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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:39 AM Original message |
Blaming corporations is demagoguery |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:42 AM Response to Original message |
1. You've never heard of POCLAD, have you? Here's their website: |
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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:45 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. It's people who are doing it |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:46 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. People HIDING behind corporations |
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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:48 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. yeah, I'm saying that we should ignore the corporation, and figure out who those people are. |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:53 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. One of the primary purposes behind a corporation is to shield |
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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:59 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Yeah, but who does that hurt? |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:16 AM Response to Reply #13 |
18. I can't forget about the laws of limited liability... |
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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:30 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. So I guess your answer to take the ownership of the business from the stockholders, and give it to.. |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:37 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Sure. Make it a three strikes clause. |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:12 AM Response to Reply #25 |
36. The share holders retain the right |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #23 |
58. In the extreme case some corporations may have to be nationalized.. |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #13 |
40. Dude you ARE against Corporations, you just don't know dick about biz law. |
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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. whatever. law student. limited liability protects shareholders, agency law protects executives |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #42 |
66. That explains a few things. |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #13 |
65. Real-Life Situation 2: |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:48 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Supreme Court ruling said corporations = people. Get it? |
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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:49 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. well, technically, corporation are 'persons' not people. Minor law point. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:57 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Pretty minor, indeed. Since it still speaks to my point. |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:39 AM Response to Reply #5 |
26. Actually, from what I understand, that WASN'T the result of a Supreme Court decision |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:44 AM Response to Reply #26 |
54. The case was |
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Cogito ergo doleo (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:49 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Not to put too fine a point on it, but corporations are persons, too. |
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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:03 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Just because the supreme court says it so, doesn't make it right. Remember Bush v. Gore? |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #14 |
41. but, um, because the Supreme said it, it had an affect. Remember Bush v. Gore? |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #14 |
55. The problem is, SCOTUS **DID NOT** say that. |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:45 AM Response to Original message |
3. As long as corporations have unprecedented access to |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:49 AM Response to Original message |
9. Mmmm...supply-side economics....such bullshit. |
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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:50 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Didn't you see the part where I said I want to raise taxes on wealthier individuals? |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:15 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. I did and it changes nothing. |
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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:31 AM Response to Reply #17 |
24. Sorry, but that's Corporate Tax 101. I suggest you ask any tax professor at any MST/JD/LLM if what I |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:42 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. I'll take your word for it. |
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Trillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:06 AM Response to Original message |
15. reclaimdemocracy.org has a nice little history of corporations. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:08 AM Response to Original message |
16. They shouldn't be legal fictions |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:18 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. I think we should start confiscating them and giving them to the employees. |
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warren pease (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
50. Yup... The corporate death penalty... Personhood THIS, bastards... |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 07:17 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. And this doesn't even touch on what they do to people in other countries. |
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warren pease (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:37 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Yup, you're right... 21st century imperialism featuring Abramoff, Delay and Saipan slavery... |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #52 |
61. Thanks for looking this up and posting it here! |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:17 AM Response to Original message |
19. I see what you are saying but are you not aware that corps. are "persons" according to law? |
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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:25 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. it's an oversimplification to say that corporations are like "persons" under the.. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:24 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Here: |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:25 AM Response to Original message |
21. If the right wing takes away corporations "protections as persons" and their power and |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:29 AM Response to Reply #21 |
28. I'm sorry MT, but you completely missed the OP's point |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:05 AM Response to Original message |
30. Multinational corporations have more rights than you or me or my children. |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:07 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. You-re right. The right wing has duped the anti-abortion crowd into thinking |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:10 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. and shifting things further toward theocracy, which is about systems of control, not faith |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:19 AM Response to Original message |
31. couldn't disagree more |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 07:55 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Private tyrannies required by law to ignore the public trust ahead of shareholders |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #33 |
39. they ruthlessly externalize costs, meaning *we* support the very actions |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 07:53 AM Response to Original message |
32. Have you seen the movie "The Corporation"? |
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elizfeelinggreat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:25 AM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Yes and they exist only |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
37. I pretty much agree... |
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jasmine621 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
43. I think Hillary understands this precisely. Obama demagogues the issue. |
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
44. Shit ! |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:32 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. I second that |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
45. Exxon is still alive and making record profits almost twenty years after the Valdez oil spill |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:34 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. and how about health insurance companies? |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. I suspect the same can be said for the lobbying efforts of the growing for profit |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. yep - don't get me started on the for-profit prison system |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
53. Seeing as how a cabal of large corporations run our federal |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
56. Antitrust is the real issue. |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
57. corporations will be the death of this country. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
59. I would be more than happy to go after the weasels that run them too ... nt |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
60. People here tend to use the term "corporations" to describe |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
62. Did you come over from free Republic? |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
63. What are you, a member of Tom Donahue's Chamber of Commerce, the biggest lobbyist in DC? |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Do something |
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