Is McCain a "sacrificial Lamb"?

[ewagner]

I've been wondering about this....

Most of the mainstream honestly believes that the Repubs can't win in November no matter who they put on the ballot....additionally, they are uncomfortable with Romney...scared SH$Tless of Huckabee and wouldn't touch Rudy with a 10-foot pole....so do they look better letting Grandpa McCain run and get his head beaten in by the Democrats? Face it...McCain is almost harmless to the Republican image whereas the others are associated with elements in the conservative movement that the RNC wants nothing to do with.

I'm tossing this out for discussion...

What do you think?

[MethuenProgressive]

1. No, he's the "Judas Goat"

who leads the lambs to slaughter.

[TlalocW]

2. I think that McCain is this year's Bob Dole

Republicans are going to give him the nomination because "it's his turn."

TlalocW

[ben_meyers]

10. You beat me to it.

It's almost like they are conceding the White House just like in '96. Not only is it his turn, but it's their turn. Nobody seems to want to inherit the mess.

[Rydz777]

11. Right. McCain will lose against any Democrat. McCain wants more

war and knows virtually nothing abount the economy (son of an oil heiress and married to a beer heiress.)

[calmblueocean]

12. I think you underestimate McCain at your peril.

His history of torture and sacrifice is emotionally moving and will connect with a large number of voters, and the fact that he is disliked by many of his party will only reinforce in some people's minds the idea that McCain is "moderate". If anyone can sell the war, it's McCain, and it's stupid to pretend otherwise. Don't flirt with disaster.

[Medusa]

14. Independents like him

He's more popular with Indies than he is within his own party! But when it comes right down to it, although they may grumble, the GOPers will vote for whomever is the nominee. I think he has a better chance than many think, if he can just get the nomination (Romney is still a very real threat to him). The GOP vote is a given and the Indie vote is a total possibility. Will Indies vote for Hillary? I don't think so. And that is why it concerns me greatly she is more than likely going to be our nominee. I think we underestimate him and consider this election a foregone conclusion at our own peril.

[renate]

15. I agree

I think most Americans who only pay attention to politics for a few weeks every two or four years aren't aware of how he's changed... they still remember the Straight Talk Express.

I think he'd be very appealing to people who don't want a run of the mill Republican but don't particularly want to vote Democratic, either.

[trotsky]

22. Bingo!

You are exactly right. I fear McCain more than any other 'puke at this point, for the very reasons you list.

[NewJeffCT]

25. We should never underestimate any Republic presidential candidate

McCain, Romney, Huckabee - you name it. Unless they have a "macaca" incident, you'll rarely see the media challenge any of the Republicans.

Meanwhile any Democratic nominee will be swift-boated: what was it that Ed Schultz said on MSNBC the other night - over half the country thinks Obama is a Muslim? WTF?

[judaspriestess]

27. you're right I just had a conversation with a friend of mine

and we began chatting about the presidential race and he says to me "did you know Obama is a Muslim?"

I just went nuts on him. Obama may not be my candidate of choice but I am really sick of hearing this lie about him. It just shows how uninformed Americans are.

http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/11/12/obama_is_a_committed_christian.php

[NewJeffCT]

28. He's not my candidate, either

I'll vote for him if he wins the nomination.

But, that stat blew me away. I can see how people believed Saddam was involved with Al Qaeda & 9/11 because everybody in the White House kept repeating that lie - but, the Obama is a Muslim thing was pure RW grassroots.

[Johonny]

19. Nods

seems that way

[ewagner]

24. Yup...

that's what I think too....

[Mz Pip]

3. We can only hope

I have yet to be convinced that McCain can't win. Never underestimate the Democrats ability to lose elections.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[opihimoimoi]

4. Yup, a Throw Away Pub.....the cleanest of the lot...he will be led to the ALTER

by the rest of Pub Party....

They are trying to LIMIT their Losses and avoid a Landslide

[TwilightGardener]

5. They're gonna let the old man have his day in the sun. And then he'll lose.

[AndyTiedye]

6. Perhaps Hillary Clinton Is the Sacrificial Lamb

The Mighty Slime Machine LOVES McCain. He is for more war, and so are their parent corporations.

They will make sure that the people never see this:

even if they have to refuse our ads.

[CK_John]

7. I have posted many times, they will bring in a ringer at their convention.

Everyone here will scream, "They can't do that", but they can.

IMO, they have a match waiting in the wings for each of our candidates.

My list; Hillary match Lynne Cheney, Obama match Powell, Edwards match John Roberts.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

8. Sacrificial Pile Of Dogshit Maybe.

Lamb? Nah... Lambs are nice, cute and cuddly and stuff.

[doc03]

9. Mc Cain will be the next President

if either Hillary or Obama get the nomination. The MSM loves him and if he goes up against Hillary or Obama that will energize the Republicans like they have never been.

[calmblueocean]

13. There's no way Obama energizes the Repub base like Hillary does.

I listen to talk radio all day, and it's Hillary they loathe.

[doc03]

16. You think some good old

boy from down south or the mid-west for that matter will come out to vote for a guy named Barack Hussein Obama. I work in a Union shop and I'm sure the Union leaders will endorse the Democrat whoever it is, but ther are very few members that will vote for them.
on edit: talk radio such as Rush Limbaugh is fired up about Hillary because at this time he thinks she will be the nominee. If Obama gets it he will be fair game.

[calmblueocean]

17. It's going to be a tough race, no doubt, but tougher for Hill than Obama is my point.

I think, for instance, Obama can carry Ohio, while Hillary won't even come close, because she drives away independents and drives up Republican base turnout. Just my two cents.

[ronbo60]

18. President McCain?

Yes. I cringe at the thought; but, is is the most likely scenario. Clinton is a proven media target (likely loser). Edwards can beat McCain - but is being erased by the media. Obama loses to McCain; Obama IS John Kerry. Kerry and Obama sound identical. Same flat speaking voice. Same lackluster style with no fight. Same get-along-go-along history. Obama loses to McCain in EVERY poll (this is before he has been swift-boated). Obama's soggy style wouldn't spark a campfire. And just because he is black doesn't give him a free pass. He is the black John Kerry; a good idea, but lacks backbone and fight. He wouldn't say sh*t if his mouth were full of it. He might make a great President - but he won't fight to win. Clinton would fight to win, but would be another corporate Democrat. I've read people say he is a great speaker. I only her his senate monotone.

Edwards is our only hope. Perhaps he'd bring Obama or Clinton along as VP. It's then only way we could have our cake (presidency) and eat it too (a black or woman demonstrating leadership).

Otherwise, it's President McCain!

[calmblueocean]

20. Heh, gotta disagree with you, but welcome to DU!

Obama's an outstanding speaker, and has a narrative that's compelling and moving. I like Edwards, but he often does come off as smarmy and pandering to me. (Obviously, to each his own here.) I'll be watching to see how he does in South Carolina, but the man spent 4 years campaigning in Iowa for all he was worth, and couldn't win there. That says something to me.

[doc03]

29. I assume your being sarcastic about Obama

not being a good speaker. Obama is a great speaker no doubt about it but he has been pretty much given a free ride buy the MSM so far. I don't think in the general election the MSM will let him get away with claiming racism every time he is challenged on anything.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

21. I don't think he'll make it

He's a fiscal conservative at a time when the working and middle classes are crying out for federal spending on things like healthcare. McCain only wants to spend federal money on war and defence. In the campaign he'd be killed on the issue of housing relief and healthcare.

[AlinPA]

23. He will attract a lot (probably most) independent voters and his war hero background

will provide a way to get the flags waving. Tough to beat that.

[Carrieyazel]

26. Hillary Clinton will be the sacrificial lamb. She won't beat McCain.

His appeal among independents is the clincher. He's a very shrewd politician. He didn't get the nom in 2000 because the insidious establishment had preselected Shrub.

Now, the establishment scum are desperate. And McCain's the only likely winner in the general. They will go with him, because he's the only electable one.