Have you seen this, worlds deadliest shotgun, blackwater style

[madokie]

http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c

I see no need for this especially in mercernaries hands, home or abroad

[ThomWV]

1. Don't you know a joke when you see one?

I don't mean that the film is a sham or that the gun doesn't exist, only that the gun is a joke.

No one is ever going to carry that gun in combat, it is the providence of the comic-book crowd. First off nobody at all would be able to carry enough ammunition to make it a viable combat weapon, always a matter of much concern to grunts on the ground. As a defense weapon in a vehicle its worthless too because of its very limited range - even if they were to shoot slugs out of it. Next, look it its size and even with space-age materials consider how much it weighs - once again, ask any grunt who has ever had to carry a gun a few miles how they feel about the weight of the things. Next thing, even if it was shooting buck-shoot, OO or even larger, its range is severely limited. I would be please to stand 100 yards away and let you shoot at me all day long with that thing if I had some sort of face shield to protect my eyes, otherwise I wouldn't be much worried about it.

Shotguns are probably the best self defense weapon you can have in your home. They are also the weapon of choice if you are going to use a gun to feed yourself, but this silly boy's toy they have built is simply worthless for just about any military purpose.

[madokie]

6. I see it for what it is and thats why I thought it would be worthy of sharing the video

In all the trips into the villages in 'Nam, hundreds, my shotgun always brought along a riot gun and he would have creamed his drawers if he had something like this toy to play with. A 68 passenger bus has lots of room for not only Vietnamese but boxes of ammo too. In my recollection we never bothered with the 00 if it wasn't in close quarters to start with. This weapon in the wrong hands would be some kind of scary machine or at least it seems as it would be to me that is.

Anyways just passing this on for others to see

[ThomWV]

11. And I thank you for it

I know what you mean. I did 3 tours on the ground (central highlands) myself. I carried a Sweedish-K myself. Lots of bullets, 9mm, only 1 moving part - the bolt. It would not jam if you packed it with mud and peanut butter, was smaller than an M-1 carbine, and didn't weigh much more than a pair of .45's.

[Lasher]

8. Every Army entry team has a Remington 870

But a primary purpose is for knocking on a door with great enthusiasm. Shotguns were a weapon of choice for some soldiers in South Vietnam, where they experimented with flechette ammunition that used darts instead of lead or steel shot.

But you're right, if your enemy is not at close range, you don't want to be holding a shotgun, looking at someone with a rifle.

[Pavulon]

22. We had Mossberg's

they were old as an NG unit they would be issued in weather related events to mp units. They did work, well. They were converting to the 1014 when I was leaving. So after a few broken weapons may have showed up.

[Lasher]

25. Would that have been a Mossberg 590?

What a coincidence, I just happen to have one here in my gun cabinet and it looks exactly like the one in this photo, including the bayonet lug. Very good for home defense.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

2. Lovely.

I think that guy in the video was about to have an orgasm over it. :eyes:

[RedCappedBandit]

41. That was my response, too..

Guy has issues.

[SpiralHawk]

3. "Can't wait to use one hunting." - Dickie "Five Military Deferments" Cheney

[TheCowsCameHome]

4. "Can't wait to show it to my friend Harry Whittington", says Deadeye Dick

[rocktivity]

5. My immediate reactions were

"It's too big," and "I feel like I'm watching porn." Not bad considering I'm a complete amateur in BOTH fields!

:rofl:
rocknation

[madokie]

7. my six foot 160 lb frame would probably be like putty once I squeezed off a few rounds

while holding that bugger.
I know some big ole boys who could handle it well though as most of us here prolly do, while some here probably could handle it themselves. tripod mounted it would be most deadly in close quarters no doubt.
Personally I like diplomacy much better, dialog itself doesn't kill many.

[ThomWV]

9. They said its gas opperated, so it wouldn't kick much

It would bounce around a good bit but it wouldn't kick all that much. Gas opperated shotguns are pretty good that way.

[lazer47]

13. After walking around in the "bush" for 2 or 3 days,, knee deep in water

wonder how well it would perform with grim and grit in it, can you imagine how often you have to clean that thing

[madokie]

16. Our m16 weren't very good in that department back then either best I remember

I think I heard them say in the video that it is for the most part made of stainless so it wouldn't need a lot of cleaning and oiling but I take that with a grain of salt. Originally the m16 was so close toleranced that they would lock up on you whereas under the same conditions an ak47 would still be going. Later best I remember they loosen the m16 up a tad to help in that department.

Talk about something that would get the neighbors attention this rapid fire 12 gauge would sure do it. hell it has me and all I have done is see the video.

I feel I must include that our mission back then is the same as the kid's today is, wrong. All my Vietnam Vet friends of today think the same thing too.

[madokie]

14. After I came home years ago I haven't had much interest in guns anymore

Shortly after coming home I admit I bought a little 22 that was a sweet little gun but after a couple days all I could see was it was reminding me of what I didn't care to see anymore so I gave it to one of my friends, he still has it and was showing it to me a while back, its still a nice rifle and it would be perfect for squirrel hunting if I still did hunt. Yep being myself hunted took all the fun out of my hunting I guess.

[lazer47]

18. I'm the same way okie, I just don't see the need anymore to kill something

I'm to old to be trapesing around in the woods freezing my ass off just to eat "squrill meat", give me a good IHOP and breakfast anytime,,,,although I still keep a 38 and 12ga double in a locked case, I only take them out once a year to clean them,,,

[madokie]

27. Same here, now all I want to do is look for mushrooms and take pictures

morels and oysters are my mushrooms of choice now that I've gotten older

[Xenotime]

26. How does it use gas?

like in your car?

[madokie]

29. using the gas pressure to work the works rather than the recoil from the cartridge itself

right before the projectile leaves the barrel it uncovers a hole leading to a piston which in turn does the mechanical work of removing the spent shell. Some one please help with an explanation that makes more sense than mind does as I've not being paying much attention to the gun world for quite some time now and it shows.

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. You were accurate

I had to do some readin' on it for a short story I'm working on.

Don't ask

But the mechanism is simple. It takes advantage of the expanding gas to push the bolt the spent cartridge out, while bringing in a fresh cartridge

What I enjoy of film like that is that it is slow mo, so I can SEE it, and use the visuals for ahem, writing, when I need that.

And it does not matter if this is a new Jackhammer (which truly never saw service, or rather extensive service) or the pistol we rarely go target shooting with

[madokie]

35. thanks Nadie

;-)

[Lasher]

10. Dialog itself doesn't kill many?

Have you been to GD-P lately?

[madokie]

12. OOps,

are you kidding me even when something I'm really interested in that I post get put over there I won't go see for the fear of being bloodied just from looking.

[Lasher]

21. I opted out and my life is much happier.

But maybe I'll have a boatload of beer today and then go back in there and tease them.

[aikoaiko]

15. The full auto capability doesn't add much over semi-auto -- its a very slow cycle rate

The most useful thing about this shotgun is its easy to change magazine drum.

Of course my Saiga is just as good and there are 10 round box mags and 20 round drums.

"World's Deadliest Shotgun" is just advertising. A bad guy would be just as dead from grandpa's side by side.

[madokie]

17. I guess what caught my eye in this was the blackwater sign early on

someone has plans for them and I hope they are not allowed to see them through, if it is it won't be America anymore.

[aikoaiko]

20. I understand -- Blackwater benefits from being intimidating

Guns like that are meant to intimidate nonviolent folks (as well as be useful against those who are not intimidated).


You know what helps to not be intimidated -- having equal firepower. There are a lot more of us than them.

[madokie]

36. All new to me, I guess thats what crawling under the rock done for me

http://www.saiga-12.com/

Thanks, I was totally unaware of these weapons.

[Birthmark]

19. WANT! WANT!

Gimmee, gimmee!!

[tularetom]

23. I dunno - the magazine looks bulky and difficult to carry around

and it only holds 20 rounds so it'd be hard to take the thing very far from a source of ammunition.

What was awesome was the little 12 ga. fragmentation shells. Imagine those adapted for your 870.

[krispos42]

39. I've often thought....

that somebody should make a new tactical cartridge.

I think a 16-gauge "rimless" shotshell with a extractor croove in place of the traditional protruding rim would be good for a tactical shotgun.

By replacing the protruding rim as described, it would be much easier to load these shotshells in a box magazine. And a 16-gauge hull will still hold 8 or 9 double-ought buckshot pellets, same as standard tactical 12-gauge load.

Imagine, say, a Remington 11-87 with a 15-round detachable mag, and a soldier with a few more magazines on his belt. That's SERIOUS firepower!

[RC]

24. Thanks. Now I have to wipe up the testosterone dripping out of my monitor.

There are some mighty sick people out there. We don't need more killing machines and that is what this is. How long till the gun nuts will be clamoring for a civilian version to bolster their masturbation fancies with.

[TreasonousBastard]

28. This works better...

[madokie]

30. That looks like it might be a kick you down then stomp you type weapon

My little 160# wouldn't be any match for that from the third squeeze on, methinks.
Beautiful gun though. I guess its the simplicity of the mechanics of weapons that attract me to them in the first place.

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. It is a Jackhammer brought to the modern day

and the mercs will be the first ones to get this, unfortunately.

Just as they are getting new APCs

[madokie]

32. Yes, that is what worries me most about something like that

the hands they will be put in. Is this the first time that America has actually used merc's such as blackwater?

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. Yes

And remember they were on Merican streets after Katrina

Good news, the Jackhammer never saw extensive service... neat toy, but never really saw extensive service. Not even with police departments.

And outside of GAMING books, you rarely hear it mentioned today.

The AA 12 will have a similar fate... I hope

[krispos42]

37. I think I saw that episode

IIRC, they had two of those shotguns mounted to a turret on an armored vehicle with the big 32-round magazines in them. The turret also had a camera, and could be controlled by a gunner sitting inside the vehicle.

Not a bad idea, but reloading them would be a bitch. "Here, Jimmy, crawl up outside the hatch and reload the shotguns. I'll cover you...".

[lonestarnot]

38. 300 rounds a minute.

[Tektonik]

40. Yay we get to kill more Iraqi civilians!

:scared: