The Bagpipes of France?

[Xipe Totec]

Yes!

Bagad de Lann Bihoue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIznjBGSGnQ

A Christmas eve present for Celts, wherever dispersed...

[annabanana]

1. Thanks! (not a Celt, but appreciate the racket all the same.). . .n/t

[Xipe Totec]

2. Now that's what I call joyful music!

:bounce:

[acmavm]

3. Oh yes, French bagpipes. Did you know that the 'Fitz' in the names

Fitzpatrick and Fitzgerald (or Fitz anything for that matter is French?) Norman actually. So you can trace the ancestors of the current Fitzgeralds and Fitzpatrick's back to the Viking invaders.

[Xipe Totec]

7. I did not know that

Thanks!

[sarge43]

10. It means 'son of'

Henry II of England was known as Henry FitzEmpress because mom was once the wife of an emperor of the Holy Roman Empire. His father was a mere count of Anjou, so kind of a title bump.

[okasha]

17. Variation of "fils."

n/t

[RainDog]

12. maybe a little further to the south?

the vikings were in scandanavia. the first archeological record of celts was in 400 bc when they overthrew the etruscans in northern italy - the celts were in the alps. they also migrated west to France and south to India.

they were also known to live around the black sea and followed rivers to the west. they were the Galatians in Turkey, too. picts and irish and lots of diff. gallic tribes in western europe were all part of the same celtic group that migrated or not.

[acmavm]

18. No. From what I have been able to find out it came into Ireland with the

English under Henry II. Henry was a Plantagenet, a descendent of William the Conqueror who was a Norman. Norman is short for 'Norseman'.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

20. The Vikings who settled in northern France underwent a quick transformation

At first, Viking men were pillaging the northern French countryside all the way up the Seine to Paris. But their momentum began to run out, as the Frankish people starting developing stronger defenses and as the Vikings themselves began to get seduced by the richer environment than the one they found in Scandanavia. They struck a deal with the French King who gave them Normandy in exchange for peace, their adoption of Christianity, and their recognition of the rule of the French King. They stopped their marauding ways and settled down, adopted the French language and culture, became Christians, took French wives, and even ruled over the local French who were already there (the Vikings had settlements isolated among French settlements in Normandy). Since most of them were men, they had no choice but to intermarry with the French, which was quick to change them forever. Normandy was not empty of people at the time and the Vikings ended up mixing in with the local population.

Ireland also had a wave of Viking invasions and those Vikings also were quickly absorbed into the local population.

[acmavm]

21. Yeah, that's pretty much what everything I've reads indicates as well.

[RainDog]

22. what dates are you talking about?

after the fall of Rome when Visigoths were taking the empire? I'm talking about pre-barbarian invasions of Rome, which is even before Viking invasions of Gallic Celt land. Gallic Celts were already in the region now known as France, Belgium, etc. in 400 bc. Rome fell AD - about 300/400 AD is considered the final collapse. Ceasar's memoirs of The Gallic Wars talks about his fights with the Gallic Celts, the Belgae, Parisii, Helvetii and Aquitani. These were people who had migrated from the balkins/black sea/turky northwest up the Danube. Druids, or a priestly class, were part of Gallic Celt culture and their religion, not Nordic gods, was transferred in the migrations to Scotland and Ireland, Wales, etc. You can google this history and it will be verified over and over. The archeological evidence supports this western migration. This was an iron age culture.

here's one source via about.com concerning the history of the celts, but you can find many that say this exact same thing.

Around 1500-1000BC, the Celts lived in an area which today is mostly in Eastern France. The area stretched from roughly where Luxemburg is today to a bit further south than Geneva and took in parts of modern day West Germany and Switzerland. It was an area a little bigger than the island of Ireland.

The Celts then expanded to cover an area covering most of Western Europe and Central Europe. Around 400BC, the Celts lived in what is now called Britain, Ireland, France (i.e. Gaul), Luxemburg, Belgium, Switzerland, Austria, and the Czech and Slovak Republics. Celts also lived in parts of Spain (notable Galicia), northern Italy, The Netherlands, the southern half of Germany, and parts of Poland and Russia (source: "The Story of English", Faber and Faber; BBC books 1992).

After the height of their power, the Celts (the first Indo-European group to spread across Europe) were pushed north and west by sucessive waves of Indo-European peoples, notably Germanic and Latin based. The main migration was by the Galli or Gauls into France, northern Italy and the north of Europe.

from wiki about Gallic (Gaulic, Gaelic) Celts-

The Gauls were Celts which was a word coined in the 17th century to describe the people that inhabited the British Isle and Gaul which not only consisted of France but parts of spain and northern Italy....Three tribes of Gauls crossed over from Thrace to Asia Minor at the express invitation of Nicomedes I, king of Bithynia, who required help in a dynastic struggle against his brother. Eventually they settled down in eastern Phrygia and Cappadocia in central Anatolia, a region henceforth known as Galatia.

-this, again, was BC. 74-ish BC. check it out via Encyclopedia Brittanica.

as noted before, they migrated west. they were not vikings. the norsemen or normans were far later than the celts, defeated them and made themselves an aristocratic class but intermarried with the celts remaining in the area -many had already migrated to Great Brit. These were the normans that comprised The Normandy Invasion - but the Normans were not celts as a group unto themselves. Again, the celts, as ceasar and others described, had their own culture(s). The Normans occupied France in 800s AD. They eventually took over areas in what would now be considered Turkey.

maybe we're simply talking about time differences. normans were credited with medieval conquest, but not with populating what is now western europe beyond Germany.

think that might be the difference?

[enid602]

4. Gallegos

There are also bagpipes in Galicia, which straddles Spain and Portugal. Lots of people with red hair. Lots of Gallegos emmigrated to Argentina; hence the bagpipe/accordian-like sound found in many classic tangos.

[Xipe Totec]

5. I know; they are fantastic!

Susana Seivane and Carlos Nuñez are to bagpipes what Janis Joplin and Jimmy Hendrix were to Rock!

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

14. Galicia probably has its origin in the word "Gaul" from the Latin gallus or galli

as does Wales I believe (in French, Wales is known as Pays de Galles). And then there's Galway in Ireland and the Gaelic tongue. And in Spanish, the word for rooster is gallo, and the rooster was the principal symbol of the Gauls. I think that the word Gaul (gallus, galli) is a Roman word and that Keltoi (Celt) was the Greek word for the people living in western Europe which we know as the Celts. In France, the celtic origins are very strong in Britany and also in some of the less populated central parts of the country like Auvergne and Ardeche. When I visited Ardeche as a kid many years ago, I heard some very strange local language that wasn't at all French being spoken by the old timers.

[Xipe Totec]

6. If you don't like bagpipes, how about some drums?

Bagad Lann Bihoué Solo de batterie 2007

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD8Qs7YZhIQ


:bounce:

[sarge43]

8. The first record (pardon the pun) of bagpipes may be found in

Ancient Egypt. They're also very common in Eastern Europe, probably where the Celts ran across them.

[Xipe Totec]

9. I have a Soviet recording

of Estonian bagpipes.

They sound like a bag of cats clubbed with pipes.

Maybe that's what happened to the sacred Egyptian felines?

:evilgrin:

[sarge43]

11. Snerk! n/t

[alfredo]

13. I remember going to a party up in the mountains of Eastern Ky. We drank

ourselves into a stupor and slept where we fell. In the morning we were awoken by a guy up on a ridge playing the pipes.


They never found the body.

[Xipe Totec]

15. Is this the guy?

I always wondered what happened to him....


Bagpipes at the top of Half Dome
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKkaYIfdLPQ


Now I know...

[alfredo]

16. The bagpipes and drums busking is very good too.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

19. Magnificent Xipe Totec, thank you :)

A brother, uncle and cousin all played together in a pipe band here. If there's a music hardwired to my brainstem, it's the pipes.

Happy Krimble! :hi: :hug: :pals:

[Elidor]

23. Bagpipes and History!

Threads like this are one of the reasons I still enjoy DU.

I can't listen to bagpipes right now. They usually make me cry for some reason. They speak to something deep inside, some ineffable je ne sais quois. My stepfather played a bagpipe CD for me once, and I was reduced to a blubbering mass in front of my parents.

[Xipe Totec]

24. Imagine how I felt

when they visited the land of the cactus...



Lann-Bihoué de Francia en México 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udb0IBlxkzU

[Elidor]

26. Thanks for the link

:)

[burrowowl]

25. Brittany in France and Galica in Spain are

Celtic and if you rear the Authurian legends he was in Brittany alot!
On edit: the Normands are Norsemen, viking types that came over from England.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

27. Go raibh mile maith agat - May you have a thousand good things!

[hayu_lol]

28. Pipes of all types are very ancient instruments...

also the country double-oboes of Spain.

Basque country has both in abundance.