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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:40 PM Original message |
How to deal with Social Security and Medicare |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
1. Stop the stealing of the surplus would be a start |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 03:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. Under 1936 law... |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. "borrowed" that would mean that is gets paid back |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. Yes, it would. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. There is no "trust fund"; in a few short years, any payments made will come from NEW TAXES |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 07:58 PM Response to Reply #23 |
41. The trust fund is invested in government bonds. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 08:53 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. A "trust fund" has a legal definition--a pile of "I owe MYSELFs" ain't it. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 10:32 AM Response to Reply #42 |
52. Money itself is "an unfunded promise, nothing more". |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #20 |
31. Well, let's see. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 06:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. PS: This is response to 23, |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 08:58 AM Response to Reply #31 |
44. So what's a few trillion more in debt on the backs of your children, eh? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 10:36 AM Response to Reply #44 |
53. The boomers have saved $2.3t to pay for their retirement. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. You both "saved" the money and spent it at the same time? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Because the only thing those savings can legally be invested in... |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
2. Both programs would be solvent |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. what o you mean by "steal"? n/t |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. The monies from payroll taxes |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. By 1936 law, that's what's supposed to happen to any excess |
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #14 |
26. They broke into Gore's "lock box" and took the money |
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leftofcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
3. I agree |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
4. "Pay Social Security to senior citizens according to their means." -- uh, no. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
5. Lifting the caps on the FICA deduction alone would fund the |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Yes, making it progressive would be a good start |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. The beauty of the original design was that it |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. It will become "welfare" the second general payroll taxes are used to pay back the "loans" |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. How so? n/t |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 05:37 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Because a third party will be paying you monies that you didn't earn |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Workers' payments were borrowed into the General Fund. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. "Borrowed" by *exactly the same people* who now demand that they be "paid back" |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 06:16 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Nope. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 08:54 AM Response to Reply #33 |
43. The boomers are the first generation to bankrupt the system |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #43 |
50. Oh, it's the boomer's fault? Sorry, but we're the ones who have been paying into the system |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 12:04 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. People younger than you also pay into the system. So that's not a good argument. nt |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Talk to me when you've paid in as much as some of us (and our employers have). |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
6. A 2% increase in the payrolls for the "bottom 80%" of workers would increase SoSec funds by 2%. |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
7. I don't agree with eliminating the 7.85% deduction from all paychecks. |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
9. What are you smoking if you think that once our 'troops are back these funds will be used to |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Getting rich off the EIC, huh? |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Don't want to trade places, but I limited myself to only having the number of children I could |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Have you ever been poor? |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 05:03 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Yes, I've been poor. I was a divorced single mother at age 21 in 1970. Back then, you |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 06:45 PM Response to Reply #24 |
36. So in other words, it's the "I suffered, why can't they suffer?" syndrome |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 10:02 AM Response to Reply #36 |
49. Well, all I know is I gotten my ass out of bed every day for over 40 years to go to work. I didn't |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #49 |
58. Sometimes people who live like that are genuinely clueless about other ways to live |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 05:08 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Absolutely, I've talked to them and attempt to encourage them. And about the boyfriend, he's |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 05:52 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. There's a lot of money in illegal activities |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
10. You've bought the hype. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
13. Means testing for benefits would destroy the program |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 05:11 PM Response to Reply #13 |
25. Taking money from young workers and giving it to the boomers |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 06:17 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. The "boomers spent on themselves?" |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 06:30 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. In fact, here's what happened. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 08:59 AM Response to Reply #35 |
45. So despite the fact that the President and virtually all members of Congress are boomers... |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 09:42 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. So I take it you're responsible for the atrocities being committed in Iraq? |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 10:07 AM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Ronald Reagan was born in 1911, hardly a bommer! |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 07:02 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. PS. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #25 |
37. Eh, we boomers are paying for previous generations RIGHT NOW |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Plus, even if we only make $5.15/hour... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 09:00 AM Response to Reply #37 |
46. So is everyone younger than boomers. The difference is, boomers will be the LAST generation |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 09:38 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. I'M destroying the social compact? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
40. No, it doesn't sound like socialism, it sounds like welfare. |
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