Do you believe the Corporate polls?

[gowexler]

I am just wondering, with all of their lies over the years....how do we know that the Corporate media is telling the truth about who is winning in the polls?

We know that they do not include Kucinich in many polls, why should we trust their 'results'?

[MADem]

1. Dean will crush all comers in Iowa....Dewey defeats Truman.

The only poll that counts happens on election day.

[MonkeyFunk]

2. and the polls just before Iowa

showed Kerry on top.

In the last election, all the regular polls were right within the margin of error.

The notion that polling is usually wrong - often by design - is just ludicrous.

[book_worm]

3. I have to agree with you on that

people always use Dewey vs. Truman but that was almost sixty years ago. The pollsters actually stopped polling weeks before the election becuz they thought it was going to be a blow-out for Dewey, so they missed the Truman surge in the final weeks. But on the whole most polls usually get it about right or at least within the margin of error. Iowa for instance is very close.

[gowexler]

4. yet people still believe the exit polls were the complete reverse of the election results 2004

I think the exit polls were correct, but I don't believe the Corporate media in general. With GOOD REASON!

[Libby2]

19. I believe the exit polls were correct too.

[Peace 2008]

22. we are supposed to pretend the exit polls were wrong

which seem more accurate as they are the people actually voting

but we should trust the corporate media polls, the same liars who pushed the war in Iraq, Iran, covered up Bush's lies all these years....

[MADem]

15. And no one believed them!

Some polls skew one way or the other, but if you take that system where they throw all of them on a graph, it usually comes out pretty much on the money.

[Drunken Irishman]

6. Except Dean's lead was erased in the polls leading up to Iowa.

I remember having a near breakdown watching the daily polls show Dean's lead go from double digits, to single digits, to nothing. I remember the final Des Moines Register poll (which should be released the day before, or the day of, the caucus) showing Dean behind both Kerry and Edwards. And that's exactly what happened.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-01-18-iowa-poll_x.htm

[MADem]

14. And people were saying those polls were bullshit, that he had enough momentum, that they

didn't reflect what was actually happening "on the ground" and that he and his team of orange hats were gonna pull it off...that is why the Dean Scream was news--if he'd been a genuine has-been, it wouldn't have mattered so much.

[Double T]

5. No, I don't believe the corporate polls.

There are twice as many cell phone users as land line telephone users; the cell phone users aren't getting the calls from the corporate polling organizations.

[Drunken Irishman]

7. This was my thought too in 2004.

The days leading up to the Iowa Caucus, I was on a Dean message board freaking out because the last poll showed Dean down to Kerry and Edwards. They assured me that this poll was bunk because it ignored cell phone users and people without phones at all, or generally, the younger population -- who many thought were the foundation to Dean's campaign. I believed them, probably because I couldn't fathom a loss.

Well the caucus came and Dean finished the exact spot the final poll had him finishing: 3rd, behind Edwards and the winner, Kerry.

So while cell phones do play a big part, I'm not sure it's big enough to throw off the polls we're seeing.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

8. Welcome to DU!

and no, I don't believe polls.

[gowexler]

9. Thanks!

I'm planning on ignoring them and praying for a miracle.

[goddess40]

10. Only to the point that it influences stupid people to vote a certain way

Too many people want to vote for the winner instead of taking the time to find out what the hell is going on and making an informed choice. (Present company excluded of course)

Edit: I wish I could spell

[gowexler]

11. Only 10% or so bother to vote in the primary

and it seems like that 10% would be the more engaged and intelligent voter...so Kucinich will win.

[gowexler]

12. How do we know Kerry really won the primaries?

They may have faked the polls which suddenly changed in his favor- then rigged the primary.

[bemildred]

13. I don't believe in any polls.

It's just a statistical sample, and statistical samples don't mean squat unless your methodology is impeccable, and there is no way to do impeccable sampling over the phone.

[Perry Logan]

16. "Corporate" seems to be the new buzzword here. The party line is "corporate = bad," right?

[Skidmore]

17. Perry, discussions of corporate influence have been conducted on DU

for several years now. Sorry if you weren't paying attention. Were you a lobbyist in a past life or something?

[onenote]

18. "we know that they do not include Kucinich in many polls"???

What you've demonstrated is that you don't know what you're talking about.

Here's a list of polls that include DK:

ABC News/Washington Post
Reuters/Zogby
USA Today/Gallup
NBC News/Wall Street Journal
Fox News/Opinion Dynamics
CNN/Opinion Research
CBS News/NY Times
LA Times/Bloomberg
ARG
Diageo/Hotline
Newsweek
AP/Pew Research
WNBC/Marist
Cook Political Report/RT Strategies
Quinnipac

http://pollingreport.com/wh08dem.htm

A suggestion: Check your facts before posting.

[Peace 2008]

20. maybe they are lying

I read about someone on DU who received a call that did not include Kucinich.

[onenote]

23. Wow, one person on DU claiming that they got a call from some polling group

(not sure if it was identified) that didn't include Kucinich, and that means the long list of polling organizations listed are lying, and DK isn't complaining about it.

Yep, that's the ticket, as Jon Lovitz used to say.

[EFerrari]

21. No -- except insofar as I believe someone has paid for their message.

That's good information to have in hand.

[Uncle Joe]

24. No, if they're going to lie about he news in general, and I believe they have been

for a long time, whether it's a deliberate falsehood, one sided spin or the sin of omission, I don't see why they wouldn't lie about the polls.

I also agree with the poster up thread, that they use the polls more to condition the American People to vote a certain way, and focus on the horse race rather than enlighten the people as to what the full scope of the issues are and the candidates plans for addressing them. I believe they use the polls as just another tool for brain washing the people, it's their bell to our Pavlov's dog.

This may have nothing to do with polls, but how much coverage did they give to the FCC's recent act of blatantly overriding the will of the people and the public good by allowing more media acquisitions by television stations owning local newspapers, they soft pedaled it, if they was covered it at all. They knew the quality of information or news would go down, they just didn't give a damn, because it was in their corporate interest.

I believe any poll they spit out, should be taken with a grain of salt the size of a boulder and I believe your first thought should be "how does this benefit that news organization or their parent corporation"? Until the American People can do that on a consistent basis, we will continue to be their dogs, slobbering at the mouth and drinking from their toilet.

[Sultana]

25. NO

it's too much and ppl in DU take them too seriously.:eyes: