wherein the hour |
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SergeyDovlatov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:46 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Sweet. Humanpower for the win! |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:25 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. I consider that where we are now w/ Regards to energy the equivalent of the wierd thing |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
36. Video from the Discovery Channel |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
38. I would venture to guess that a tank of compressed air is more dangerous |
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ShaneGR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
39. Well, one of the main problems with the car is safety... |
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Yukari Yakumo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 07:23 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. An added bonus. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
41. There is no such thing as a free lunch; it takes energy to compress air...nt |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 07:30 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Run the compressor using solar, wind, geo thermal. |
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Yukari Yakumo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 07:40 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Not everywhere has a steafy supply of those |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 08:00 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. You have a lot of hydrocarbon energy |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:38 PM Response to Reply #48 |
57. then you will have to rely on the grid, or a hybrid. |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
52. Blowhard politicians |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-23-07 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
59. After googling the system for a while I found some other far out cars |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
67. Same Reason Europe Get's Better Mileage from the Same Cars |
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MiniMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
68. After reading your updated link, it seems it is still not on sale anywhere |
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