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laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 12:21 PM
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9/11 Commission Chairman: ‘No Question’ CIA Attempted ‘To Impede Our Investigation’
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This morning on CNN, 9/11 Commission Chairman Thomas Kean there is “no question” the CIA was aware that its now-destroyed videotapes depicting severe interrogations were among evidence being sought by 9/11 Commission investigators, and the destruction of the tapes was an attempt to “impede our investigation”:

"We asked for every single thing that they had. And then my vice chairman, Lee Hamilton, looked the director of the CIA in the face, and said, Look, even if we haven’t asked for something, if it’s pertinent to our investigation, make it available to us. And our staff asked again and again of their staff and the tapes were not given to us. So, there was no question.<…>

"I mean, no question that we again and again and again asked for everything, and we needed it, and we weren’t given it. And so, the only conclusion we can draw is it was withheld from us. And that can only be seen to me as an attempt to impede our investigation."

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http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/24/kean-cia-tapes/
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 12:23 PM
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1. Question
Was that the interrogation tapes, or the full 9/11 investigation?

If that is the case, and it was the 9/11 investigation they were 'Impeding'
then we know they are hiding something big on what happened that day...and my guess
is that they were behind the whole thing......:hi:
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 12:28 PM
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3. 9/11 could not have occured without inside help. Jeb Bush is a key player in 9/11.
Edited on Mon Dec-24-07 12:28 PM by Wizard777
The terrorists trained in florida and George Bush was also in Florida on that day. If it was found that George Bush was part of the 9/11 conspiracy. An arrest warrant would have been issued for him. His brother the Governor of Florida could have refused to extradict him. It was a fail safe.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 12:49 PM
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7. Esp. as Jeb had enacted
a state of emergency in Florida on Sept 7th that gave him extra powers.

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benld74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 12:27 PM
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2. YA CALL THAT AN INVESTIGATION?
I call it piss poor work myself. Looking for another scapegoat to hang the blame on, per usual
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 09:17 PM
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18. I refer to it as the Whitewash Commission nt
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 12:34 PM
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4. Neither Bush nor Cheney testified under oath or on the record
They were unwilling to testify alone.

If that wasn't a tip-off that some serious coverup was underway, nothing was.

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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 01:00 PM
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8. Plus with warrantless wiretapping
Edited on Mon Dec-24-07 01:02 PM by CJCRANE
Bush-Cheney are allowed to listen in to whoever they want with no oversight. But *they* have executive privelege and "national security" which prevents anyone looking into *their communications*.

It's the perfect cover-up. (It's the old paradox of "who watches the watchmen?*").

On edit: *of course it's meant to be Congress but it's pretty difficult when the WH is an informational black-hole.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 08:05 PM
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14. Ding Ding we have a winner
Truth will out
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RufusEarl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 12:39 PM
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5. Another question! what did videotapes depicting severe
interrogations have to do with 9-11? Did the 9-11 commission no about the videotapes? I don't think so, now all the tin foil hats can go back on about what really happened on 9-11 and did the CIA have anything to do with that dark day in american history?

I have to believe that someone has a copy of that tape, the CIA never gets rid of everything. It may be what their holding over the heads of those in the WH, of course this is all conjecture on my part.

But the 9-11 commission never resolved what happened on that day to my satisfaction, maybe something was said on that tape that brings into play what the CIA knew and when it knew it.

Peace!
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dantyrant Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 12:47 PM
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6. From Gerald Posner:


On December 5, the CIA's director, General Michael V. Hayden, issued a statement disclosing that in 2005 at least two videotapes of interrogations with al Qaeda prisoners were destroyed. The tapes, which the CIA did not provide to either the 9/11 Commission, nor to a federal court in the case of Zacarias Moussaoui, were destroyed, claimed Hayden, to protect the safety of undercover operatives.

Hayden did not disclose one of the al Qaeda suspects whose tapes were destroyed. But he did identify the other. It was Abu Zubaydah, the top ranking terror suspect when he was tracked and captured in Pakistan in 2003. In September 2006, at a press conference in which he defended American interrogation techniques, President Bush also mentioned Abu Zubaydah by name. Bush acknowledged that Zubaydah, who was wounded when captured, did not initially cooperate with his interrogators, but that eventually when he did talk, his information was, according to Bush, "quite important."

In my 2003 New York Times bestseller, Why America Slept: The Failure to Prevent 9/11, I discussed Abu Zubaydah at length in Chapter 19, "The Interrogation." There I set forth how Zubaydah initially refused to help his American captors. Also, disclosed was how U.S. intelligence established a so-called "fake flag" operation, in which the wounded Zubaydah was transferred to Afghanistan under the ruse that he had actually been turned over to the Saudis. The Saudis had him on a wanted list, and the Americans believed that Zubaydah, fearful of torture and death at the hands of the Saudis, would start talking when confronted by U.S. agents playing the role of Saudi intelligence officers.

Instead, when confronted by his "Saudi" interrogators, Zubaydah showed no fear. Instead, according to the two U.S. intelligence sources that provided me the details, he seemed relieved. The man who had been reluctant to even confirm his identity to his U.S. captors, suddenly talked animatedly. He was happy to see them, he said, because he feared the Americans would kill him. He then asked his interrogators to call a senior member of the Saudi royal family. And Zubaydah provided a private home number and a cell phone number from memory. "He will tell you what to do," Zubaydah assured them

That man was Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul-Aziz, one of King Fahd's nephews, and the chairman of the largest Saudi publishing empire. Later, American investigators would determine that Prince Ahmed had been in the U.S. on 9/11.

American interrogators used painkillers to induce Zubaydah to talk -- they gave him the meds when he cooperated, and withdrew them when he was quiet. They also utilized a thiopental sodium drip (a so-called truth serum). Several hours after he first fingered Prince Ahmed, his captors challenged the information, and said that since he had disparaged the Saudi royal family, he would be executed. It was at that point that some of the secrets of 9/11 came pouring out. In a short monologue, that one investigator told me was the "Rosetta Stone" of 9/11, Zubaydah laid out details of how he and the al Qaeda hierarchy had been supported at high levels inside the Saudi and Pakistan governments.

He named two other Saudi princes, and also the chief of Pakistan's air force, as his major contacts. Moreover, he stunned his interrogators, by charging that two of the men, the King's nephew, and the Pakistani Air Force chief, knew a major terror operation was planned for America on 9/11.

It would be nice to further investigate the men named by Zubaydah, but that is not possible. All four identified by Zubaydah are now dead. As for the three Saudi princes, the King's 43-year-old nephew, Prince Ahmed, died of either a heart attack or blood clot, depending on which report you believe, after having liposuction in Riyadh's top hospital; the second, 41-year-old Prince Sultan bin Faisal bin Turki al-Saud, died the following day in a one car accident, on his way to the funeral of Prince Ahmed; and one week later, the third Saudi prince named by Zubaydah, 25-year-old Prince Fahd bin Turki bin Saud al-Kabir, died, according to the Saudi Royal Court, "of thirst." The head of Pakistan's Air Force, Mushaf Ali Mir, was the last to go. He died, together with his wife and fifteen of his top aides, when his plane blew up -- suspected as sabotage -- in February 2003. Pakistan's investigation of the explosion -- if one was even done -- has never been made public.

Zubaydah is the only top al Queda operative who has secretly linked two of America's closest allies in the war on terror -- Saudi Arabia and Pakistan -- to the 9/11 attacks. Why does Bush, and the CIA, continue to protect the Saudi Royal family and the Pakistani military, from the implications of Zubaydah's confessions? It is, or course, because the Bush administration desperately needs Pakistani and Saudi help, not only to keep Afghanistan from spinning completely out of control, but also as counterweights to the growing power of Iran. The Sunni governments in Riyadh and Islamabad have as much to fear from a resurgent Iran as does the Bush administration. But does this mean that leads about the origins of 9/11 should not be aggressively pursued? Of course not. But this is precisely what the Bush administration is doing. And now the cover-up is enhanced by the CIA's destruction of Zubaydah's interrogation tapes.

The American public deserves no less than the complete truth about 9/11. And those CIA officials now complicit in hiding the truth by destroying key evidence should be held responsible. HuffPo

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RufusEarl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 01:53 PM
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9. Thanks, that answered my question!
Peace!
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noise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 02:26 PM
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10. Maybe Zubaydah didn't say any of this
I'm not saying the Saudi Princes and the Pakistani Air Force Chief weren't involved in 9/11. Perhaps they knew too much and thus other powerful people felt they should be killed. But does it make sense for Zubaydah to have contact with such high profile people? IMO it does not.
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dantyrant Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 07:59 PM
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13. Well, you offer no explanation of how you come to your conclusion...
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noise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 08:38 PM
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16. That is a very interesting thread
Why would Zubaydah have such high level contacts? Why would the Princes and the Pakistani Air Force Chief have been willing to associate directly with him?

Other sources (like FBI's Dan Coleman) have said that Zubaydah's importance was overstated and he appeared to be mentally unstable (possible split personality).

Posner's sources are a high level executive branch official and a CIA official. Unnamed sources from Bush executive branch and CIA? Any reason they should be given the benefit of the doubt?

Suskind's book suggests Zubaydah's importance was inflated so Bush wouldn't look stupid:

One example out of many comes in Ron Suskind's gripping narrative of what the White House has celebrated as one of the war's major victories: the capture of Abu Zubaydah in Pakistan in March 2002. Described as al-Qaeda's chief of operations even after U.S. and Pakistani forces kicked down his door in Faisalabad, the Saudi-born jihadist was the first al-Qaeda detainee to be shipped to a secret prison abroad. Suskind shatters the official story line here.

Abu Zubaydah, his captors discovered, turned out to be mentally ill and nothing like the pivotal figure they supposed him to be. CIA and FBI analysts, poring over a diary he kept for more than a decade, found entries "in the voice of three people: Hani 1, Hani 2, and Hani 3" -- a boy, a young man and a middle-aged alter ego. All three recorded in numbing detail "what people ate, or wore, or trifling things they said." Dan Coleman, then the FBI's top al-Qaeda analyst, told a senior bureau official, "This guy is insane, certifiable, split personality."

Abu Zubaydah also appeared to know nothing about terrorist operations; rather, he was al-Qaeda's go-to guy for minor logistics -- travel for wives and children and the like. That judgment was "echoed at the top of CIA and was, of course, briefed to the President and Vice President," Suskind writes. And yet somehow, in a speech delivered two weeks later, President Bush portrayed Abu Zubaydah as "one of the top operatives plotting and planning death and destruction on the United States." And over the months to come, under White House and Justice Department direction, the CIA would make him its first test subject for harsh interrogation techniques.


"I said he was important," Bush reportedly told Tenet at one of their daily meetings. "You're not going to let me lose face on this, are you?" "No sir, Mr. President," Tenet replied.

LINK
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dantyrant Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 09:09 PM
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17. Interesting...
I agree, it's hard to reconcile these two accounts with each other. If we are to believe that Abu Zubaydah had been one of the mujihadeen network, we can assume that he would have had contacts with either Saudi Intelligence or the ISI, for it is through these groups that the CIA managed the mujihadeen fighters.

On the other hand, it's possible for Zubaydah to have been a psychotic AND still have those connections to high-level officials, if only because intelligence agencies find such people useful. And on what basis was this determination of 'insanity' made? Was it after he'd been drugged and tortured? Perhaps its easier to dismiss what he revealed by labelling as such?

Your point is well taken -- it's hard to know what's real and what is disinformation here. I don't know what to believe either, but I do believe that this is an issue that Bush is afraid of.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 02:33 PM
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12. I think the BIGGEST point here is that SAUDIS & Pakistanis
had knowledge of 911...and Saddam Hussein was not involved at all

the whole Iraq war is a LIE

and the real culprits are the Saudis who were protected By the Bush Crime family

Shock was planned to make Americans like sheep to the slaughter

They FAILED

We are not sheep
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 02:32 PM
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11. Well that's one very, very large issue
The other is, what else are they hiding?
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 08:12 PM
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15.  The entire 9/11 was one hug lie
They couldn't wait to get rid of the fallen towers and all the evidence , that alone it something really wrong . Freaks , I hope Rudy falls through some crack there and goes all the way to hell if hell exists in the biblical sense .
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