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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:25 AM
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Comments from Frontline's messages boards, re: Bush's War
What do you say to some shit like this?????? :puke:

Dear FRONTLINE,

Yes, the lesson to be learned is that the media and Democratic leadership will continue to sell America down the river given any opportunity. The media is our worst enemy at war or at peace.

It remains unbelievable to me that the Democratic leadership and the media continue undercutting the American war effort. "Bush's War" retrospective(?) is treasonous by timing alone. We remain with soldiers in the field of war. This piece serves only one 'useful' purpose and that is to give encouragement and energy to America's opposition. You have justified and re-enforced the oppositions desire for killing rather than cooperating with coalition soldiers in the field.

Had the 2nd Iraq war ended with the first bombs striking Saddam and sons in the first bunker and Iraq had became a peaceful democracy full of wine and roses overnight this 'retrospective' would still contain the same 'venom' but hold on a minute all of the turncoats trying to salvage their own reality thru commentary for "Bush's War" wouldn't have had to turn coat would they? And I doubt that they would have turncoat under better circunstances either.

Should such a 'retrospective' be made? YES. Should it be released before our men and women leave the front -ABSOLUTELY NOT.

Finally, no matter how self-righteous the producers of "Bush's War" wish to view themselves-no one has the power to assess the world today if Saddam maintained his $25,000, or increased, bounty for families of suicide bombers of Jews and Americans, Manila had not finally began rounding Al-Qaeda militants kidnapping Americans and European tourist for bounty to release but murdered instead, Libya had not relinguished its nuclear program, neighbors of Formosa Straits had not began rounding up the pirates, had Singapor, Cambodia, Thailand, Indonesia all not gotten serious about rounding up terrorists after the coalition invaded Iraq.

Get off of America's back, NOW. President Bush is America's backbone and I am greatful that he is a strong person because the Democratic and Republican leadership and the media are snivelling mush boned step-children to America's hope in the world.

I have not seen one piece in the media that tries to assess the global picture. Every piece has no credibility because it has the "we are trashing Bush" stamped on the cover. If there is no one left to convince then why was this piece produced. If there are holdouts that the media is still trying to convince, but not yet, to be anti-Bush maybe an open media mind to their view of the world may have been a better 'retrospective'.

Bill Graves
Denver, CO



I really, really believe that these people have mental problems.

Dear FRONTLINE,

The title alone should tell everyone what type of program this was. It was blatant anti-Bush, anti-America, reporting. Many of the people interviewed were from the news media and many of the military and civilians interviewed were full of "I believe what he meant" or "I believe what was said was".

Your so-called facts are totally wrong. You talk of the al Qaeda captured as some poor political prisoners who were mistreated instead of an ememy that we successfully deemed intelligence from that nabbed other terrorists or saved lives. You missed the fact that the "16 words" of President Bush's speech did not come from the CIA yellow cake intelligence but was from the British and European intelligence that has been proven to be true. I will be interested to see if in part 2 you mention that the WMD was found by our troops in Iraq and parts were shipped by convoy to Syria. But I'm sure you will say the same old tripe coming from the left.

This could easily be mistaken for a Michael Moore movie.

Champaign, Illinois



These people make me ashamed to be an American. I'm even more embarrassed that he's a carbon-based life form.

Dear FRONTLINE,

Sadly, nothing ever changes when you are dealing with the media. PBS continues to allow arrogant, ignorant, and biased newspeople to politicize and second guess the actions of well meaning professionals. War is hell, period. No one wants war, but murderous tyrants do NOT play by any accepted rules and only respond to force. WWII is a perfect example.

The news media helped to keep us out if WWII until Hitler was so powerful that most of the world was engulfed in war! Tens of millions of people needlessly died as a direct result! Just because WMD's were not found AFTER Clinton gave them 8 years to hide them doesn't mean they don't exist! The Iraq's have used WMD's many times and simply hid them.

Everyone makes mistakes, both Democrat or Republican. 9/11 was possible because of Clinton's failure to deal with terrorism in general and, specifically, Iraq! (I worked in the field and know the truth!) Frontline is just a bunch of biased wimps that have NO honor or professionalism and will stop at nothing to distort the truth to their own verson of reality. This Includes the use of totally biased and unqualified "experts" (Often administrators)and disenfranchised, biased government employees in their news reports. Why did they NOT use the actual weapons inspectors, who SAW the WMD's, in their reports?

There has never been a statue erected to a critic, much less disingenuous critics! Frontline is nothing but unprofessional, biased critics.

Richard Flores
Albuquerque, NM




http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/bushswar/talk/index3.html

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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:32 AM
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1. Well, here's one thing I would say
"Finally, no matter how self-righteous the producers of "Bush's War" wish to view themselves-no one has the power to assess the world today if Saddam maintained his $25,000, or increased, bounty for families of suicide bombers of Jews and Americans, Manila had not finally began rounding Al-Qaeda militants kidnapping Americans and European tourist for bounty to release but murdered instead, Libya had not relinguished its nuclear program, neighbors of Formosa Straits had not began rounding up the pirates, had Singapor, Cambodia, Thailand, Indonesia all not gotten serious about rounding up terrorists after the coalition invaded Iraq."

Aside from the 25k payouts to suicide bombers, all of those other things could have been accomplished through diplomacy, bargaining, or just plain jawboning *without* the hugely expensive and militarily draining invasion of Iraq! Once these people have accepted that Iraq is the "central front of the war on terror", they seem to start attributing all kinds of things to the war. That's wrong. What does getting Taiwan to go after pirates have to do with Iraq? You tell me, Bill. I'd like to hear that. What? We needed to intimidate the Taiwanese? Please.... As far as Libya goes, there were moves by that regime to have a rapprochement with the west even before the Iraq invasion, and so on and so forth.

And as for the Saddam terrorist payouts themselves, it's not like Hamas and crew are hurting for funds, what with those Saudi telethons on their behalf and all. How come we hardly ever hear about them?
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:45 PM
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11. It is part of their religion to support widows and children of fighters who
die for their country or religion. He wasn't encouraging terror he was doing as the Koran says he should do.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:03 PM
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17. Regardless
Their whole "the Palestinian terrorist orgs. are way worse off without Saddam" argument is meaningless since he was hardly their most important benefactor.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:02 PM
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23. For that we'd need to look at the Saudis. They seem to have a pass
on any assault against us or the Israelis.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:36 AM
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2. ....
Fuck you and your ignorance, Bill, Richard and anon in Champaign, Illinois. Im sure you are so damn proud of being one of only 19% left who still support monkeyboy and his illegal evil policies.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:36 AM
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3. These are delusional people, who call facts 'un-American'. The remaining 19% defenders of Bush and
his immoral 'war'!
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:53 AM
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4. It's not surprising
They cling to their comfortable beliefs because the facts scare them. They will never accept that they put their faith in a pack of lying criminals because they can't deal with the knowledge that what they believe is wrong.

Jesus making the blind see is a parable these people will never understand.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:09 PM
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5. You do what I do...you laugh at them and take pity on their gene pool...
...because ANYTHING that stupid will eventually die off...
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:17 PM
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6. those supporters of this illegal war will never admit or see the
true facts of this illegal invasion, they are just totally willfully ignorant to the facts.
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:58 PM
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7. These ignorant 19% 'ers are still trying to justify Viet Nam.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:06 PM
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8. Future camp guards. Catwoman is there for us, though.
They didn't watch the show, no doubt of that.

These are the people who would take away our rights without a second thought.

Thank God we have you and the whole clan a-fightin' back fer us, Catwoman.

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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:19 PM
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10. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
:rofl:
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:01 PM
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22. I PROMISE not to keep doing this to you. I PROMISE.
Except every now and then.

Like when I need Granny's tonic.

And it is now spring, after all.

And Jethrine is startin' to look mighty good. Ah'm sure I can beat out that worthless Jazzbo DePew.

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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:06 PM
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24. will you fucking quit it???? you're worse than Trumad!!!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:06 PM
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9. Three examples of the people that we SHOULD be at war with
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:45 PM
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12. So, if we're fighting for a lie, we must lie between us until the lie is won!?
Then we can have a "retrospective" tell us it was for a lie.

Too bad so many needlessly died, and too bad so many more needlessly died because we could not tell you about the problem until the war would be over and everyone was home from the front.

Did I get that right?

Are you nuts?
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:47 PM
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13. "Why did they NOT use the actual weapons inspectors, who SAW the WMD's"
Wow...how's the air down there in Albuquerque?!?
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:50 PM
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14. Were all the comments like that? I can't bring myself to go look n/t
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:56 PM
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15. we all need to post counter arguments...
to the idiot's posts. :banghead: Light up the dark!
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:19 PM
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18. I'd like too but I haven't had cable or TV in almost a year so I'd
feel guilty posting about something I hadn't seen. I heard it was really good though.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:57 PM
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16. please DO look
I would say there are about a total of 5 such responses.
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:21 PM
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19. Thank you - I did. Wow - most of the comments are fantastic!!! n/t
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Dragonfly Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:56 PM
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21. I looked at PBS.org earlier this evening and
established the same truth that you did.

I started watching Part 1 last night at 9 CST in St. Louis (KETC), pledging to myself that, since a friend was going to tape both parts for future viewing, I would just view the first hour so I wouldn't be a zombie when the alarm went off at 5:30 a.m. for work.

I could not turn away from this stellar presentation. I decided to tough it out and see the entire Mon. night segment and will do the same tonight without fail.

It's maddening to see these people lie and strut around like they are noble patriots. Cheney-Wolfowitz-Rumsfeld-Bush-Perle-Rice-Feith. War criminals who have put America in a gigantic world of hurt. I'd like to see this shown on regular network-type TV or be given as a DVD to high schools/colleges around the nation.

The Cheney-Rumsfeld tandem would look so good busting rocks for the rest of their lives.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:28 PM
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20. "There has never been a statue erected to a critic"


Oscar Wilde




Thomas Paine


Voltaire


Socrates


Jonathan Swift

...just off the top of my head.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:07 PM
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25. The truth hurts n/t
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