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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 10:46 PM
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Unity and bipartisanship are just ways to keep the power in the GOP hands.
I watched "So Goes the Nation" this week. It was heartbreaking, and I did not agree with so much of it. But I did agree with Ken Mehlman surprisingly. I will paraphrase him. He said he could not remember when an "out" party had gotten voted "in" unless they put forth ideas that the "in" party did not.

In the film George Bush kept saying over and over...that we may not agree with him but we knew where he stood. He did not care if we agreed. It did not matter. He was doing his thing to win.

I think we were not partisan enough. I think our ideas and policies were far better for the country than were those of the "in" group. But I do not think we got them across powerfully enough. We were trying to appeal to their base far too much, while they were working quietly getting out "more" of their base.

The minute the election was over in November 2006, where we began to take back our government.....there were consultants on TV on every news station saying how vital it is we all work together.

The same extremists who have driven our economy into the ground, lied us into war, and divided us on every topic....then at that moment wanted us to be nice to each other. They said we should work together so we would not be so divided. It was such obvious BS I did not think many would fall for it. But the media talking heads just keep on with it.

Now comes Bloomberg who is a good man who can't decide who or what he is. He used to be a Democrat, then he became a Republican to get elected. The candidates became what he did not like, so now he is going to run as an independent if they don't do just as he says.

I like him, but it angers me greatly. That unity stuff means one thing....we are turning it all back over to the right wing Republicans. How do I know that? Because we have not even fought since November 2006 to bring even the change we could on some vital issues. There have been some small victories permitted us by Little Boots, but on the prevailing problems that are destroying our country we have not stood firm and said no we won't take that anymore.

The ones who are pursuing this unity crap are the same ones who as far back as 1995 decided that even Bill Clinton was not "centrist" enough for them. They were ready to drop him in the next election rather than lose power because of his "liberal ways." It is their consultants who get the air time, who get to plead that we all get along.

This article from Time in 1995 shows their anger toward him.

DLCers rant in 1995 about losing power

The White House is having an anxiety attack at the prospect of a liberal challenge from Jesse Jackson, but a potentially more dangerous threat may come from the Democratic Leadership Council, the group of moderate Democrats formed in 1985. Clinton helped found the organization, chaired it before resigning to run in 1992 and sold himself to the nation on the basis of the ideas developed by the council's think tank, the Progressive Policy Institute (PPI). Clinton had defined the DLC's task as creating "a new middle ground of thinking on which someone can not only run for President but actually be elected."


That gives me the impression that they do not need other committees in the Democratic party. They rely on the DLC to get elected. Yet the DLC is a tax-exempt group not meant to support candidates. I must have read that wrong.

Having accomplished that goal, Clinton has wandered. "Since his election," says DLC president Al From, "the President's campaign agenda hasn't been his first priority." A repeat of that performance is what many centrist boosters worry about most. Clinton's latest moves to the center, like his recent balanced-budget proposal, are viewed by the DLC as mere electoral tactics that may signify nothing at all about a second term's direction.


His moves to the center? Al From, I thought that is where you wanted the party to be? In the center. Isn't that why you call yourselves "centrists." I must have misunderstood.

"In '92 our ideas captured the country but not the party," says William Galston, who resigned recently as a White House aide to help develop what From calls a "third way." Since then, adds Galston, the tension within the Administration "has involved accommodating the liberal tendencies that still dominate the party and the centrist views the President ran on." That confusion is exactly what could doom Clinton, since many Americans still wonder what the President really believes in and what he will fight for.


Did you read that?

the tension within the Administration "has involved accommodating the liberal tendencies that still dominate the party and the centrist views the President ran on."


I hope our party still has "liberal tendencies."

Their ideas "captured the country but not the party." These are the guys calling for bipartisanship now that we won.

But wait until you read this sentence from Al From at that time.

"The problem for us and him," says From, "is that Clinton promised to be different. He's been that a bit, but the whole is less than the sum of the parts. The fundamental change he pledged hasn't come. We've been consistent in articulating the ideas he won on, but he hasn't been consistent in advancing them. We were at this before Clinton, and we'll be at it after he's gone, because a long-term majority will never be created around the interests represented by Jesse and the labor unions. Most people are politically homeless now. They're our target. We'll work to get Clinton to pursue us, but we're damn sure going to make it hard for him to catch us."


They snatched the party policy from the traditional people of the party....minorities, labor unions, the average people. They made no secret of it at all. Bill Clinton was often called the best Republican president the Democrats ever had, and he was not centrist enough for them.

Since we won the election in November 2006, the spokespersons for this group have been front and center on TV. They are pushing for all of us not to be partisan, not to be angry about what Bush has done to this country, pushing for unity, pushing for bipartisanship.

That means they get to have their agenda, because the right wing is going to keep fighting fiercely. It looks like our side is the only one getting the shaft.

I love some of the bloggers today, they are really digging in their heels on this.

Digby's Bipartisan Zombies...a great read

Bipartisan Zombies

"Today we have none other than the centrist drivel king, David Broder, reporting that a group of useless meddlers, most of whom who were last seen repeatedly stabbing Bill Clinton in the back, are rising from their crypts to demand that the candidates all promise to appoint a "unity" government and govern from the the center --- or else they will back an independent Bloomberg bid."

..."Isn't it funny that these people were nowhere to be found when George W. Bush seized office under the most dubious terms in history, having been appointed by a partisan supreme court majority and losing the popular vote? If there was ever a time for a bunch of dried up, irrelevant windbags to demand a bipartisan government you'd think it would have been then, wouldn't you? (How about after 9/11, when Republicans were running ads saying Dems were in cahoots with Saddam and bin Laden?) But it isn't all that surprising. They always assert themselves when the Democrats become a majority; it's their duty to save the country from the DFH's who are far more dangerous than Dick Cheney could ever be."


The Horses Ass blog tells it like it is quite clearly.

Bipartisanship mean Democrats caving and crossing the aisle.

When the media establishment moralistically calls for more bipartisanship, this is what they are talking about: Democrats caving and crossing the aisle to vote with the Republican block. It almost never happens the other way around on the most important issues of the day. Almost Never.

The issue here was simple. Is simulated drowning torture, and thus illegal? Mukasey, soon to be our nation’s top law enforcement official, refused to say. So this noble display of bipartisanship now confirms that the United States of America is a nation that condones torture.

F*** bipartisanship.


I remember this part from a review of a book about the DLC in 2000. We find out how they made themselves so powerful. First they tried to change things from inside. We are now trying to get our party back from them by trying from the inside. It may not work. It may have to be done from the outside as they did. They finally formed their own base from which to operate...

Reinventing Democrats: The Politics of Liberalism from Reagan to Clinton

How did a group of elite politicians and operatives transform a political party?

First, they gave themselves a little bit of distance. After several unsuccessful attempts to influence the party establishment from within, the reformers formed the DLC as an extra-party organization in 1985. This avoided what Bruce Babbitt referred to as the "Noah's Ark problem"---the need to satisfy diverse constituents by taking representative positions on behalf of each one. They could also raise their own money (which DLC honchos like Virginia's Chuck Robb were notably good at), start their own think tank (the Progressive Policy Institute), and publicize their own views without tangling with the cumbersome Party bureaucracy.


They are their own party in effect. They are the ones pushing for this unity. Many of the founders were listed among the guests at Bloomberg's upcoming Unity conference.

I read at Green Mountain Daily that Howard Dean is already preparing the local and state party staffs for some serious changes that might be coming. Most doubt the 50 State plan will be continued.

I don't want to hear about "bipartisanship" after this administration has taken our country to such a dark and dangerous place. I don't want to hear the word "unity" right now. We can not afford it.

I want loud and sincere voices speaking honestly and clearly on every issue. We can not afford any other way.
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 10:49 PM
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1. Republicans are cockroaches.....you dont live with cockroaches...you exterminate them.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 12:21 PM
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15. There you go.
I just bought a refrigerator magnet that says "Republicans are people too - mean, selfish, greedy people."

And I just finished an anti-generalization post on another topic! - But, really, how anyone who is not a rich white male can choose to be (there! it's a *choice*, so I can generalize without guilt...!) a Republican has always escaped me.....
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 11:28 PM
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2. Unity & bipartisanship are GOP codewords for "Dems are wimps and suckers"
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 12:25 AM
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3. Loving the bloggers this week. .
They are really standing up on this issue. Here is one from Open Left about how Martin Luther King valued polarization. There are just some times when you have corrupt incapable people in power that you can NOT be unified with them.

Martin Luther King and The Moral Imperative For Polarization

"Polarization is the great evil, the great scourge of our times. All our great authorities tell us so.
All our great authorities are wrong.

Polarization is not a great evil, so long as great evil lives in our land. This was a primary message of one of Martin Luther King's most famous writings, his "Letter from Birmingham Jail" .

Indeed, King himself was one of the most polarizing figures of American history, and his entire career consisted of polarizing public opinion, breaking down apathy and comfortable indifference in the face of great evils-racism, poverty and war. Those evils are still with us today, though in differing guises and proportions, and yet we not only hear repeated calls for unity, for rejecting polarization, we see King himself obscenely misrepresented as a harmless, Santa Claus-like figure of fuzzy-headed unity. It is hard to conceive of a greater insult to his memory.

King's letter is one of the most remarkable pieces of literature in history. It is, in its essence, the testament of an entire movement, a struggle for justice by an oppressed people within the world's most powerful empire. It stands in significance next to the words of Moses, whose example was one of enduring sources of strength in that struggle."

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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 02:18 AM
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4. "Republican" and "Bloomberg" should be repeated in every sentence.
This is the most effective way to shut down this ridiculous plot to infiltrate and take over the Democratic Party, now that the corporate elite and NeoCons have trashed the Republican Party.

Altogether now. "Former Republican New York Mayor Bloomberg". "Billionaire Bloomberg who was elected mayor of New York City as a Republican"

There is nothing more reviled in this country than a Republican. Let the third party splitter wear the label as a badge of shame. Every time a Democrat talks about the man, they should use the word "Republican" at least two or three times.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 02:50 AM
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5. That Green Mountain Daily article wasn't too specific about what Dean actually said
Any more info on this? I'm a little bothered by the fact that Dean hasn't been in the public eye much lately.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 03:34 AM
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6. It is a holiday, but good point. I got a DNC
request for money, and sent it back packing. I told them to talk to constituents, then I'd talk.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 11:46 AM
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14. The trouble with that is this.
The DNC Dean wanted would have required overwhelming grassroots support to pay for the state workers, their salaries, their insurance. He has outraised the previous applicable year by a great margin, but the grassroots have really not come through in a big way to make the changes.

They have withheld money from the DNC because of the congressional votes, which is really not quite fair.

Dean depended on the grassroots for small donations, and a huge showing might have shown power. But doesn't matter now, does it? The nominee will soon be in charge of it all. .
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 03:01 PM
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18. No, have not heard much more.
Pretty sure it is mostly true, though.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 05:36 AM
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7. K&R I'll have what you're having!
Those who lie down with dogs rise up with fleas -- metaphorically speaking.

Unity with criminals? Condoning the total destruction of our democratic republic? Looking at truth-telling as unsophisticated pablum for the unwashed masses?

Where, oh where, has my country gone?
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 06:21 AM
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8. Great post
"I don't want to hear about "bipartisanship" after this administration has taken our country to such a dark and dangerous place. I don't want to hear the word "unity" right now. We can not afford it."

Thats the Democratic music I want to hear. Thanks.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 06:33 AM
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9. Once they have taken your vote, they have made you a slave. America is in a state of civil war.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 08:55 AM
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10. Bingo! It is the same as making a pact with the devil with the same results
...we all go to hell with the GOP. :wtf:
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 10:26 AM
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11. Hear, Hear! You saved me a post. Unity = status quo = Bushism
This unity crap is ridiculous - nothing more than a way to preserve the "gains" of the Bush Administration, and to stand for nothing. Reminds me of the Constitution Party in 1860, whose only platform was "the Constitution as it is." It won many votes, but with the nation poised for Civil War, the North rightly rejected such absurdity and stood with principle, electing Lincoln.

I don't know if there's a Lincoln out there, but we will do a hell of a lot better standing on principle than buying into this powers-that-be crap.

P.S. Broder is such a piece of Inside-the-Beltway crap.

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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 11:13 AM
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12. Thank you!
You saved me a post too! :-) I don't want unity. I don't want to "reach across the aisle". Reach across to what?

A bunch of eejits that clap during Bush's State of the Union Address?

That snubbed and stayed seated when the Corporate UMP President of France reached across the aisle - but suggested we be leaders on the issue of Global Warming and give him a time table to pull out of Iraq to be our friend?

To people who say "Liberal" and "Populist", and "Socialist" like those are 'dirty words'?

To people who call an emergency meeting of Congress for a brain-dead woman (Schiavo) but were okay with denying children in America health care this fall?

Whomever gets the Candidacy at the end of this Primary Season for the Democratic Party - they better pull HARD and to the LEFT. If they don't - this party is lost forever.
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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 11:42 AM
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13. Screw Bipartisanship.
We have more important things to worry about! Every time these right-wing assholes get in trouble they do the same thing!

"Who does vote for these dishonest shitheads? Who among us can be happy and proud of having all this innocent blood on our hands? Who are these swine? These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid little rich kids like George Bush? They are the same ones who wanted to have Muhammad Ali locked up for refusing to kill gooks. They speak for all that is cruel and stupid and vicious in the American character. They are the racists and the hate mongers among us -- they are the Ku Klux Klan. I piss down the throats of these Nazis. And I am too old to worry about whether they like it or not. Fuck them."

Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:01 PM
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20. Oh, that's one of my favorite Hunter Thompson quotes! thanks! nt
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 12:41 PM
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16. The problem with "unity" is that Democrats consider it to be compromise,
Republicans consider it doing things their way. (Thus the many, many, many, many 60 vote margins unmet over the past year.)
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:02 PM
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21. I like to call it bipartisanshit.

nt

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 01:28 PM
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17. Glenn Greenwald says it very well about Bloomberg.
"In fact -- despite his steadfast neoconservatism -- it's hard to see how the candidacy of a divorced, unmarried, stridently pro-gun-control, pro-choice, socially liberal New York City billionaire would accomplish anything other than offering the Republicans their best hope of winning in 2008. All of this seems to be intended as punishment meted out by the Establishment to the Democrats -- using Bloomberg's billions as the weapon -- for not repudiating their loudmouth, restless liberal base strongly enough. That, more than anything, seems to be the oh-so-noble and trans-partisan purpose of David Broder, David Boren and Sam Nunn: to find a way to stifle the populist anger at our political establishment after 8 years of unrestrained Bush-Cheney devastation, increasingly represented (on the Democratic side) by the Scary, Angry, Intemperate John Edwards campaign.

A Bloomberg candidacy would have no purpose other than satisfy his bottomless personal lust for attention and bestow the wise old men threatening the country with his candidacy with some fleeting sense of rejuvenated relevance and wisdom. His political views are conventional in every way and he's little more than an establishment-enabling figurehead. The whole attraction to his candidacy has nothing to do with any issues or substance and everything to do with an empty addiction to vapid notions of Establishment harmony and a desire to exert control, whereby our Seriousness guardians devote themselves to a candidate for reasons largely unrelated to his policies or political views, thus proving themselves, as usual, to be the exact antithesis of actual seriousness."

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/12/31/bloomberg/index.html

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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 03:58 PM
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19. digby has the best comments I've seen so far on "bipartisanship" nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 01:20 AM
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22. In 2004 Dean said we could not compromise with extremists.
Of course he doesn't say anything anymore. But he did say it in his book in the fall of 2004.

http://howardempowered.blogspot.com/2007/12/changing-party-by-using-primaries-dean.html

"When our own folks vote with Tom DeLay, it means that DeLay, who is not stupid, gets to go to congressional Republicans in moderate districts and tell them he doesn't need their vote to pass his right wing bill because he has enough Democratic votes to win. The "moderate" Republicans can go home and tell their constituents that they "stood up against" Tom DeLay while keeping him in power by voting for him as leader and falling in line with him on not-so-high-profile pieces of legislation.

....""We're fighting now for the future of our country and the future of democracy. To vote with the Republicans is to let extremism get the upper hand. In the past, our party's own ideal about inclusiveness kept us from having the necessary tools to fight. We need to toughen up. We can't afford to be divided by members peeling off on issues that touch upon our deeply held beliefs."

We don't need to march in lockstep on every vote. But on critical votes that touch on our key issues, Democrats can not abandon their core values. The history of the twentieth century teaches that we must never compromise with extremists."


Maybe he will get his voice back after he is through at the DNC. Maybe not. Maybe the DC establishment has absorbed him like they do everyone else. :shrug:



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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 01:33 AM
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23. I don't think the DC establishment has absorbed him
I think "certain" factions of the Democratic Party itself have marginalized him. Think Emmanuel, think DLC, think Hoyer, think BlueDogs, etc.
I personally just wish he would step down and help us, the grassroots, elect a truly progressive candidate.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 01:44 AM
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24. You may be right.
As Molly Ivins said he's a "fighting centrist". We don't seem to have many fighting right now.

It was good to see the state parties rebuilt, but it will be equally sad to see them defunded when he leaves. One good thing, though, he did give power back to the states...maybe they will fight now.
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