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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 03:16 PM
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How Edwards can mount a surge, by an Obama supporter.
He needs something to happen, this is clear..he can't wait for Hillary or Obama to screw up.

My advice is to break out on a issue, any dividing issue, make Hillary and Obama take a stance on a position they are not comfortable with. Edwards cannot just declare a position, he must be asked...

"Mr. Edwards, Will you hold the Bush criminals accountable ?" ...yes. (then Hillary and Obama will be asked this.)

"Mr.Edwards, Will you sign up for the ICC (International Criminal Court)?" ...yes (then..ect, ect...)

"Mr. Edwards, Will you put SS payments in a 'lock box'?" ...yes. ect..ect.


These are just examples, but whatever the question is, it needs to be asked now, and it needs to distinguish a difference between them.

Any Ideas, examples ?



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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 03:19 PM
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1. Blarch, are you really saying you like Edwards?
?
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 03:22 PM
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4. I support Obama
Edwards is a very close second and Hillary is a distant third. (rating the top three)

If Edwards and Obama were fighting it out, I wouldn't really mind, tossing Hillary in kinda screws me up.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:46 PM
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22. I doubt you very much
this is a case for 'concern troll'

your post is vile, and is a flamebait post,

enjoy your stay at DU!


:hi:
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:53 PM
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25. I offered sound advice.
Sorry you don't agree...but calling me a troll :rofl: ...your not the first hater to say that :toast:
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 03:20 PM
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2. sounds great to me!
I hope he or his organization see this when they look at the stories on this site, he should be hitting them in their weak areas about how they would not hold the crime family accountable for the thousands of American deaths under W's 'watch' and the trillion wasted on warfare, the spying on Americans without merit, and the laziness regarding the Katrina disaster.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 03:21 PM
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3. Holding the Bush criminals accountable
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 03:22 PM by Blue_In_AK
is one of my top issues, and I have yet to hear anyone give a clear answer. National unity is fine, but Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Addington/etc. etc. etc. must be made to pay.

ed. Oh, and Bremer. My God, what an idiot that guy was/is.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 03:31 PM
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8. ugh, bremer
not only did I grow up in the same town, I was good friends with his younger sister and now, like me, bremer lives in Vermont.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 03:37 PM
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9. I always knew he was a POS
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 03:38 PM by Blue_In_AK
but I didn't realize how truly terrible he was until after seeing "No End in Sight." The Iraq invasion was a huge mistake, obviously, but the situation possibly could have been salvaged with the right actions after the toppling of Saddam's government. By disbanding the Iraqi Army and "de-Baathifying" the civil service levels so far down the chain, Bremer almost single-handedly turned the Iraqis completely against us. He emphatically closed whatever window there was for us to get it right. And then for him to be given that medal -- there are no words.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 03:24 PM
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5. "Will you hold the Bush criminals accountable?"
Yes, I want to hear all three of them answer that question!!!
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 03:30 PM
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7. I'm afraid standing out on some things at this date could be a disastrous
move for a candidate. Even if a candidate wanted to, the administration and its media would go all out on decapitating that candidate. Sadly, a lot of the public would buy whatever the media is told to say about the candidate. Edwards has already gone out on a limb voicing his intent to attack the corruption, and look what the media has done so far by virtually ignoring him at best, or painting him in a bad light.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 03:42 PM
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11. for some reason I'm sure they wouldn't.
and they will just want to move on, without holding these thugs accountable and the number of countless people who were killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 03:54 PM
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14. Second that.
Also. How soon will you close Guantanamo? How soon will you restore habeas corpus for all? How soon will you complete the investigation of 9/11?
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 10:15 PM
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26. The conviction of Bush and his top henchmen for their war
crimes and treason would go down in history as the greatest one piece of mental health therapy. Millions of people all over the world would be uplifted from the deep psychological trauma inflicted by the Bush Administration over the past seven years. It would show the world that the United States was truly and honorable and viable Democracy, worthy of respect and emulation.
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 03:25 PM
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6. i hope you don't mind, but i sent this along to his campaign. thanks!
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 03:39 PM
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10. Funny isn't that how these things that mean so much to us
never get mentioned by any of the Democratic candidates?
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 03:47 PM
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12. and who, in the corporate media,
is going to ask these questions?

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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:38 PM
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15. The media doesn't.
It happens on the campaign trail, or in a TV interview with a friendly source.

It has to be a issue that makes Hillary and Obama squirm. Squirm in the same way Ross Perot would make Bill and George squirm in the debates.

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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:14 PM
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17. Okay. Then who in the corporate media
is going to pick up the story and give it exposure to a national audience?

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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:26 PM
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18. It depends.
If Edwards says he will sign up for the ICC and wouldn't object or protect former Bush officials from prosecution, it would get played bigtime...Hillary and Obama will also be asked the question.

Hillary and Obama will look like they are protecting Bush and his criminals, it's a good wedge issue.


What about Kyoto ? ...repealing the MCA (Military Commissions Act)..Incentives to NOT outsource, penalize for outsourcing.

There are many issues where Obama and Hillary would stick together and Edwards would stand out. Of course he has to be willing to hang it out there. But I do believe some of these big issues that are never addressed could create a difference and get air time...especially the responses from Hillary and Obama..
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:40 PM
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21. That is a good point.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:50 PM
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23. Why don't we'all
go out naked and stand in front of the GOP and SING hosanna.....

its easy.
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:52 PM
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24. Let us know how that goes
:eyes:
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 03:53 PM
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13. You are absolutely right.
For me, one issue is nuclear power. There is no way I want any more nuclear energy until we have solved the myriad of problems associated with it like what to do with nuclear waste and how to prevent terrorism against nuclear reactors. Both Obama and Hillary are pro-nuclear energy.

Edwards has the best environmental plan by far.
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:41 PM
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16. After reading The Shock Doctrine...
I'd like to know what he'd do to reform the IMF and the WTO and the World Bank. We're like a damn crime syndicate, looting and pillaging the economies of the world. After reading this book I'm very tempted to switch from Obama to Edwards - but I'd like a clear idea on where he stands on this.
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:46 PM
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20. good point.
reforming these corrupt agencies could save millions of people untold hardships. Reading the Shock Doctrine is in itself a shock...what incredible insight.

He needs to frame the issue as a 'pledge' ...like a pledge to not hand out 'get out of jail free cards'. When Obama and Hillary refuse to sign up they look like enablers.

A pledge to sign up for the ICC
A pledge to Ban private companies from doing traditional military jobs (Halliburton, Blackwater)

Some pledge that Obama and Hillary wouldn't sign up for.
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ProgressiveFool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:35 PM
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19. He should out-Kucinich Kucinich
The only issue I have with Obama at this point is a nagging fear that he might play too nice if he gets into office, and "for the sake of national reconciliation" allow the Bushies to get away with their crimes by not investigating the problems of the past. I'm pretty sure that Edwards wouldn't let them off, but it would help him immensely to pick up Dennis's line about pursuing the Bushies to the fullest extent of the law.

We don't just want change, we want justice.
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