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DemKR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 03:57 PM
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OBAMA ATTACKS: Axelrod (again) blames Hillary for Bhutto's death, Hillary camp Responds
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 03:57 PM by DemKR
It looks like Head Obama adviser David Axelrod is continuing his Karl Rove-style politics.

REPORTER: But looking ahead, does the assassination put on the front burner foreign policy credentials in the closing days?

AXELROD: Well, it puts on the table foreign policy judgment, and that's a discussion we welcome. Barack Obama had the judgment to oppose the war in Iraq, and he warned at the time it would divert us from Afghanistan and al Qaeda, and now we see the effect of that. Al Qaeda's resurgent, they're a powerful force now in Pakistan, they may have been involved -- we've been here, so I don't know whether the news has been updated, but there's a suspicion they may have been involved in this.

I think his judgment was good. Senator Clinton made a different judgment, so let's have that discussion.

David Axelrod sounds very excited about politicizing Bhutto's death!!

Hillary Clinton spokesman Phil Singer responded to the attack:

"This is a time to be focused on the tragedy of the situation, its implications for the U.S. and the world, and to be concerned for the people of Pakistan and the country’s stability. No one should be politicizing this situation with baseless allegations."
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 03:58 PM
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1. You sound pretty excited about politicizing her death as well?
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 04:05 PM by Flabbergasted
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 03:59 PM
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2. good reponse by the Clinton camp
Dang--where are the Obama DU supporters, time to state your opposition to using this as a political tool.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:02 PM
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3. Clinton's campaign is right to focus on the horrific death of the assasination.
Shame on Obama's mouthpiece for saliciously pointing out how he thinks Hillary Clinton's actions led to her death.

Ah.. remember a time when people here on DU actually realized it was Bush's fucked up policies that led to this assasination? And his taking nothing more than a resolution and running to war with it?

It's a very sad day in the world.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:07 PM
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4. everything is politics in axelrod`s world
it was in bad taste to answer that question in those terms. it is a question that should be asked of anyone who supported the wrong war in the wrong place but not at this time.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:09 PM
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5. You are politicizing this event more than the Obama campaign.
And, it's ugly.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:16 PM
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6. They're leaving no feces unflung.
:rofl:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:18 PM
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7. I want to start a greeting card company and hire you as our head writer.
lol

:rofl:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:20 PM
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8. Even before the statements were made,
some here were champing at the bit to post this stuff.

You said it sfexpat, it's ugly.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:25 PM
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9. I guess all that experience qualifies you to set a new low.
If the idea is to turn people off of politics or voting, maybe that's working. Maybe a lower turnout will benefit the Clinton campaign.

I'm very disappointed. It would have been good to back the first viable woman's candidacy in a presidential race.

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:34 PM
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14. It would have been very good.
The historic rise of Speaker Pelosi was also exciting for a number of months, there.

Senator Clinton is at the very bottom of my list.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:43 PM
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17. She doesn't make mine. I've have enough of this theater
that results in NAFTA and the gutting of social services and the end of Labor and in two different criminal justice systems. No guilt on my plate.

I'm perfectly willing to work for progressive candidates, remembering the fable of the ant and the grasshopper.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:25 PM
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10. No class from the Obama camp.
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gaiilonfong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:26 PM
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11. Sorry but Howard Wolfson is ROVE
NOT Axelrod.
Wolfson has been using KKKarl's playbook for the whole campaign.
TOO MUCH!
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:26 PM
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12. Obama should make a public apology to Senator Clinton, and
"here I was wondering who would be the first to blame Clinton. Thought sure it would be pigboy, but it was from alexrod, obama's campaign manager. Wow! I can not believe he said that. Beyond the fact that the problems of resources in Pakistan are not related to Iraq, where was Obama on funding of Iraq and Pakistan for his tenure in the Senate? What did He do? According to Axelrod, is Obama to blame for the Bhutto assassination too? Outrageous stuff from the Obama campaign.

"The Obama campaign is in a panic. Mr. Axelrod's reprehensible statement is meant to deflect the spotlight and rescue his candidate, because as people think about the implications of Benazir Bhutto's assassination one thing comes to mind and it isn't the leadership experience of Barack Obama. But Mr. Axelrod has stepped into it now. Blaming Clinton? This statement is not only beyond the pale, but it is made even more reprehensible, not to mention ridiculous, by Obama's campaign turning from the very serious subjects of Afghanistan-Pakistan-al Qaeda to the pop culture filmmaker Woody Allen, equating the two in a statement that is so ignorant you have to wonder if the Obama camp actually understands the possible ramifications of what happened today. I assure you, it does not come close to resembling or reflecting Woody Allen's wisdom on life. Seriously, the celebrity candidacy of Barack Obama, now threatened by a foreign policy emergency, has slipped into the nonsensical.

It reminds me of what Mr. Obama said himself about Pakistan in September, which now looks equally ignorant." In 2004, Obama said that if president Pervez Musharraf were to lose power in a coup, the United States similarly might have to consider military action in that country: As for Pakistan, Obama said that if President Pervez Musharraf were to lose power in a coup, the United States similarly might have to consider military action in that country to destroy nuclear weapons it already possesses. Musharraf's troops are battling hundreds of well-armed foreign militants and Pakistani tribesmen in increasingly violent confrontations.

"... I think there are elements within Pakistan right now--if Musharraf is overthrown and they took over, I think we would have to consider going in and taking those bombs out, because I don't think we can make the same assumptions about how they calculate risks."

Too bad Mr. Obama isn't listening to Zbig. The ramifications of Mr. Obama's foreign policy ideas, especially on Pakistan send chills down my spine.

Once again, Barack Obama and his campaign not only prove that they are willing to say anything and take any opportunity to point a finger at a fellow Democrat, but they do so revealing their abject amateur status of their own national security thinking.

The politics of hope was always a mirage, but today it revealed what an unmitigated fraud the notion was from the start. It also reminds us all that hope in regions like Pakistan will only get people killed and make the world a more dangerous place through thinking of politicians like Barack Obama who obviously is offering no insight, while hoisting speculative solutions that are in their infancy of formation."Taylor Marsh







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gaiilonfong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:29 PM
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13. Phil Singer TRIANGULATOR extraordinaire! LMAO
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 04:32 PM by gaiilonfong
The Clinton camp doesn't want to talk about it because it REMINDS people of her Neo-Con tendencies.
Of course Bhutto's death will have political implications, but Hillary hasn't had a chance to focus group what, and how she should respond politically. Give them a day, they probably have a focus group meeting right now. They will respond politically very soon!
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:36 PM
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15. Let's see...
Benazir Bhutto was an educated woman who led her country and was running for President (again). Hillary Clinton is an educated woman whose husband led the country and is running for President herself. Yep, blame it all on educated women. If we'd just stay barefoot and pregnant, none of this would have happened.

I'm not a Hillary supporter. But, if this is an example of the people that Obama is surrounding himself with, I'm not going to be an Obama supporter, either.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:36 PM
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16. Actually every person who stood behind or enabled the neocon agenda
are responsible for this assassination. They are responsible for creating and MAINTAINING instability in that region. It is in their political and economic interests to keep these wounds open and festering. Ask a few of our illustrious congress people why they refuse time and time again to shut down this Iraqi debacle. Ask why these people have joined in the construction and implementation of laws to create a less free society here. Ask why they have lined up every time to out salute the facists at the head of the administration. Yes, Hillary's judgement needs to be questioned, as should the judgement of every other person who jumped on the shock and awe bandwagon. Terra makes the world go round.
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:43 PM
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18. Since They Voted To Have Military Action If Needed
and it wasn't needed, and it was a force your hand kind of thing at the time I think this is a ridiculous red herring to be putting out there by Obama :eyes:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:54 PM
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19. GDP and GD
i wish some would just keep their dog's mess in one forum.
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DemKR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:20 PM
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20. It's a 'one-two-punch' style attack from Obama, classic. He's going for a hail mary
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:23 PM
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21. um, weird, but ok
i take it back: you haven't posted on this enough. may i suggest you post this in the Sports Forum as well? :thumbsup:
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DemKR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:28 PM
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22. what's weird about it? This is attack dog politics...Its coming from someone who claims they want to
change it. It's the height of hypocrisy.
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jeffrey_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:29 PM
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23. Where is the quote where he blames her death on Hillary?
I can't seem to find it through the big fishing net that is your text.
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DemKR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:30 PM
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24. He is clearly politicizing the issue....
I see you're not denying that :)
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:31 PM
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25. what does this have to do with global warming?
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DemKR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:33 PM
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26. Dunno. But I think Axelrod's temper has warmed the earth up enough for today :)
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