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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 04:48 PM Original message |
Current campaigns aside, was NAFTA really that bad? |
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LSparkle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
1. It might have continued as a slow drip .. NAFTA turned the tap on full force |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
2. Superpowers don't do "free trade" |
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leftofcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
3. I think NAFTA is the scapegoat |
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Mojambo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
4. Yes, it was (and is) |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
5. Yes it was that bad |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. the All American Camaro was made in Canada, the GTO in Australia |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 05:03 PM Original message |
But |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
14. Europe has "isolationist policies" in place |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 09:03 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Yes it is a red herring because I didn't say that |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:53 AM Response to Original message |
55. I agree. And, apparently, the non-union jobs in making Japanese cars |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 10:30 AM Response to Reply #5 |
21. The Mustang is made in Flatrock, Michigan (in a Mazda plant!) nt |
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AlertLurker (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #5 |
22. Not so good for Canada, either. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
6. Trade Tariffs |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Why did real median wage go up until Bushco if our old jobs paid better? |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. dot.com boom |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 09:08 AM Response to Reply #11 |
18. you mean the boom that at it's absolute peak employed less than one tenth |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 11:15 AM Response to Reply #18 |
24. From what I've looked at, median wages grew slower or remained stagnant for the last 20 yrs. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Not so, moot and not so in that order |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. I concede the first two but still have a thing to say about the last. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Maybe I should have been more lucid |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. I concede the point on median income at this point. Indeed, by the median numbers, I was wrong. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. No disagreement there |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Simple on paper, but there'll necessarily be a lot of stonewalling by corporate interests. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #38 |
48. No, you were right. He is wrong. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #28 |
44. That table is PER CAPITA income |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Why is male better than per capita? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Per capita divides total US income by the total population. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. and male median is better |
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Disturbed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 05:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. Immigration Flood Unleashed by NAFTA's Disastrous Impact |
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Andy823 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
8. Good topic |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:02 AM Response to Reply #8 |
56. I think that the problems for farmers in Mexico go back to the 80s, at least |
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Elwood P Dowd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
9. NAFTA was NOT a free trade deal!!!!! |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:05 AM Response to Reply #9 |
57. It appears, though, that the Texas border towns have greatly benefited from it |
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trthnd4jstc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
12. It was Bad, but there is more than Nafta. |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
13. NAFTA.... |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
15. Actually NAFTA is part of an idea that goes back 400 years |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
19. I think the concept is a sound one.. |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
20. NAFTA was one of the best accomplishments of the Clinton administration |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #20 |
30. when you replace decent paying w/benefits for low-paying jobs without benefits- how is that good? |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
23. NAFTA is unfair because it didn't include minimum safe labor and environmental standards. |
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iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
25. i think nafta was great, for the economy it was instituted under |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
26. Was even good for Mexico? |
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ReformedChris (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
27. NAFTA is a negative, but Reaganomics and Corporate Leaders (Jack Welch) started the trend |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
29. Interesting numbers: |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. "...If it were due to NAFTA, then why did it take so long for the loss to happen?" |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. I actually do those things for a living |
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Elwood P Dowd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Who believes stats from cooked books? |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. All numbers are compared to themselves |
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Elwood P Dowd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Your outsourcing job must pay you well. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. spinning? The guy who actually supplies data doesn't spin |
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Elwood P Dowd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 05:07 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. Your data is a worthless joke!! |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #35 |
52. For a person who doesn't know per capita income from median |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #29 |
46. You seem to be pushing a certain storyline on nafta. |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
31. Yes, it was-- and GAT was even moreso. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
34. Yes. Fair trade, not free trade. The Ohio thing is a sham and a lie. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #34 |
54. Ouch, the truth hurts for some here who favor neoliberalism. |
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countryjake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
51. NAFTA was only good for those who own the means of production... |
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warren pease (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
53. Great if you enjoy participating in the race for the bottom... |
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