41 and 43...now 42 and 44?

[Bicoastal]

I can't be any more clear than this--I am SICK of people ascending to the Executive Branch in our country because "it's in the family."

At a certain level, I don't care if it's Obama or Edwards--I want NEW names to represent the best and brightest our party has to offer. And Hillary Clinton relying on the positive record and charisma of Bill Clinton to get out the vote merely reinforces this belief. She's made it clear she's going to bring in members of the same team from 8 years ago, and they're going to make the exact same mistakes. If this approach failed for 41 and 43, why should 42 and 44 be any different?

THAT is why I don't want the Clintons back in the White House. I'll vote for her in the GE if it comes to that, but that's my position for now.

[aquart]

1. The Meme! The Meme!

Points for numeric rendering. First time I've seen it.

[lisa58]

2. I agree completely

I've felt this way since before she declared and hoped she wouldn't.

I'll live with it if I have to - I just think it's wrong for the country.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

3. She'd Make A Great President.

That's all that matters to me.

[TahitiNut]

12. Just like Britney's a GREAT singer and Tom Cruise is a GREAT actor?

I don't think that word means what you think it does.

:rofl:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

19. She Would Absolutely Make A Great President. Any Of The 3 Would.

I'm proud of all 3 of them, and I think Hillary has been brilliant lately. I see no reason to believe she wouldn't make a great president.

[rateyes]

4. k & r.

[Rageneau]

5. The Bush presidencies were both failures. The Clinton presidency was a success.

That means, for those who need a refresher course, that people named Bush are not the same as people named Clinton.

Because 41 and 43 were alike does not mean that 42 and 44 will be...

But we can all hope that they will be!

[Bicoastal]

7. First of all, the Clinton presidency was a success only in some areas.

But never mind--it's the precedence it starts of former presidents campaigning for future nominees.

As an American, it just feels wrong to see him up there campaigning for her 24/7. Wasn't there a time when he pledged he would let HER do all the heavy lifting? And I would guess that it's this image, and not Hillary's gender, is the main reason so many people are deadset against her winning the presidency.

[mondo joe]

10. Clinton had very high approval ratings, especially in his second term.

You might choose to measure success in some other way, but the most democratic would be the satisfaction of the populace.

[Bicoastal]

15. Well, if she's campaigning partly on his successes, it's up to her to apologize for his failures.

And again, that sets a precedence that feels abhorrent to me.

Hillary "addressed" this issue by sic-ing Bill Clinton on her opponents after Iowa.

[mondo joe]

20. I was actually referring to your complaint rather than her campaign.

You addressed the success (or lack thereof) of Bill Clinton's presidency. You addressed using many of the same people.

In response I am pointing out that those people and that presidency received high approval ratings from the people of the United States.

[tinrobot]

13. Don't forget congress was controlled by the GOP in the 90's.

How successful could he have really been under those circumstances?

[DaveJ]

6. Wouldn't being the first female POTUS make up for it?

I mean, why not factor that in as well, as long as we are considering things unrelated to her abilities.

[Bicoastal]

14. No it would not. To me, it would only suggest that women can't get elected to the office...

...unless they have their strong-and-powerful husbands at their sides all the time, appearing on interviews and at stump speeches to reassure us that we should trust her.

I didn't always use to feel like this, you know. In the early days of this campaign, I used to feel reassured that Bill Clinton would not take advantage of his influence to strenuously campaign for his wife. That reassurance is laughable today, as Clinton the Neutral has turned into an attack dog for Hillary's opponents. It's an unfair advantage that only highlights the disadvantage people who HAVE no family connections carry with them in America today. And after events such as the 2000 election fiasco in Florida, post-9/11 racial profiling, Katrina, and post-9/11 scare tactics. I'm all for giving people who worked their way up the ladder from nothing a fair shot at the top.

Obama, Edwards, or Kucinich for the Primaries. Clinton for the GE, and only grudgingly.

[DaveJ]

22. I agree it's not the best of circumstances...

But, I've met at least one female who openly declared that nobody should expect as much from her because she is a woman, and a woman has never been President. It may not seem like much to some, but to many girls would make a huge difference in their self-esteem.

I'm not worried about Bill helping Hillary since men have always referred to women as their "better half". Why not have help from a man? Men certainly have help from women, and we don't have trouble admitting it.

[mondo joe]

8. Everyone is free to use their own rationale in voting. Yours seems to rate family relationship

as a high negative.

I don't care about it that much myself.

[99th_Monkey]

9. We the people v. Bush/Clinton Dynasty

lest we forget how Clinton pushed through NAFTA, and welfare reforms unfriendly to the poorest of the poor.

ok.. yes. Clinton would be better than any of the Rethug candidates, but that's not saying much.

[KamaAina]

11. Hillary would not be "44"

41 and 43 are used to distinguish George H.W. Bush (41), the elected one, from the usurper George W. Bush (43).

Unless Hillary suddenly changes her name to "Bill", there is no need for 42 and 44.

And (in the primaries) I'm an 'ABC" (Anyone But Clinton) supporter.

[Bicoastal]

17. Sure, well, I'm just speaking figuratively. nt

[CK_John]

16. Cheney will be 44 when * pardons DC then resigns and 44 will then pardon 43 then Hillary will be 45.

[AnnieBW]

18. Will Hill have all male interns?

If Hillary is going to be like Bill, then she'll have a staff of young, studly male interns who walk around flashing their butt cheeks in thongs at her all day. I leave the rest to your imagination.

[revkat]

21. A Clinton?

If it makes you feel better, you can call her Hillary Rodham. She just married the guy, she doesn't have his DNA (unlike the Bushs)

[Kucinich4America]

23. One thing I will never call her

is President.

[mmonk]

24. If you want change, the new president must not bring any of the old

back in. If they do, we won't get real change from what we have.

[Perry Logan]

25. Why should we screw things up for ourselves just because the Bushes sucked?