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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 08:48 AM Original message |
The Crisis of Confidence (Plame #5) |
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texpatriot2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
1. Thanks H2O Man for this thread nm |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
2. Ah, my next recommend. |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
3. Divide and conquer |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 09:59 AM Response to Reply #3 |
16. It is. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 07:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
76. When we see the worldly-wise good guys outsmarting the |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
4. I Whooped With Joy |
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cassiepriam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 08:59 AM Response to Original message |
5. This is what I said all along when people were angry with Fitz. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
6. I think the media did this nation a disservice when they talked about 9-11 in religious terms |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 09:47 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. A Mark Twain quote ...... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 09:59 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Amazing for its insight - horrifying in its reality. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 10:07 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. We remember LBJ |
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TacticalPeek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 10:51 AM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Clairvoyant in its reference to 'our fifty State Legislatures'. |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 03:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
60. Precognitive, more like it. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 07:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
77. I didn't know they did that! Truly, the more you find out about them, the more improbably |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 09:03 AM Response to Original message |
7. This Is How Fitz Got George Ryan |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
8. Thanks for this, H20 Man. Please post links to parts 1-4. |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 09:45 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. You'll Find Most Of Them In The Research Forum |
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rosesaylavee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 09:13 PM Response to Reply #11 |
83. All of these threads to date (1-5) |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
9. So Ari Talked To Russert? |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 09:42 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. I know that Ari |
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bleever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 12:43 PM Response to Reply #10 |
40. David Gregory |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 01:07 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. I think it might be. |
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cassiepriam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
13. The story so far: Libby adores Cheney. Cheney loves Libby. Rove very bad man |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
14. Scooters' Tragic Innocence |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
18. The high-quality reporting |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 10:25 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. And for court documents, |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
20. If you were Cheney and if you, as Cheney, were most interested |
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Pithy Cherub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
22. How does Wells defend the indefensible? |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:00 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. There is a danger |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:11 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Sounds like Grossman is having lots of memory problems? |
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Pithy Cherub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:36 AM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Ya gotta go with the lame excuse you have |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:09 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Wow that was a pretty nice summation. |
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Pithy Cherub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:42 AM Response to Reply #25 |
31. My interest in the jury |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. I think that people |
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Pithy Cherub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. My concern was people who were saying |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. John Dean running through my head, too --authoritarianism |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Good point. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 12:28 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Yes, I was referring to Dean's book |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 08:05 PM Response to Reply #31 |
79. Don't clarify Libby's position to him too much, Pithy! Tee hee. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 08:03 PM Response to Reply #25 |
78. So is that! |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
24. "He took his vacations in Wyoming so he could be near (Cheney). He even took up hunting." |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
27. K&R! |
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La_Fourmi_Rouge (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
28. A Shakespearean Plot... |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:39 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. In July '05 |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 08:07 PM Response to Reply #28 |
80. Truly, "matters of great pith and moment", as I believe the Bard put it.! |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
32. MSNBC: David Shuster |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:46 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. More Please |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:53 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Scooter had |
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La_Fourmi_Rouge (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 12:55 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Scooter pulled Grenier out of a meeting, also. |
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TacticalPeek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 01:49 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. "I'm thinking Scooter wishes he had pled out about a year-and-a-half ago." |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 01:51 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. The plea deal offered |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 02:06 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. I also think he would have had to give up Cheney. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 02:10 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. You do wonder what Libby is thinking, don't you? n/t |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 02:42 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Murray Waas: Observers say: Libby Lawyers Signaling for Pardon? |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Yes, why didn't he take a deal? |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 03:11 PM Response to Reply #46 |
57. I Think They All Thought They Were Too Smart By Half |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Thanks, me. |
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DemReadingDU (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Scooter probably thinks he will be rescued with a pardon |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 08:19 PM Response to Reply #47 |
81. You obviously all know what you're talking about, but I find it stunning |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 09:12 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Due Respect But What Are You Talking About |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-25-07 05:47 AM Response to Reply #82 |
90. I agree. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-25-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. It's the possibility H2O; in the longer term, others will escape punishment. |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-25-07 05:58 AM Response to Reply #82 |
91. It is considered improper |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-25-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #91 |
95. "....he did it sparingly and only at the end of his term." |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-25-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #82 |
93. If it is enshrined in the Constitution, then I'm sorry, but that was one area |
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La_Fourmi_Rouge (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 10:18 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. I do understand your sentiments, but... |
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democrank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
43. Another thank-you for this, H20 Man. |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
50. Marc Grossman: |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 02:53 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Good UK Guardian article confirms Grossman's meeting w ISI Director: |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 04:51 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. You can find that info in several sources such |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
51. OK so based on Ari's immunized GJ testimony I'm revising my implicated persons list. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Dick Cheney. |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. Well DUH! |
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troubleinwinter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
53. As always, thank you, H2O Man. |
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DearAbby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
56. It is a real treat reading the transcripts of the trial |
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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
61. Interesting testimony from Robert Grenier. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 05:54 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Yes, it is. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
64. H20 Man did you see this Salon Article from Libby's childhood friend |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:36 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. I saw it. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:40 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. ROFL...I thought the SAME THING...but as with all "Disinformation" |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:53 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Scooter's dark side .... |
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Annces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 07:03 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Better not mess with the deer |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:42 PM Response to Reply #72 |
89. I thought it was a Bear his character was twiddling with...but then |
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Annces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:44 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Interesting article |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 07:10 PM Response to Reply #64 |
73. I Take Issue With This As Being A Matter Of Innocence |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 07:18 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Right. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
65. Do you think the "throw Karl Rove under the Bus" strategy will work |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:44 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. The business with Rove |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 07:13 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. Interesting what you are saying: "Seasoned "Secret Govt" vs "Politico Handlers" |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 09:27 PM Response to Reply #69 |
84. What you say get's into Jason Leopold's reporting and to some extent |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 09:43 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. They're Still Ready To Pounce |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 09:49 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. I hope so too...feeling that Leopold let himself out there to "hang" knowing |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
70. Another great thread |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
88. Can anyone shed light on the advisory members of Libby Defense Trust and what they might think? |
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blondie58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-25-07 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
92. what a soap opera! |
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