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Buzz Clik
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Sat Dec-29-07 10:58 AM Original message |
About Bhutto's death: Here's the exact words of a photographer who was there. |
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rodeodance
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Sat Dec-29-07 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
1. perhaps she ducked upon hearing the shots and hit her head (did not have |
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Buzz Clik
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Sat Dec-29-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Yes, she could have, but falling or ducking under only her own weight... |
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TwilightGardener
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Sat Dec-29-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #2 |
11. No--she was only shoulder-high above the sunroof. Doesn't make sense |
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Satyagrahi
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Sat Dec-29-07 11:42 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. It was the force of the shock wave of the blast that slammed her head |
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kestrel91316
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Sat Dec-29-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I don't understand WHY people are having such difficulty |
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TwilightGardener
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Sat Dec-29-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. I don't think there's anything wrong with having suspicions, when the |
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kestrel91316
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Sat Dec-29-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #16 |
32. I don't even necessarily agree that the story has been "changed". |
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TwilightGardener
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Sat Dec-29-07 12:33 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. So...witnesses next to her in the car that say she was shot in the neck, because they |
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Buzz Clik
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Sat Dec-29-07 12:43 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. My point exactly. |
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Pathwalker
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Sat Dec-29-07 05:06 PM Response to Reply #35 |
49. The Government's version robs her of "Martyr status". |
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orleans
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Sun Dec-30-07 03:16 AM Response to Reply #49 |
80. EXACTLY! n/r |
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Buzz Clik
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Sat Dec-29-07 12:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. The trouble is the timing. Three gun shots ring out, she drops inside the car, then the blast. |
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malaise
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Sat Dec-29-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. That simple |
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Buzz Clik
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Sat Dec-29-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. You've given us the condensed version, and I agree. |
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kestrel91316
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Sat Dec-29-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
34. Can you explain why that timing is problematic? |
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TwilightGardener
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Sat Dec-29-07 12:39 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. If this was her lone injury, why did it kill her so quickly? Come on-- |
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Sun Dec-30-07 10:02 AM Response to Reply #40 |
98. Or concussion |
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Buzz Clik
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Sat Dec-29-07 12:40 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. So... the gunshots were a distraction for a non-lethal car bomb to explode just as she ducked... |
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Recursion
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Sun Dec-30-07 10:03 AM Response to Reply #41 |
99. Or killed by someone inside the car |
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Satyagrahi
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Sat Dec-29-07 12:43 PM Response to Reply #13 |
45. There is certainly a lot of confusion, most probably due to the way |
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intaglio
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Sat Dec-29-07 08:14 PM Response to Reply #45 |
63. The Pakistani gov't published abysmal X-rays of something ... |
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orleans
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Sun Dec-30-07 03:20 AM Response to Reply #45 |
81. um...hello? |
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Satyagrahi
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Sun Dec-30-07 09:05 AM Response to Reply #81 |
91. What I meant to say is that it had received many recommendations. |
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TwilightGardener
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Sat Dec-29-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. I suppose that's possible, but since the story keeps changing, |
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Buzz Clik
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Sat Dec-29-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Read the opening post. She was already back inside the car at the time of the blast. |
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Satyagrahi
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Sat Dec-29-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #15 |
29. No, he doesn't say that. |
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Richard Steele
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Sun Dec-30-07 09:27 AM Response to Reply #29 |
92. Read it again. That was exactly what he said. nm |
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Satyagrahi
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Sun Dec-30-07 09:39 AM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Perhaps we can agree that the photographer's statement isn't really clear |
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Recursion
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Sat Dec-29-07 06:56 PM Response to Reply #15 |
56. A) it doesn't say that B) that wouldn't matter |
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rateyes
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Sat Dec-29-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
30. Everyone who believes that, please meet me in Brooklyn... |
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Buzz Clik
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Sat Dec-29-07 12:35 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. seriously.... |
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rateyes
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Sat Dec-29-07 12:38 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. I've made a fortune selling that bridge, |
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orleans
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Sun Dec-30-07 03:15 AM Response to Reply #12 |
79. how was this possible if she was inside the car during the explosion? n/t |
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Satyagrahi
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Sun Dec-30-07 08:25 AM Response to Reply #79 |
88. The government version is that she was moving down into the car when |
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Sat Dec-29-07 06:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
55. err |
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Buzz Clik
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Sun Dec-30-07 03:11 AM Response to Reply #55 |
77. An explosion that killed her and left all others in the car unscratched. |
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Sun Dec-30-07 08:44 AM Response to Reply #77 |
89. Not really |
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90-percent
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Sat Dec-29-07 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
3. Science? |
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Buzz Clik
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Sat Dec-29-07 12:01 PM Response to Reply #3 |
18. Exactly. |
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Toots
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Sat Dec-29-07 12:01 PM Response to Reply #3 |
19. I had a very close friend that just one year ago this month fell and hit his head |
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DesertRat
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Sat Dec-29-07 11:38 PM Response to Reply #19 |
72. So sorry about your friend, Toots |
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GodHelpUsAll2
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Sun Dec-30-07 12:14 AM Response to Reply #3 |
73. I beg to differ |
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orleans
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Sun Dec-30-07 03:26 AM Response to Reply #73 |
82. sorry to hear this about your cousin--obviously people die from |
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blondeatlast
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Sat Dec-29-07 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
4. So many possible suspects, but I'm convinced of this one thing: |
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Buzz Clik
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Sat Dec-29-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
21. Good post. |
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lisainmilo
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Sat Dec-29-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
31. Agree! |
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Recursion
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Sun Dec-30-07 10:01 AM Response to Reply #4 |
97. I disagree |
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BrklynLiberal
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Sat Dec-29-07 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
5. What is the reason they are lying about the cause of death? |
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blondeatlast
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Sat Dec-29-07 11:11 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Any number of them: |
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BrklynLiberal
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Sat Dec-29-07 11:13 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Thanks. I could not reason it out myself. |
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blondeatlast
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Sat Dec-29-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. That's just off the top of my head; there's likely many others. |
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gorekerrydreamticket
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Sat Dec-29-07 10:27 PM Response to Reply #5 |
66. Perhaps the government (Musharif) is trying to avoid the charge that security was inadequate.... |
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Satyagrahi
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Sat Dec-29-07 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
8. Actually, this confirms the official story. |
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Buzz Clik
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Sat Dec-29-07 12:04 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. Which brings up an interesting point: what was the fate of the others in the car? |
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Satyagrahi
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Sat Dec-29-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. According to the government spokesman they were unhurt. |
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Buzz Clik
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Sat Dec-29-07 12:34 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. As I followed a few links discussing the story, it is clear you are correct. |
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Richard Steele
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Sun Dec-30-07 09:33 AM Response to Reply #8 |
93. It does no such thing. Who do you think you're kidding? |
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Satyagrahi
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Sun Dec-30-07 09:40 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Please explain. |
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Richard Steele
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Sun Dec-30-07 09:58 AM Response to Reply #95 |
96. I prefer to let your body of work speak for itself, and let folks form their own opinion of it. nm |
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Satyagrahi
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Sun Dec-30-07 10:18 AM Response to Reply #96 |
100. Look, I am open for suggestions. |
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IDemo
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Sat Dec-29-07 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
10. My take on this |
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Buzz Clik
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Sat Dec-29-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
26. Good analysis. Here's a pic of the sunroof. |
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IDemo
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Sat Dec-29-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #26 |
46. And, as I mention in the thread you linked to, |
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Canadiana
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Sat Dec-29-07 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
20. I think it's pretty obvious from most accounts |
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Buzz Clik
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Sat Dec-29-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Yep. |
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orleans
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Sun Dec-30-07 03:31 AM Response to Reply #20 |
83. double yep. n/t |
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malaise
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Sat Dec-29-07 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
23. We know that |
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mnhtnbb
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Sat Dec-29-07 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
25. She died during an assassination attempt. Period. She's a martyr and no amount of spin will change |
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Midlodemocrat
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Sat Dec-29-07 12:35 PM Response to Reply #25 |
38. Exactly. Jeez, this is getting old. The woman was assassinated. |
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Buzz Clik
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Sat Dec-29-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Sorry to disturb your lunch, but many of us get annoyed when told obvious lies. |
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Midlodemocrat
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Sat Dec-29-07 04:37 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. . |
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Buzz Clik
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Sat Dec-29-07 05:25 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Whenever I complain about the stupidity of a given thread ... |
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helderheid
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Sat Dec-29-07 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
42. K&R, BC! |
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malaise
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Sat Dec-29-07 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
48. BBC has released more photos |
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Buzz Clik
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Sat Dec-29-07 05:25 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. A headscratcher at best. |
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Buzz Clik
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Sat Dec-29-07 05:33 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. I found your thread with the photos: here's the link |
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H2O Man
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Sat Dec-29-07 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
53. Nominated. |
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HughMoran
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Sat Dec-29-07 07:22 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Yes, why was the initial report so specific |
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Mike03
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Sat Dec-29-07 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
54. I'm with you. |
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HughMoran
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Sat Dec-29-07 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
57. She's dead |
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Buzz Clik
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Sat Dec-29-07 07:37 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Threre seems to be universal agreement on that. |
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judaspriestess
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Sat Dec-29-07 07:32 PM Response to Original message |
59. I thought the attending physician at the hospital said |
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Buzz Clik
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Sat Dec-29-07 07:50 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Attending physician? Not sure about that. |
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Satyagrahi
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Sat Dec-29-07 08:49 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. That "medic" was probably lying. He spoke "on condition of anonymity". |
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IDemo
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Sat Dec-29-07 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
62. I emailed the photographer, John Moore |
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WinkyDink
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Sat Dec-29-07 09:04 PM Response to Original message |
65. A gunman visibly shooting? An explosion? And we're to believe BB died from a FREAK ACCIDENT? |
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goforit
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Sat Dec-29-07 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
67. hmm... you would trust this Briish photographer to be legitamit?????? |
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Buzz Clik
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Sun Dec-30-07 03:06 AM Response to Reply #67 |
75. Do tell... |
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Guaranteed
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Sat Dec-29-07 11:00 PM Response to Original message |
68. Why not just check her body for BULLET HOLES? |
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sicksicksick_N_tired
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Sat Dec-29-07 11:09 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Because,...suicide bombing by extremists would no longer be THE topic of propaganda. |
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Buzz Clik
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Sun Dec-30-07 03:10 AM Response to Reply #68 |
76. You're kinda missing the point. |
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Egalitariat
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Sat Dec-29-07 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
70. You can't put anything to rest based on a single account |
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Buzz Clik
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Sun Dec-30-07 03:12 AM Response to Reply #70 |
78. The accounting I posted was simply the one I saw first. |
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Orwellian_Ghost
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Sat Dec-29-07 11:18 PM Response to Original message |
71. She was shot |
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EFerrari
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Sun Dec-30-07 12:27 AM Response to Original message |
74. The official reports of this murder are so shifty and shifting |
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Dover
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Sun Dec-30-07 05:31 AM Response to Original message |
84. I'm surprised that not ONE camera angle seems to have caught |
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Buzz Clik
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Sun Dec-30-07 08:07 AM Response to Reply #84 |
86. see the post immediately below yours. |
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EFerrari
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Sun Dec-30-07 08:11 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Marines guard Karzai. And, what about Blackwater? |
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Satyagrahi
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Sun Dec-30-07 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
85. One photo is said to show that Bhutto was already inside the car, |
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Satyagrahi
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Sun Dec-30-07 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
90. One wound, right or left? |
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