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midnight armadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 07:13 AM Original message |
What Makes Finnish Kids So Smart? |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 07:23 AM Response to Original message |
1. I bet the parents stress education more too. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 07:33 AM Response to Original message |
2. They don't start school until they are 7. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 09:21 AM Response to Reply #2 |
14. One of the reasons for universal preschool in the U.S. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 02:42 AM Response to Reply #14 |
65. Great post, thank you LWolf |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 09:38 AM Response to Reply #2 |
17. The crafts part strikes me. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #17 |
74. That's why Waldorf schools teach knitting in 1st grade. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 07:36 AM Response to Original message |
3. They go to Finnishing school? |
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Darth_Kitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #3 |
32. hee hee. |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #3 |
42. bad Zorra |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
51. You'll go to Helsinki for that. |
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
4. They eat lots of fish oil ? |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #4 |
30. I don't know if you meant that as a serious post or not but it is the truth |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 02:44 AM Response to Reply #4 |
66. Maybe they eat lots of herring. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
72. lol! My parents always told me that fish were "brain food"!!! |
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MeDeMax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 07:54 AM Response to Original message |
5. Linus Torvalds = Finnish kid = Linux movement |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 08:00 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. On an another note |
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demnan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
7. I bet they don't have the insane dialog |
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MeDeMax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 08:28 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. you are 100% right |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 09:41 AM Response to Reply #8 |
18. If you learn about evolution, ID is stupid. |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #8 |
33. and perhaps intelligent design |
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Caria (241 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:12 PM Response to Reply #8 |
38. Who teaches "Intelligent Design"? |
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Tindalos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #8 |
41. ID is mostly an American thing |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
64. There's no deciding. ID IS WRONG. IT'S BULLSHIT. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 07:30 PM Response to Reply #64 |
84. Science is the most superficial form of knowledge there is. Evolution |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 06:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
82. Name one other country that teaches ID. n/t |
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BadgerLaw2010 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 09:02 PM Response to Reply #8 |
91. ID is trash and fails the scientific method. |
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displacedtexan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 08:31 AM Response to Original message |
9. With the sweet (smart) comes the sour (suicide rate) |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 08:33 AM Response to Original message |
10. they give kids time to be kids -- |
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recoveringrepublican (779 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
11. How many hours do their parents work? |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #11 |
44. The medical, social, economic safety net of Finnish (and other Scandinavian) society(ies)... |
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recoveringrepublican (779 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 08:41 AM Response to Reply #44 |
92. I agree |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
12. genes? |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
13. Here are some significant factors that you missed: |
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Sadie5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 09:25 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. There is something about the age thing |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 09:49 AM Response to Reply #15 |
22. Of course there is. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 02:51 AM Response to Reply #15 |
67. I have a daughter born in September. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 08:57 AM Response to Reply #67 |
94. I have no doubt. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 10:32 PM Response to Reply #94 |
110. Actually, when we lived in Europe, I saw quite a bit of |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 09:27 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Having been a college professor, I can state emphatically that not everyone should go |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 09:45 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. That's true. |
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rtassi (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #16 |
28. Agreed ... however, I seasonally employ college age young men and women ... |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 09:09 AM Response to Reply #28 |
96. Neither of my sons finished college. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #16 |
85. This is the great curse of atheistic Socialism. They don't understand that |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #13 |
27. I don't think diversity is the challenge. I think inequality is the challenge. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #27 |
34. You are correct about inequality. |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 10:59 PM Response to Reply #34 |
60. I think cultural diversity is not the problem, the educational system is |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 09:15 AM Response to Reply #60 |
69. Cultural diversity is not a problem. It's reality, |
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midnight armadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 08:57 AM Response to Reply #60 |
93. Ding ding ding ding! |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 06:33 PM Response to Reply #60 |
108. The churches don't pay tax. In fact they have the legal right to levy taxes on members |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 11:11 PM Response to Reply #108 |
113. well I think there should be a way to implement a progressive flat tax n/t |
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progressivejazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #13 |
48. Homogeneous population? |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. "homogeneous" is a term quoted from the article. |
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progressivejazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. I simply disagree with the term; but we agree with each other |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Thank you. |
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ben_meyers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Compared to Minneapolis, it is Homogeneous |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #54 |
76. Just because they speak the languages in the homes doesn't mean |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 09:22 AM Response to Reply #76 |
97. It's great to be multilingual. |
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midnight armadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #13 |
58. it was a quickie post |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 08:27 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Unless you are listening to me, lol. |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 05:58 AM Response to Reply #13 |
68. you're referencing the article which says the drop-out rate is about 25% in the u.s. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 09:18 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Yes. |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. yes, i guess my point was that in a lot of places (chicago for example) |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. That's true in so many areas. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #13 |
111. They do in Oregon, it's a disaster |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
19. Sounds like treating everyone the same makes a big difference |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
21. Linus Torvalds n/t |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
23. watch this, too.. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
24. In my early childhood education classes, I have learned that creativity is a problem |
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Gimli (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #24 |
35. Is our children learning? |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 09:33 AM Response to Reply #24 |
98. Our system is geared to create workers & consumers. .. . not curious seekers!. . .n/t |
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BluePatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
25. Omega-3's! |
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Reader Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
26. Captioned TV plays a *big* role. |
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JBoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #26 |
40. Wow, that's an interesting thought! |
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Infidel69 (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
29. Hmmm... |
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Darth_Kitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
31. They need to be smart in order to know how to pronounce their own names. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
36. what? no ten commandments? |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
37. Maybe it's because our country pays too much attention to differences? |
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ben_meyers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Maybe there aren't many differences in Finland |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. True. |
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ben_meyers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. When I lived in Minnesota |
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devilgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
39. Perhaps the Finns aren't as obsessed about "fitting in" and being "COOL" |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #39 |
61. they don't have disney chanel either n/t |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 06:25 PM Response to Reply #39 |
106. oh yeah? |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
45. I posted a related article here: (just FYI) |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
47. Kids schedules here seem to be so crammed, they don't have time to actually absorb anything |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
53. Their parents**nm |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
56. I think one key is more individualized teaching for *all* children - not just a select few |
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tomreedtoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
57. "Let kids be kids" - in other words, destructive little bastards? |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:07 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. They may prefer to play with marbles, sticks, dirt, clay, dice ... |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #62 |
78. Letting kids be kids by not forcing them to read and do worksheets in kindergarten |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
63. Plus, they don't let mythological religious bullshit interfere in education. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 08:00 PM Response to Reply #63 |
86. That's right, come back swinging! I like your style (if not your substance)! |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #63 |
103. Is there nothing a bitter man cannot blame on religion? |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
73. They have more of a social safety net than we do. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 08:01 PM Response to Reply #73 |
88. It's difficult to concentrate if you live in a stressed out society, and your |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
77. Same Reason Finns Are The Happiest |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. That's actually the Danes, but Finns are in the top five for the |
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KT2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
79. I would bet |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
80. As usual, the RW press blames our inability to do the same on minorities: |
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midnight armadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 09:02 AM Response to Reply #80 |
95. It's actually more about community |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 03:37 PM Response to Reply #95 |
102. I entirely agree. But healthy communities CAN include all races and |
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burrowowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
83. And their parents can pay more attention to them |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
87. Fins like being smart. Americans like being stupd. Next question? |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
89. No real surprise. Parents attitude and inadapted curriculum in the US. |
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rolleitreks (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
90. Aryan genes. Just kidding. n/t |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
99. The Finnish whatever the begin? nt |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
100. Wow!!! Canada is No. 3! |
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senaca (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
101. Surely we could try replicate teaching methods in math. |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 06:30 PM Response to Reply #101 |
107. Scandinavian input |
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riverdeep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 07:24 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. Interesting input. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
104. remember.... |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #104 |
112. Japan is another country where |
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klyon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
105. fish |
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