What if Al Qaeda is fake? Are we scared of Bushco's Boogeyman?

[NightWatcher]

What if Al- Qaeda is fake?

What if there is no such thing as "Al Qaeda" as we are told to be scared of by Bushco?

The "Commies" were a great enemy in theory because a few of them actually existed. In order for Bushco to obtain the power that they have over the past 6 years, they needed a huge enemy to scare us right out of our common sense and civil rights.
Another thing that always stuck out in my mind was to think back to the term "Al Qaeda". "Al Qaeda" translates to "the base" in English. Who do you know that uses the term "the base"? Wasnt it the mantra of the Rovian-Right to "get out the base"?

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http://www.garlicandgrass.org/issue8/Robert_Sheer.cfm

Is Al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?
By Robert Scheer
Los Angeles Times
Is it conceivable that Al Qaeda, as defined by President Bush as the center of a vast and well-organized international terrorist conspiracy, does not exist?
Consider, for example, that neither the 9-11 commission nor any court of law has been able to directly take evidence from the key post-9-11 terror detainees held by the United States. Everything we know comes from two sides that both have a great stake in exaggerating the threat posed by Al Qaeda: the terrorists themselves and the military and intelligence agencies that have a vested interest in maintaining the facade of an overwhelmingly dangerous enemy.
Such a state of national ignorance about an endless war is, as "The Power of Nightmares" makes clear, simply unacceptable in a functioning democracy.
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http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1207-26.htm

Hyping Terror For Fun, Profit - And Power
by Thom Hartmann

What if there really was no need for much - or even most - of the Cold War? What if, in fact, the Cold War had been kept alive for two decades based on phony WMD threats?
What if, similarly, the War On Terror was largely a scam, and the administration was hyping it to seem larger-than-life? What if our "enemy" represented a real but relatively small threat posed by rogue and criminal groups well outside the mainstream of Islam? What if that hype was done largely to enhance the power, electability, and stature of George W. Bush and Tony Blair?
And what if the world was to discover the most shocking dimensions of these twin deceits - that the same men promulgated them in the 1970s and today?
It happened.
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I also think that it is funny how Bush was able to accomplish what J. Edgar Hoover was only able to wish for.....

http://www.registerguard.com/csp/cms/sites/dt.cms.support.viewStory.cls?cid=40476&sid=5&fid=1

Hoover’s habeas strategy
Published: December 26, 2007 05:01AM

A newly declassified document showing that former FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover had a plan to imprison some 12,000 U.S. citizens he suspected of disloyalty provides an ominous reminder that all Americans have a vital interest in the outcome of the current debate over habeas corpus.
On July 7, 1950, less than two weeks after the start of the Korean War, Hoover sent the Truman White House a plan for detaining thousands of Americans in military prisons to “protect the country against treason, espionage and sabotage.”
Under the plan, Hoover’s agents would carry out the mass arrests, working from a master list of names that the FBI chief had been quietly compiling for years. Prisoners would have the right to an eventual hearing by a board made up of one judge and two citizens, but the hearings would “not be bound by the rules of evidence.”
All Hoover needed to carry out this scheme was a presidential proclamation suspending habeas corpus, the centuries-old legal guarantee that no person can be locked away without a fair and impartial review.

[bullimiami]

1. you can bet your bippy its at least 50% fake. probably more like 75%.

(sp)

[ElsewheresDaughter]

31. more like 75 to 90%

[bullimiami]

32. i was being cautious. youre probably right.

[Lint Head]

2. Al Qaeda is not a fake but was allowed to come into

existence by our CIA. :dem:

[balantz]

3. That makes it "fake" in my view.

Or maybe manufactured or cultivated is better. I think it's possible that Cheney and co. have been manipulating things long before the name Al Qaeda was invented.

[Marrah_G]

4. Why would you think they don't exist?

It's like saying the Nazis weren't real.

Look, Just because Bush is a horrible leader and person does not mean there are not other horrible leaders out there also.

We as Americans tend to look at everything as if the US was the center of the universe.

Not everything bad starts here. The world is not some peaceful utopia that is only violent because of Americans.

[NightWatcher]

5. where is the proof of Al Qaeda?

how many have been detained under suspicion of links to Al Qaeda versus how many "members" of al Q have been tried and convicted?

I know that we have killed the "Al Qaeda #2 guy" about a thousand times, but that doesnt count.

[Marrah_G]

7. The world acknowledges they exist

The Muslim world has never said they don't exist. There are tapes and interviews. There is historic record. There are plenty of dead bodies.

Or are you saying that is all faked?

The world does not revolve around US. Go look at some foriegn website, listen to some foriegn news if you don't believe anything you here in America.

[blondeatlast]

6. aQ is decidedly not fake. Ask anyone with ties to Indai, Afghanistan, or obviously today,

Pakistan.

Interestingly though, the governments of those countries don't benefit from making them an issue the way W and Co., wholly owned subsidiary of Halliburton, do.

But they are decidely real--and fully capable of pulling off this assassination (I'm not saying that they did, though).

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

8. IMHO....Not fake but a very real group created by our CIA. eom

[wildbilln864]

11. ding, ding, ding!

we have a winner! :hi:

[NNN0LHI]

20. That much is in the record

The base was the database that the CIA called the list of Al Qaeda members formerly known as the Afghan Mujahideen that the CIA kept on its payroll to terrorize the Soviets during the 1980's.

Al Qaeda translated from Arabic is The Base.

Don

[Parche]

9. AL Kida

Its actually the Taliban that were originally the 'Freedom' Fighters, that the CIA morphed into
Al-CIAda............

What better tools to have then for the Al-Kida Boogeyman to pop up ever so often........


Even the Reps and Some Senators are 'scared' of this so called group of people

I thought we were the 'Home of the Brave'??

Why are they so 'scared' of them?

[NightWatcher]

12. you mean the mujahideen that fought the Soviets in Afghanistan under Operation Cyclone?

yep, engineered by the cia

[Parche]

21. yup!!

:hi:

[conspirator]

10. Alqaeda is amplified by cheney's speakers nt

[dweller]

13. “This is an impressive crowd --

the haves and the have mores. Some people call you the elite -- I call you my base.” -- George W. Bush


dp

[flashl]

14. I saw this and had to share.

al-CIA-duh!

[laconicsax]

15. So I take it that the

bombing of the Khobar Towers in Riyadh, the thwarted plot to destroy a dozen airliners over the Pacific, the bombing of our embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, and the bombing of the USS Cole were all committed by a fictitious organization?

Which explanation of the lack of terror convictions since the start of the 'war-on-terror' makes the most sense?

1) The RW machine managed to orchestrate a decades-long sequence events designed to provide false evidence that real attacks were carried out by a fictitious organization led by real people (who must also be complicit) to achieve their despotic goals and managed to fool everyone at high levels of government (Clarke, Clinton, etc.), but weren't able to cover their tracks well enough to prevent average people from connecting the dots and figuring it out.

2) * et al. don't give a shit about finding/catching/prosecuting al Qaeda terrorists because it isn't and never was a priority.

[tom_paine]

16. Not fake, real. Built, manufactured and assisted with CIA monies.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,584444,00.html

What do you suppose they were chatting about so amiably in Dubai in July 2001. Oh, to be a fly on that wall!

[RaleighNCDUer]

17. It is absolutely certain that Al Queda exists -

maybe in numbers up to even 3,000 or so.

And maybe another 10,000 who are AQ posers.

There are street gangs in this country that have more real power.

[seemslikeadream]

18. if?

[CJCRANE]

19. ""You are creating a veritable Frankenstein," is what Benazir Bhutto told the first President Bush

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/360300/benazir_bhuttos_frankenstein_another.html

[Perry Logan]

22. Someone should have told Bill Clinton. He put a lot of effort into fighting al Qaeda.

[IsItJustMe]

23. I think Al Qaeda exits, but our perceptions of "what" it actually is has been heavily fertilized

with bull shit from our msm (one of the preferred tools of this administration).

[leftofthedial]

24. al Qaeda is a brand name in the marketing campaign

called "War on Terror"

[dysfunctional press]

25. fake or not- i'm not the least bit scared by al queda.

they are not a part of my life in any way shape or form, and i don't expect them ever to be such, either.

[pinniped]

26. Al-Zarqawi was a damm fake.

There is no way in hell any mortal can escape death that many times.

[NNN0LHI]

28. Especially on one leg

He was everywhere.

Don

[Brundle_Fly]

27. whaddaya mean...

What if.

[bemildred]

29. Al Qaeda is not fake. The news coverage of it is fake. nt

[CGowen]

30. sometimes they admit it

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/07/18/africa/iraq.php

Leader of Al Qaeda group in Iraq was fictional, U.S. military says
By Michael R. Gordon
Published: July 18, 2007

BAGHDAD: For more than a year, the leader of one the most notorious insurgent groups in Iraq was said to be a mysterious Iraqi named Abdullah Rashid al-Baghdadi.

As the titular head of the Islamic State in Iraq, an organization publicly backed by Al Qaeda, Baghdadi issued a steady stream of incendiary pronouncements. Despite claims by Iraqi officials that he had been killed in May, Baghdadi appeared to have persevered unscathed.

On Wednesday, a senior American military spokesman provided a new explanation for Baghdadi's ability to escape attack: He never existed.

...

[JackRiddler]

33. 50% fake/hype/non-existent, 20% constructed after fact, 10% cultivated/created for use, 10% real

My instinctual estimates, but note the categories. "Constructed after the fact" would be how anything that happens is then blamed on some amorphous "al Qaeda".

[Kucinich4America]

34. Does the name "Emmanuel Goldstein" ring any bells?

Now, thanks to Benazir Bhutto, we know that Osama is dead, and has been for a long time. When Chimpy did his about face, 6 months after 9-11 and said that he was "truly not concerned" about Bin Laden's whereabouts, it's because THE GODDAMNED UNELECTED TREASONOUS CRIMINAL SON OF A BITCHING CHIMP BASTARD knew Bin Laden was already dead.

And to admit the truth at that time would have KILLED their plans to invade Iraq.

Bin Laden is dead, the "war on terror" is a FUCKING LIE. Let's end this charade. And I will not vote for any so-called "Democrat" who refuses to deal with that reality.

[timtom]

35. Since 2001

I have been using "al Qaeda" in a mocking and satirical light. It has come to replace my pet phrases, "nazi pig-dog bastard" and "communist dog".

If the dishwasher were to go on the fritz, I would declare that it's no doubt the work of the al Qaeda terrorist network seeking to bring down the evil empire.

Al Qaeda -- just something the real terrorists pulled out of their ass.

And as for bin Laden: I've been saying since about 2004 "He's dead, Jim!"

All on a hunch, of course.