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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:06 PM
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A $300 "rebate"? I'm laughing so hard, I'm crying.
This rebate is a fucking joke, as far as I can tell. Yes, I'm sure it will help people in the extreme short-term, but I bet that a lot of people will pay bills with the money, not go out and buy goods and services to "stimulate the economy".

All this does is stick a finger in one hole among many holes in the dike. It's not a long-terms solution; nothing fundamental is changing. It's like going on a one-night bender; the only thing we'll have left is a freaking hangover. The problems that were there before the bender will be there when we sober up.

This country is so damned fucked up right now, I can hardly stand it.

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KillCapitalism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:08 PM
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1. It is a joke.
That's like only 2 weeks worth of groceries or 6 tanks worth of gas.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:13 PM
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13. It would only be about 4 tanks of gas for mine.
And I don't drive a gas guzzler. :-(

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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:33 PM
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70. yup, gas $
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:07 PM
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94. A 25 gallon tank implies a gas guzzler. No?
$300/4= $75

$75 per tank at $3 a gallon= 25 gallons

Signed, The Math Police

:shrug:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:20 PM
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95. Thank you, Math Police
I suck at math, I admit.

:)

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:30 PM
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107. Unless this is your car:


:D
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:31 PM
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108. LOL!
Nah, that doesn't resemble mine at all.

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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:32 PM
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111. 1200 If your married...(wrong place, to lazy to move)
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 07:33 PM by Pavulon
thats 1/3 of a great plasma tv. One payment on a porsche, or a quantity of good quality dope..
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DarkmoonIkonoklast Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 03:39 PM
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171. dude, $300 will get you a phat oh-zee of quality bud...
(i think)
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:46 PM
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140. most of it will have to go back as taxes.
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:09 PM
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2. 300? Is that what it is now?
Well Shit. I had made sooo many plans for the original $800.00 they were talking about. Now i don't know what I'm gonna do. Go to WalMart I guess.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:10 PM
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4. Yeah. It starts at $300, and can go up to $1200 for couples with
children. Whoop-de-fucking-do.

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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:09 PM
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3. Plus, it should probably be called a "loan" as we'll have to claim it
as income next year and pay taxes on it.

Meanwhile, somewhere, the most powerful and wealthy are raking in millions in tax cuts to send our jobs overseas, close factories here in the states, and import cheap crap that is harmful to us.

Makes you want to pull your hair out. It would be saner, and less painful in the long run.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:11 PM
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8. Yep. I'm not absolutely sure about the details, but it might
be pretty much the same thing as what happened last time we got a "rebate." It wasn't a rebate at all; it was a loan on future tax returns.

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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 06:56 AM
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163. Right, you could classify it as a loan.
It's an advance on your next tax return. Since, I never receive a return, I will be sending the check back. I always have to pay at the end of the year, so I don't want to pay that money back plus my taxes.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:10 PM
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5. You know there will be fraud
The Norquist bath tub is full of "American funny money" after they drained it of it's water. Strave the beast politics and mentality.

They should all go to jail for treason and robbery.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:11 PM
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9. If only.
They have fucked this country six ways to Sunday.

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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:14 PM
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15. If they had done as you say we might have gotten something
for our tax dollars. Right now all we have is "unending debt".
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:15 PM
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19. I know. Like I said, the only thing we'll end up with is a hangover.
All the problems will still be there. This "stimulus" package makes me want to throw things.

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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:10 PM
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6. you have such a way with words
you go, Girl!! :thumbsup:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:12 PM
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11. Thanks.
Apparently I can cry and type at the same time. :)

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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:10 PM
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7. $300 in groceries doesn't go far.
:(

We're okay for now, but I know everybody isn't.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:12 PM
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12. I know. Mine will go to the light bill.
Thanks, George.

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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:15 PM
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20. I just moved to the frozen north. It won't touch my gas bill.
:(
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:26 PM
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101. My light bill was $22, I use as little electricity as possible, don't even have lights on.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:30 PM
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106. That's pretty impressive.
:thumbsup:

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:11 PM
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10. Nancy takes this very seriously. She put her reputation on the line with the Repugs
to make sure that the children would get that money. She talked about how wonderful it is that the children will get that money on C-Span with Paulson. 300 a person...and for each child. But, if you make less than $3,000 you get Zip.

It makes no sense... Handing out money to the People...while they cover up the rest of the programs like more tax give aways for big business and allowing Fanny Mae to give mortgages for homes up to $700.000.

Nancy always chokes up about her children. She wants to do right by them..
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:14 PM
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16. Well, cry me a river, Nancy.
If you really cared, you'd do the right thing, and put impeachment back on the table, AND tell Bush where he can put that lousy $300.

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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:18 PM
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25. It's the mother in her political persona
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 04:53 PM by mac2
If she cared about children she would care about their parents having jobs, housing, health care, and rights. She'd impeach the murderous/robbing/courrpt/lying leadeship in the White House who are ruining their future. That's an agenda any leader who has courage and morals would care about. Right Nancy?
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:21 PM
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29. It is just absolutely beyond me why she refuses to consider impeachment.
And beyond even that, I can't fathom why she goes along with this crap.

When she first became Speaker, I felt so proud. I watched the State of the Union Address, which I normally avoid like the plague, to hear "Madam Speaker......".

I am disappointed in her, and so angry at her. I don't think she cares about us any more than Bush does, which is to say, not at all.

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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:47 PM
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43. Power seems to be mental disease when not challenged or
controlled.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:49 PM
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46. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Apparently Nancy has never heard that saying.

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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:39 PM
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39. Oh she cares about children
I have a feeling that they have to be the "right" kind of children though wink wink nudge nudge.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:13 PM
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14. 300 bucks isn't going to change anything...
it doesn't even cover gas and groceries. It will just barely cover a month's electricity. It is a band-aid for a slit jugular, IMO.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:16 PM
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22. Exactly.
Just really shows me how incredibly disconnected the powers-that-be really are to what's going on in this country.

They don't get it. If they did, they never would have come up with this stinking plan.

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:23 PM
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65. It's Nothing! And Blatently so....It's insulting ...when Wall St. and repeal of Glass-Steagall
caused another bubble where billions of dollars were lost by Rich Folks she and the Repugs throw $300 at us and we are supposed to feel Grateful? How does that help anyone with a mortgage payment who was swindled by those predatory lenders or..those with Credit Cards to the Max trying to live off their cards with inflation running rampant? That $300 barely would cover an office visit to a specialist if you don't have insurance that gives you a "Co-Pay" because they don't discount for folks without insurance.

It's just so dreadful. It's like a Queen riding through a town in her gilded coach with six horses and footmen in the Middle Ages throwing bread crumbs to the masses as she passes by...and being charmed as the scraggly children rush up and crab the crumbs with their poor dirty little fingers and give a wave to her as she passes by.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:25 PM
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67. That's a very apt anolygy, KoKo
They just said, "Let them eat cake" with nary a glance at any of us.

With "champions" like that, heaven help us all.

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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:14 PM
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17. Dear pResiDUNCE MORAN
To quote vice-pResiDUNCE Shoot-em-bang-bang:

Go F**k yourself
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:15 PM
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18. It's a game of golf for the rich. Doesn't even cover the 19th hole.
Oh thannnnk you Mr. President.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:18 PM
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24. He must think we're going to get down on our knees, and praise the
heavens for this "gift."

Right. :puke:

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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:19 PM
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26. A gift of our own money!
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:16 PM
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21. Is it time for pitchforks and torches yet?
How much money have the bankers gotten in the last months? Billions to save their miserable fucking hides. The people who need money the most are told to eat shit and die, quickly.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:19 PM
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27. And what about the bonuses CEO's get, even when their company's
bottom line stinks big time?

We are indeed the great unwashed. They are throwing a few pennies at us, hoping we'll shut the hell up.

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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:06 PM
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133. If I worked for one of those companies...
where the CEO made millions and everyone else got fucked (like Tyco, Enron, etc) , I would get my coworkers to rise up as one and slay the motherfuckers. But thankfully I dont.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:19 PM
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28. Robbery by Bush
Impeach him Congress!
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:17 PM
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23. I'm just going to use it to pay down a credit card of my Mom's
I have a feeling most people will be putting it towards bills they already have so it's not going to stimulate the economy in any fashion.

TlalocW
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:22 PM
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31. That's exactly what they're going to do.
I won't be going out to buy a TV or clothing or anything. Mine is going to bills, period.

That isn't going to help the economy at all.

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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:43 PM
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72. I'm going to build a fence with it.
We just bought a new house, and we need a fence for the back yard. It's going to cost about $1400. I'm going to use our $1200 for that. I hope Home Depot finds it stimulating! :)
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:49 PM
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76. No, it won't help the economy, but it WILL help the CC companies
and the mortgage companies, and the oil companies, too. They get paid first. This whole scheme is mainly a way to give $$ to the corporations while pretending to help the public. It's hogwash.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:22 PM
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30. You're right, Seattle Girl
Mine's going to the IRS. How "stimulating" is that?
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:23 PM
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32. Maybe it's "stimulating" for Bush.
I think he gets off on watching people suffer.

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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:21 PM
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62. He has a smirking good time watching people suffer.
Takes after his battle axe of a mom. Who said that Katrina evacuees in the Astrodome were better off since they basically had nothing before. These snobbish elitist rich scumbags are disgusting and I can't believe working class people in this Country lavish praise and loyalty on a political family that wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire. Makes no sense too me.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:24 PM
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66. I don't understand it, either.
People like the Bushes have no empathy toward others. They got theirs; everyone else can go fuck themselves.

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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:26 PM
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33. yeah, its a stupid VERY short term solution
to something that is just getting worse and worse by the day.

this is only delaying the inevitable.
they need to fix the problem, not put a bandaid over it.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:28 PM
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34. They may as well not do ANYTHING, for all the good this will do.
The way they ignore the real problems in this country pisses me off to no end, and I'm sick of it.

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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:28 PM
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35. the people who would actually need the $300 won't be getting it
for the rest, it won't change a fucking thing.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:30 PM
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36. Right. That's the other thing that totally sucks about this.
So :nice: that they care so much, huh?

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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:33 PM
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37. true. something needs to be done about wages. nt
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:37 PM
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38. Why can't they understand that the more people make, the more
they spend? I'm no math whiz, but even I understand that.

They argue that goods and services would cost more, if people were paid more. Well, I'd rather pay more for something if it were made in the US, if it were safe, and if it meant that more people had decent paying jobs.

Outsourcing jobs and paying people in the US a crappy wage is like trying to hang onto mercury in your hand. The harder you squeeze, the more of it leaks out.

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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 11:33 PM
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142. not only that.. create jobs and more people pay into the system
His little tax rebate won't affect me. I'm a widow who lives on Social security parents benefits. Job went bye bye in 2004. I have to continue to supplement my income by withdrawing from our savings but I'd rather work and contribute. I'm just grateful that I had this to fall back on, otherwise my son and I would be on the streets right now.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:21 AM
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147. I'm glad you do have that, notadmblnd
There are so many people in situations like that. It's just not right, is it?

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Mike03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:41 PM
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40. I doubt it will even help in the short term!
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 04:42 PM by Mike03
It is absurd; you are right.

The wisest strategic use of the rebate would be to pay off one's existing debt, or some of it. But most Americans now owe somewhere between eight and twenty grand just on credit cards alone--not to mention outstanding debt on autos and houses.

I spent $175 at the grocery store this morning, and that was mostly because I bought organic products. The dollar is buying less and less; we probably face deflation.

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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:47 PM
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42. That's why I said it would be like a one-night bender.
There will be no lasting positive effect of this; probably not much of an immediate positive effect.

I have 5-digit debt, and have to file bankruptcy. How is that $300 going to help there?

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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:59 PM
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49. It isn't. Been there and done that. *hugs*
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Mike03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:12 PM
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59. LOL: "One night bender." That's what it will be, exactly!
You are spot on.

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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:14 PM
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60. I hope they serve something Ilike.
If I'm going to have a hangover, I want it to be worthwhile.

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Gruenemann Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:42 PM
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41. an attempt to buy votes AND...
...there are plenty of people stupid enough to fall for it.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:49 PM
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44. And to shut us up.
Oh, lookie! Daddy gave us $300! Now we won't talk about how he beats mom, spends all the money on booze, and treats us kids like shit. We have $300! Woohooo!!!!

:grr:

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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:49 PM
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45. Remember when Bush was running for office
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 04:51 PM by mac2
and people were promised $600? People fell for it.

Do you think Republicans will elect other Republicans and not Democrats promising change because of it? Maybe because they didn't get change then or will they now.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:50 PM
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47. Yep. And that helped them big time, right?
But you know, it's understandable in a way. When people are hurting, even a band aid seems like a blessing.

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road2000 Donating Member (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:48 PM
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74. Not as insulting
as 40 acres and a mule, but nevertheless, quite insulting.
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:51 PM
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48. but, it's gonna get the economy back on track, and I
can't finish this because I'm laughing so hard and ready to spit at my puter screen. What the fark is wrong with these people?// I heard on NPR this a.m. that they want us to go out and spend this money (is it still money?) on things we need. haysus on a unicycle, I can drink 300.00 worth of liqour in a week and I don't drink that much. .

Who gets to pay for the handout? Will tax revenues really increase if we cut taxes? stay tuned for the next episode of "Let's treat Americans like children"
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:04 PM
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52. You said it!
The Dems have adopted the Republican's "Daddy Party" meme, and they treat us like we're all a bunch of children who's wounds can be soothed by a lollipop.
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:59 PM
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50. No more of a joke than what the Government thinks a person can survive on.
Which is why they think the $300 will make all the difference in the world to someone, and pull them out of a slump. At least what they claim in public.

Pulling Corporate America out of a slump is more like it.

Not to fear though, further funding will have to be cut going to State and Local Governments. So the people will have to end up paying back two or three times the amount given to them, with increased State and Local taxes or services cut. Everything is a racket, and we are Subjects to our Corporate Government.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:07 PM
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53. They really do live in a different world, don't they?
I'm not saying that $300-$1200 wouldn't be a big deal to some people; no doubt it would. But overall, that amount of money is nothing! Not compared to the cost of things these days, from gas to food to medical bills, and so many other things.

And you're right; pulling Corporate America out of a slump is really what it's about. The pittance they are throwing at individuals is just to (they hope) shut us up.

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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:03 PM
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51. Band-aid on a sucking chest wound.
We'll get our checks, the money will be gone within days for most of us, and the economic crash will still be here.

A more effective approach would be to raise and extend unemployment benefits & welfare benefits, which targets the people Bush does not want to benefit - poor and working-class Americans, so people stuck without a job during the recession have the means to weather it without losing everything.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:08 PM
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55. Gotta love that compassionate conservatism, don't ya?
That fucking piece of crap Bush doesn't give a crap about people. As long as he and his rich buddies keep filling their pockets, the rest of us can go to hell.

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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:07 PM
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54. gee, $300 is one car payment and a tank of gas....
or one payment on a credit card bill...

wooohoooo! :woohoo:

if we get any, it's going to pay down debt, we won't be stimulating the economy with it.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:09 PM
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57. That money wouldn't even make a whole car payment for me.
Thank goodness my car is paid off now. I can buy a few tanks of gas, whoop-de-doo.

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #54
104. Your car payment is $250?
I buy whole cars for that much! Geez.
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:35 PM
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114. ? am i supposed to feel guilty or what? n/t
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:00 PM
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127. Yes.
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:20 PM
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139. i don't. n/t
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:21 AM
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158. Then don't complain.
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:27 AM
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165. i wasn't complaining
i was stating facts

did somebody pee in your wheaties?
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:09 PM
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56. I'm going to pay off a credit card...
...and deny one more member of Bush's base the opportunity to bleed a consumer dry through interest payments...}(
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:10 PM
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58. Good.
The less those blood suckers get, the better.

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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:20 PM
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61. Use it to buy some decent pot and some munchies
About a half ounce of AK47, White Widow, White Rhino or Kali Mist and your favorite munchies will go a fair distance at making you mellow.

Or you could get a good bottle of champagne and a full-body massage.


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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:21 PM
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63. Those were the days......
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:22 PM
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64. What's so funny (and sad), is that, instead of pointing this out, the Nancy Disaster went out of her
way to support it.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:27 PM
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68. I will never, EVER understand that.
I will never understand why she throws her support behind Bush and his disastrous policies. I will never understand why impeachment is "off the table."

I. Do. Not. Get. It.

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AmyDeLune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:51 AM
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153. Blackmail...
It's the only thing I can think of to explain her huge about-face. I wonder how many of her family/friends were threatened with "accidents" if she didn't play along. I'm not usually a tinfoil hatter, but with the Bush Klan...!:scared:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:55 AM
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154. I know. I've thought about that too.
She threw us under the bus. Who knows? Maybe they are blackmailing her. I'm not much of a tin foil hatter either, but I'm really at a loss on this one.

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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:33 PM
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69. That won't even cover one of the medical tests I'm having tomorrow.
It might make a down payment.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:36 PM
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71. That's so sad.
It really is.

I guess we know how important we are, huh? :puke:

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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:46 PM
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73. Married with two replacement units. I think it's money that will
be useful for buying groceries and sundries for about five months or longer.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:59 PM
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78. If you can do that, that's great.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:49 PM
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75. thats not gonna buy me a PS3. nt.
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:54 PM
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77. three weeks of food
Thanks dipshit. You really did us a solid. Your amazing financial prowess will amount to a fart in history.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:00 PM
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79. Well said.
That's exactly what it is.

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bamademo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:15 PM
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80. It's $600 per person
It's $300 if you didn't pay income tax. At least that's my understanding.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:19 PM
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82. I keep hearing different things. $300/$600/$1200
Seems to have been changing over the past few days.

Well, if I get $600, I can pay my light bill AND my utilities bill. Woohoo. Love how I'm stimulating the economy.

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:27 PM
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102. This is correct, please fix the OP.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:31 PM
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109. Too late to edit.
And when I initially typed it, they were saying $300.

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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:17 PM
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81. It's a pretty sick joke
These "grown-ups" are a sorry group of individuals
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:20 PM
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83. Yep. How's that gonna work out for ya, MrS?
Somehow, I don't feel a party comin' on.

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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:41 PM
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84. Somehow, I don't think that I'll get that Dodge Magnum with it
Not even at an auction
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:44 PM
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85. Maybe you could get something for a week at Rent-A-Wreck.
Then you could slap a Bush/Cheney bumper sticker on it, so people could see first hand what they've done.

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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:45 PM
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86. why not an 300 buck exxon gift card instead??? LOL
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:54 PM
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88. Ha! There you go!
Should be good for a few tanks of gas.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:50 PM
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87. I saw the "scale", my family gets 1200
I thought it should be reversed. Makes no sense to me either.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:55 PM
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90. It's basically a way to get us to keep our mouths shut.
And now I'm hearing that the earliest the checks may go out is May, but probably not until July.

Jesus Christ in a crutch!

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wildflowergardener Donating Member (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:54 PM
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89. May
The other thing I read online is it won't be coming until at least May - so don't make any big immediate plans for that $300.

Meg
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:56 PM
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92. Yeah, I just noted that.
May at the earliest; most likely it will be July.

They sure know how to help, don't they? :eyes:

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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:34 AM
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166. I'm just surprised it isn't being delivered on, say, November 3d.



Everything else about it is so transparent.



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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:55 PM
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91. It's a handout to the banks and credit card companies - probably whined about bankruptcies

Most of this money will go right to pay down debt.


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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:21 PM
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96. Oh, they are definitely getting a big piece of the pie.
We, on the other hand, merely get crumbs. And some people won't even get that.

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:29 PM
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105. Basically people are paying off their Christmas debts with it.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:56 PM
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93. Yup, window dressing
Smoke and mirrors, bread and circuses, that they hope will fool the peons and prop up the house of cards. I am so sick of "my" government.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:22 PM
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97. I'm sick of it too.
In truth, I think there are fewer people who will be fooled this time, but unfortunately, enough will that they'll think everything is just fine.

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ordinaryaveragegirl Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:22 PM
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98. Reminds me of the commercial...
Where the dam is leaking, and the guy stuffs a wad of gum into the hole and walks away. Then another leak pops up somewhere else.

Even the $1200 rebate won't cover a mortgage or rent payment for many people. Thanks for nothing, Uncle Sam.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:24 PM
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99. And just how do they think this will stimulate the economy?
I think most people WILL use this money to pay bills. They won't be out buying iPods, TVs, and such. They're too worried about making it to the next paycheck (if they have a next paycheck to look forward to).

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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:26 PM
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100. $300? I was lead to believe it was $800
That's what it was touted as on our CBC radio for DAYS.

And I thought that even $800 for an "advance" on your next tax refund was a bit of a scam....
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:28 PM
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103. $600, $300 per child, and $300 for people who don't pay income tax.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:32 PM
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112. At least they threw a few crumbs to those who don't pay income tax.
Still sucks though.
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:37 PM
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115. Are you understanding that this is an advance on a future tax refund?
In other words, if I am due a refund on my taxes that I file for 2008, this $600 check (I'm single) will be deducted from the amount of a future tax refund I am due to receive? This is what is being suggested here and it is the first I've heard of it.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:39 PM
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117. I'm not sure, myself.
I know that's how it worked the first time we got a "rebate". It wasn't a rebate at all; it was a loan on future taxes.

This time, though, I haven't heard whether that will still be the case.

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:59 PM
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126. It's being *called* a tax rebate. The only thing that I am unsure of is the income tax part.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:01 PM
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129. I believe they called it a rebate last time too, but it ended
up being a loan against future taxes.

Again, though, I don't know about this time.

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:06 PM
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135. I think by "tax rebate" that's what they mean. They rebate it from your next tax refund!
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 06:00 AM
Response to Reply #117
160. Well, if it's *not* just a giveaway
then I'd like to know where that $150 billion is going....
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:51 PM
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118. Some people here keep saying that
but I don't think it's been confirmed.
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:52 PM
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119. I've only heard it here.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:01 PM
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128. I saw it confirmed on national (ABC) news.
They were unclear about what would happen to those who don't pay income tax but recieve a check. I assume the same thing.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:58 PM
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125. I'm aware of that. It is a scam, no doubt.
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here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:32 PM
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110. 300.00 is an ounce of quality bud...
Canadian bud so it wont do much for our economy...:evilgrin:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:33 PM
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113. Too bad I gave up bud a long time ago. n/t
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:02 PM
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130. Dude, grow it yourself. Screw that crap.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:39 PM
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116. Since I have been out of work for years they have NOTHING for me.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:53 PM
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121. And I bet you could really use it.
But as usual, they go out of their way to pretend that the unemployed don't exist. :grr:

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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:06 PM
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134. But I am NOT unemployed. I do not show in the numbers. Because I do not get any unemployment
payments any more I do not count at all. I am just looking forward to the CEOs who outsourced IT to have a great time watching their paper profits disappear in the next 3 months.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:08 PM
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137. Sorry.
:hi:
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 11:59 PM
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144. My spouce wondered why the unemployment claims were
Edited on Fri Jan-25-08 12:01 AM by mac2
going down but the economy tanking. I explained many people don't qualify or don't get it. The numbers mean little.

My employer tried to get out of paying mine by putting me on "suspension". I got a lawyer to get it.

The numbers of "discouraged workers" aren't counted either.

When you look at the numbers of people out in the streets in the 3rd world you have to know they are there because they don't have jobs during the day...or any time.

Robbery is going on and the people know it. Too bad the govenment looks the other way. We might say they are part of the problem not the solution.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 02:28 PM
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168. We might say they are part of the problem not the solution. Yes in the GOP world view Government
is only there to transfer money and power from the poor to the rich.

That is why we need to elect a true populist progressive congress and take control of our government.
With all the real problems facing this country like
The crumbling infrastructure
rampant unemployment and
the lack of health care

you would think there would be some real discussion of what needs to be done.

But no we have candidates talking about Mandating health insurance and building walls.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 12:44 PM
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177. I heard Clinton talk about Hillary's health plan on CSPAN
We would all pay for insurance (is that a different thing?). The poor who couldn't would be helped some way (I wondered how).

It wasn't very clear to me.

Do they pick these audiences when they speak? I know the Republican debtes are fixed but what about our Democratic ones?

ONE PAYER NATIONAL HEALTH CARE IS WHAT WE DEMANDED IN THE 2006 ELECTION DEMS!!
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PaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:52 PM
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120. Is it supposed to help people?
I thought it was supposed to "stimulate" the economy.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:55 PM
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123. It's really supposed to quiet the great unwashed masses.
Nothing more.

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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:03 AM
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145. as they lose everything.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 06:03 AM
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161. The two are *supposed* to be roughly synonymous, but of course they are not.... nt
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:54 PM
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122. It's beyond a joke, it's another disaster
Like you said, people won't be going out and stimulating the economy buying crap that they don't need. No, instead they'll be paying off debt, credit card bills, mortgages, etc.

Worse thing is that all this is going to be done with borrowed money, thus the nation's debt goes up some more, the value of the dollar shrinks, inflation rises, and it means that the economic headwinds we're currently sailing into are going to start ratcheting up to gale force.

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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:57 PM
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124. Absolutely, MadHound.
I know a lot of people here get it, but I'm afraid that a majority of people won't.

It's gonna get really, really ugly before all is said and done.

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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:03 PM
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131. I'm going to drink 100 cups of coffee like on Futurama.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:07 PM
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136. All at once?
:scared:

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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:04 PM
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132. That and at least a grand will rent an apartment for a month in Seattle n/t
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:08 PM
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138. Yeah. Doesn't go very far here.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 11:07 PM
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141. I'm going to buy a house! And a new car! And a pony for my niece!
:woohoo:

(At Toys-R-Us)
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 11:54 PM
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143. You mean a doll house, a toy car, and a plastic pony for
your neice? Can't buy much with the big bundle coming to your house soon. Corporations once again get big payoffs.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:23 AM
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148. Hopefully, that whoppin' check will cover it.
:silly:
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CRF450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:08 AM
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146. That'll take care of 3 monthly payments on my dirtbike.
Still owe 3 grand on it too.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:32 AM
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149. I'm gonna save it. That way it helps no one!!!!
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:33 AM
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150. Make sure you hide it under the mattress, then.
Put it in the bank, and they'll come up with some kind of fee to charge you.

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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:40 AM
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151. I'm digging a hole to bury the coffee can in as we speak.
I will go a long way to spite the system.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:42 AM
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152. Good on ya!
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 06:06 AM
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162. before burying that can
go to the bank and get rolls of quarters with your rebate check. You might end up with some silver which will be worth more when the shisit really hits the fan. Then of course mail me the gps co ordinates of where you buried the can in case something happens meanwhile. ;-)
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:11 AM
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155. not like a finger in a dike,
Edited on Fri Jan-25-08 01:12 AM by kineneb
more like using a cork to stop the collapse of Teton Dam.


http://www.geol.ucsb.edu/faculty/sylvester/Teton Dam/Teton Dam-Thumbnails/13.jpg
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:12 AM
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156. Yeah....
btw, the link doesn't work. :shrug:

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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:17 AM
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157. try this one
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:30 AM
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159. Whoa
A picture of our future, for sure, if things don't change soon.

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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:02 AM
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164. I hate to say it but Huckabee described it best.
We're borrowing $150 billion from the Chinese so people can go out and buy $150 billion worth of cheap Chinese junk.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:47 AM
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167. wow, he knoocked that one out of the park!
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 03:33 PM
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169. I didn't watch the debate, but I have to agree.
That's pretty much what we're doing.

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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 03:36 PM
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170. It's like bribery, congress is lobbying us
to pacify us and they get to keep their sorry ass jobs-not DO them-you know like end the war-a few billion there in funds-or impeach the idiots bankrupting us.

"Here's your cash dear-now shut the fuck up."I despise them.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 03:43 PM
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172. That IS their message.
Toss a few crumbs at the great unwashed, and they'll leave us alone.

Guess what, congress? I won't leave you alone, and I doubt a lot of other people will either.

Some of us aren't as stupid as you think we are.

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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 03:46 PM
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173. "Here's 300 the Government Borrowed from China"
"Now go give it to a corporation like a good little slave."


It's worse than a joke... it's fascism.
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:45 PM
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174. I like to think of it as
1 more six-pack of beer a week.

I'd much rather have that then extended unemployment benefits, quality schools, decent roads and bridges, or a plan to rebuild one of our great cities.

I think I'm drinking more since Bush became pretzledent anyway.

:sarcasm:
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:48 PM
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175. They just want a fake bump, and to blame the obvious crash on
The next Dem prez.....

Same with "the surge." It's all about an election year and putting bandaids on the BushCo damages.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 05:02 PM
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176. Well, Bush has pretty much said that dealing with the Iraq war is
going to be on the next President. I'm sure he's thinking the same thing about the economy.

He makes me sick.

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