CSPAN 3 Foreign Relations Markup back--Obama up!

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thread 1 - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=26010&mesg_id=26010

CSPAN link - http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan3_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3

[halobeam]

1. link for thread 2 wasn't working in thread 1, for me anyway,,

needed to find you in GD

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3. Thanks for the heads up!

fixed now :blush:

[halobeam]

4. no prob.

thanks for taking the time to do this..:hi:

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2. 'Strongly supportive' of Biden-Hagel amendment

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5. BREAKING! Murkowski says oops!

She "takes back" her initial words that wording is 'politically motivated', and apologizes to Hagel. Just Hagel mind you, not Biden or Levin.

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6. Murkowski is taking a lot of words to say not much of anything imo

She doesn't want it to be a democratic resolution.

Doesn't want it to be Dem vs. Repub b/c that will erode 'support' even further.

edit: typo

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7. She wants to know what other options there are besides

Surge on the one hand or Withdrawal on the other end of the spectrum.

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8. Murkowski is lecturing Hagel/Biden on not supporting anything

that would hurt the troops???!!!!???? Could she be any stupider?? What a lightweight!! She is embarrassing herself. Ohhhhhh, she said panoply, big word!! She really is a dope.

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9. Biden saying opposition to the surge is not about the number of troops

It's about the Mission. Fundamentally different things.

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10. ROFL! Biden lecturing her

:popcorn:

[Oreo]

11. Webb up now

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12. WEBB!!!!!!

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16. I'm becoming quite enamored with this guy

nothing like a reformed republick

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17. He was one of those "Reagan Democrats" though

:)

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13. Jim Webb speaking now n/t

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14. Webb: It's become all to clear that Congress is going to have to

take the lead on this whether we like it or not.

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15. Referring to Kerry's comments earlier

Recommends keeping the debate away from Vietnam War.

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29. Webb supported Vietnam war and won't change his opinion on it, no matter what, but

at least he EARNED his opinion, even if it is wrong - unlike the GOP chickenhawks who BLAME protests for the loss of the war.

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18. Vitter R of Louisiana will not support the Resolution

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :grr:

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19. okeydokey! Vitter gives it a thumbsdown!

Gee! He could have leveraged for some Katrina money, but decides to sell his soul in its entirety instead.

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20. Another hypocrite up - says you cannot oppose a plan

if you don't have a plan. Wonder what Hagel will say to him??? The fool's name is Sen. Vitter, R, of course.

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21. Biden smacking him down, now Vitter argues

minutiae (sp) - schumck.

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23. Biden-Let's clarify Vitter-um, uh, that's not what I meant, Biden-

you're full of shit Senator.

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22. What a tool! "We have to have a plan before we can reject a plan"

(paraphrased)

So, he's saying the President is the only one with a plan and I have to support a plan so I support the President. :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

He may want to check that document titled "Constitution".

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24. Bill Nelson smacking Vitter down too

He just said that there is a plan, but this vote is about a plan Bush proposed - to send 20,000 more troops to Iraq. That is what they are voting on.

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26. Yup! And doing a good job of it too! n/t

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25. Nelson up

Mentions his trip to Syria and the ME.

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27. Nelson highlights being a co-equal branch with the Executive n/t

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28. Cardin up now

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30. Bob Casey up now

Biden says he is to be the last speaker before a vote.

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32. First Amendment failed

Now going to vote on Second Amendment - I have no idea on what they are voting on, what it is

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33. It is great to see Lugar and Coleman and the other repubs

get knocked down. Coleman looks like he wants to croak.

Vote is close.

Amendment fails.

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31. Getting ready to go through the amendments; Biden will vote NO

on all amendments "in order to get a clean bill".

Well, on the one hand I'd have to agree with Biden on that particularly since it is a 'non-binding' resolution.

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34. 1st & 2nd amendments failed, Coleman's amendment up now

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

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35. Third Amendment - We should be open to troop increases

when requested from the commanders on the ground.

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kaboom!

Another one down

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36. Third Amendment Fails

This is, I believe, because no one trusts Bush from twisting the arms of the commanders to ask for more troops.

No one trusts Bush anymore except for the deepest Kool-Aide drinkers.

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39. That's part of it. Biden-Hagel want to get it to the floor "clean"

No amendments.

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37. Voice Vote - Third Amendment Fails

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38. Final vote up now!! 12 ayes 9 nos!!

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[halobeam]

41. nice group of smilies

and YAY.:bounce:

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43. Thanks halobeam!

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

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40. Vote on the Resolution

The Amendment PASSES!!!

It's a start in taking our country back from Bush, the Warmonger.

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42. Passed and we are adjourned!

Thanks guys! :hi: