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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 07:07 PM
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I have been dreading saying this, but I have to say it.
I will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee. I made this post a while back when I was thoroughly disgusted with her. I am still disgusted with that vote, but I am a democrat and I will vote for her. I really felt I needed to confess this after time has passed and I calmed down some. Please understand. But of course I am supporting Edwards in primaries!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1925257
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 07:09 PM
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1. There will be Xanax available at the local pharmacy
Edited on Sun Dec-30-07 07:10 PM by undeterred
to get us all in a mood where it doesn't hurt so much. I will feel like I'm voting for George Bush's cousin, Georgia.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 07:10 PM
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2. lol, thanks! nt
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 07:11 PM
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3. i will vote for democratic nominee unless al gore runs as an independent
then all bets are off
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emanymton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 07:14 PM
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4. Don't Write Edwards Off. The 'Corporation' Has Been Wrong ...
.
before. Edwards still deserves the people's support.

It ain't over till it's over! And it ain't over by a loooong shot. The people have not voted and the 'corporation' is saying it is over. Translated it means it is anyone's game.

Edwards is the man.
.

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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 07:17 PM
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6. Oh no, I am not writing him off. he is gonna be the big suprise.
I just felt I should let everyone know that I had changed my mind about voting for her if she got the nod.

Although I hope and pray with ever fibre in my being that she is not the one.

I believe edwards is the best candidate all around! Most electable of all of them. Dodd is my second choice.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 05:40 PM
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21. I read your earlier post so I know how deeply you feel about this.
It is going to be difficult; I've thought of this eventuality myself. What I do is think of the positive things that can occur and if Hillary is elected President. First, we will have elected our first woman president, which will mean a lot to my three granddaughters. Second, many of our friends around the world will rejoice at the end of Bushco (and the prospect of another Clinton era). Third, there is the possibility we can get universal health coverage and an end to the Iraq War. I try to be in a positive mood.
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 06:37 PM
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22. I want Edwards too!
Go John!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 07:17 PM
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5. good , very good
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 07:18 PM
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7. Why did it take you so long to forgive Clinton, and yet you are supporting
Edwards who sponsored the IWR vote?

Edwards has completely switched his positions on EVERYTHING. With his flip-about there is no way he can win the general.

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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 07:27 PM
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8. Cause i really feel she represents the same old same old.
Before that vote, I was really indifferent to her. I would have never had a second thought about voting for her.

But she allowed herself to be fooled once again by this admin and that was nearly unforgivable, to me, imo, over something deadly serious.

But I will say that if she goes in with a majority in both houses then we will see a liberal Hillary. If we lose one of them, we will see a moderate, hillary.

I don't like all of the attacks she faces as a woman, it really rubs me the wrong way and i think that might be why I softened on her some.

I actually think i will have a harder time voting for obama over her. He is last on my list. I don't want to hope for change, I want change and i think once you scratch the surface on him there is not much there. He needs more time to mature. Right now it just feels like he is saying what he thinks will work with no substance.

But anyways this is all just my opinion, probably not worth much, but its mine and that's all i got.

PS I supported JRE in 2004, I have always loved him.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 04:44 PM
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20. And didn't Edwards
Co-write War doc's??? Legislation ...with Lieberman in favor of war?? Heard it on Randi Rhodes...she was very disappointed to point that out.?? Don't know enough ...
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 07:30 PM
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9. Although I can understand someone not wanting to vote for someone they
strongly disagree with/dislike, if it comes down to Clinton vs REPUB -- what the else can we do?

If we write in a name, that's one less vote for the Dem nominee.

Regardless of WHO gets the nom, I don't feel I have a choice but to vote for him/her.
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Ineedchange Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 07:32 PM
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10. But of course I am supporting Edwards in primaries!
Edited on Sun Dec-30-07 07:49 PM by Ineedchange
I wanted Edwards in 2004 but ended up with Kerry. I voted for Kerry but that was the hardest thing I've done in my life. I cried at the voting booth that I was saddled with an inferior presidential choice that was coupled with a better presidential choice as his VP running mate on the DEM ballot.

I won't do that again if my first choice doesn't make it I will vote for any third party candidate on the ballot. I won't vote for Hillary under any circumstances. I want change and voting for the same people in Hillary clothing won't satisfy that need. I've thought about writting in Don Siegelman name he's the former governor of Alabama that's in jail http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/30/opinion/30sat2.html?_r=1&oref=slogin.

If you don't get you first choice, vote your 2nd emotional choice versus party choice.

If the American population hasn't caught on that our survival as a nation maybe on this vote it won't make that much of a difference if you make and ideogical vote. You can't expect the standard party line folks to fight for the changes we need. Edward has express his understanding of the fight ahead. If you need a fast read on the fight ahead read the following two links.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050502/klein
The Rise of Disaster Capitalism by Naomi Klein

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2004/09/0080197
Baghdad year zero: Pillaging Iraq in pursuit of a neocon utopia

Plus if you have more time check out

Two new Boooks that explain the economics of corporate greed.

http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine The Shock Doctrine

http://www.booktv.org/program.aspx?ProgramId=8620&SectionName=&PlayMedia=No
An Unbroken Agony: Haiti, From Revolution to the Kidnapping of a President - Author: Randall Robinson

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 07:52 PM
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12. You will vote for ANY third party candidate on the ballot if your choice doesn't get the nom?
Why not just save gas and stay home?

Don
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Ineedchange Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 03:26 PM
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17. I want them to know I didn't vote for them
There's a reason why our political candidates don't heed the voice of the poor, homeless, or uninsured. This group of people don't vote. They probably don't vote for any of a number of reasons most likely they work more than 1 job, don't have a permanent address or don't have transportation.

Not voting equates to not being visible. Yes, I may not get a more favorable candidate but that assumes that the main candidates will fight for change within our govermental system.

I supported and wanted Edwards in 2004 and I got Kerry. I literally cried when I voted for Kerry becuase I didn't have a better choice. Just a quick reminder -Kerry didn't stay in the fight very long after the election. He took his 36 million dollars in donations and went home after stating he would fight to the end and we won't have another play of the Florida fiasco!!! Well, we now know that Ohio was a repeat of Florida minus the chads.

I'm not voting for any candidate that won't wage the fight ahead and I want them to know I didn't vote for them.
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axollot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 09:55 PM
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15. Very good articles - I hope everyone reads them...
the Harpers one tore me apart and only reinforced what I had said all along, that terrorism is in the eye of the beholder. In other words, what we see as terrorism in the US and EU is bad, but DAMN what we are doing to the Iraqis is so much worse. I can see why they are bombing the US military - just as I could see the US take up arms if ANY other country tried to invade here.

As for voting, it would be hard to vote Hilarity in office, if she was the nominee. It would be easier only if a good VP running mate was with her. I do want a Dem in office but Clinton to me is a DINO. Edwards/Kucinich please and thank you.

cheers
Sandy
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axollot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 09:56 PM
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16. I should add -
that these articles are good enough for there own thread. Consider making one when you can.

Cheers
Sandy
and WELCOME TO DU!!
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michiganbuckeye1970 Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 03:40 PM
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18. Your logic is to make the problem worse?
A vote for a 3rd party candidate is a essentially a vote for the repugs. So you would allow someone as bad or worse than * to be the next president because you want the democratic nominee, if it is HRC, to know you didn't vote for them? If that is really your position and your intention, you are just making our current situation worse. Democracy is about compromise. You can take your vote and go home if you want to, but I wouldn't expect that action to magically create any progress.
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Ineedchange Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 04:32 PM
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19. I'm willing to Compromise - Just Tired of getting Pimped

How do you get a different out come if you vote for a DINO? There's a reason why the so called 2nd tier candidates are still being interviewed and getting money. We're looking for someone who has a vision and the ability to implement that vision in a vary partisan congress.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 07:42 PM
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11. Good for you.
May each voter follow her/his heart. For me I can not see voting for someone who appears to carry the Bush torch. "Boo" said she on the campaign trail. As for me I have no interest in adding to her numbers. Peace, Kim
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 08:09 PM
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14. Voting my heart will mean voting for the Dem nominee - I want a Dem in the WH.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 07:54 PM
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13. After seeing her Iowa speech on CSPAN today, I am not as concerned
about her. At the least, she's competent. She may not adhere to our agenda, but I don't fear for our constitution like I would with a Mitt, Rudy, or Fuckabee.
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