11 year old girl tasered, charged with assault on a police officer

[walldude]

Ok. Is it just me or are 21st century cops the biggest wussies on the planet? Here's an 11 year old girl who got tasered:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4327893/ (click the link in the video window when you get there)

and 5 year old that got handcuffed...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7609741

C'mon, is there any circumstance that requires tasering an unarmed 11 year old, or cuffing a unarmed 5 year old? How do these cops show their faces in public again? Wouldn't you be just a little embarrassed if you tasered or handcuffed a little kid?

[ColbertWatcher]

1. I would be embarrassed if an 11 year old...

...punched me in the face.

[roguevalley]

18. I remember three women holding a door shut on a third grade boy

who was in a small office. He trashed every square inch and then turned on them. It took three grown women to hold the door shut until they had someone come and get him. Then there was the time a first grader trashed his entire classroom when the class was out and tore everything into microbits. It was astonishing. My old partner who still teaches has two fifth grade boys who are on agreements that involve police intervention. They are so dangerous that she has the cops on speed dial. Then there was the dangerous kid that had pulled two first graders pants to the ground and was expelled. The dipshit admininstrator invited him to the end of the year picnic and the little victims were terrified he was there. He now is in prison. Assuming that a kid can't kick your ass is a fallacy. Many of them can and do.

I got a kid in my last year that had been taken out of his last school in handcuffs. I still had to teach him all year long.

The kids who are dangerous, the defiantly noncompliant, the deranged and disorderly, they aren't taken away to special arrangements. They keep them in the classroom and make everyone live in fear. They eat up 75% of your time and I remember as I write this one boy -fifth grade- that I never turned my back on. He was that dangerous. I remember a kid telling me not to finish my coke because he had spit in it when I went to the door.

Until you have been there and had your ass kicked by a 'little kid' or seen the hell they can dish out to other kids or property, you can't know. And parents? They don't care, don't believe, are worn out or defiant about their kids. Enjoy this system. Those kids are probably going to be living next door to you someday and I would recommend cops on speed dial.

[Echo In Light]

2. Authoritarian blowhards don't discriminate: they seek opportunities

[SeattleGirl]

3. Guess I'd better batten down the hatches, and stock up on guns then.

There's a high school and a grade school within a mile or two from my house. :scared:

[NightWatcher]

4. if you cant take an 11 year old girl, you have no business being a cop

that is shameful, what happens when a "real" criminal tries something.
Oh, and per the website quiz, I could take 30 5 year olds in a fight, so I'm sure I could take an 11 year old.

[walldude]

6. Yeah I play-wrestle with my 3 kids all the time..

and the oldest is 13, and I've been "accidentally" hit many times. Never hurt enough to want to taser him..

[Speck Tater]

7. Not a cop. A female school official who was apparently out-weighed by this out-of-control violent

"child".

[walldude]

12. Wrong, watch and listen to the clip again

it was a female cop, she got punched and then tasered the kid.. Nice try though..

[bellasgrams]

26. I read about it this morning, don't remember if she was cop or

security but she was called to help. The 11 year old was about 165-170lbs, the female officer was punched in the face, Suffered a bruised sinus cavity, and bloody nose she was taken to the hospital. The kid is lucky she was just tased. She could have been beaten or hit over the head by someone for attacking school staff and then the officer. Kids like this usually end up in prison eventually. Parents need punished also. The family should be investigated by child services to see what the problem is. This kind of child can do terrible harm to innocent children who are there to get an education, and teachers don't get combat pay.

[roguevalley]

20. you can baton a grown person, you can kick them in the balls.

most adults won't punch a kid in the face. Disturbances of this kind are the worst thing to get a call on.

[Speck Tater]

5. 5 foot 5 inchs, 160 pounds and acting violently.

She's bigger than me. If the situation is as they described it, I would have tazed her too.

Sorry, but every person tazed isn't automatically an innocent victim.

[NightWatcher]

8. if you cant defend yourself against (or subdue) a 5'5'' 160 lb 11 year old, you should not be a cop

[Speck Tater]

10. So "Innocent until proven guilty" does not apply to any government official.

You weren't there. You don't have a clue what the situation was like. There's a very real possibility that tazing was, in this instance, justified.

But, oh no, we must vent our liberal outrage at the pigs and the police state. What a crock of crap. How can you people set yourselves up as judge, jury and executioner without knowing ANYTHING WHATSOEVER about the situation. What complete hypocrisy.

[walldude]

15. What's a crock of shit is

defending an assault on a "violently crazed 11 year old". Don't spend much time with kids do you...

[Speck Tater]

24. "What a crock" right back at ya.

Never been seriously threatened by a 160 pound "child" in a violent rage, have you? Believe me, there are times when such a "child" has to be restrained at any cost, regardless of their age. You're problem is you hear "11 year old girl" and you think "Shirley Temple" when maybe you should be thinking "Lizzy Borden on steroids".

You have a stereotypical picture of "11 year old girl" in your head that is nothing like the reality of this situation. Thus your cognitive dissonance, and your concomitant failure to understand the context.

I can't tell you how many parents I've dealt with who believe that their child, or ANY child of a certain age MUST of necessity, always be innocent of any wrongdoing whatsoever. That's just a crock. Need I remind you of the numerous sensational cases of children who have murdered playmates in cold blood? Unfortunately, some kids are just plain bad, and just plain difficult to control. This kids was no Shirley Temple, so get that Good Ship Lollipop image out of your head and tune into reality.

[Rosemary2205]

25. Seems like she subdued him just fine.

A 5'4" 115# woman has ever right to be a police officer and if a taser helps even the score between her and a big ass bully then more power to her.

[walldude]

9. Yeah great, except to be a cop you have to be a certain height

to make sure you don't get your ass kicked by the "bad guy". You want a cop protecting you who needs to use a taser to handle an 11 year old? Oh and lets leave out a 5 year old, thats fucking kindergarten to you, who gets handcuffed. I'm sure she was at least 3' 9". :eyes:

And you are wrong, every person under the age of 13 who is tased is an innocent victim.

[Speck Tater]

14. Five foot Five, 160 pounds. Not some delicate 3'9" little flower.

Punched a school official in the face. Spit on them. Knocked over desks. Apparently completely out of control, and behaving in a very violent and threatening manner.

But never mind FACTS, after all, we're liberals. We can pass judgment WITHOUT any facts, just based on some hot-button words like "child".

[walldude]

17. Hey Einstein, I said the 5 year old was 3' 9"

but don't let that get in the way of your pathetic "A fifth grader assaulted me" defense. I've been hit many times by kids mostly by accident but a couple times on purpose, and I never once felt the need to hurt said kid. If you feel it was brave and manly for the cops and their tasers to stand up to that 5th grader, then more power to you. I notice you have nothing to say about the horrible violent kindergardener.. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[roguevalley]

23. that's not true. you have no idea what a kid can do when they come

at you. most adults won't hit kids. automatically, this cop was at a disadvantage. what do they do? slap her across the room? you have no idea how strong an out of control kid is. I remember when my dipshit principal tried to subdue a six year old from my room. I was walking back to my room and 'charley' wasn't cooperating. They were both on the floor wrestling and charley was winning. He was beating a six foot man. I asked him, "charley, time to go." he stopped and got up and went with me. I don't want anyone to misunderstand. He would have given me the finger too but he liked me and i wasn't making him do something he didn't want to do. Six years old. Until you have been there and seen some of the shit forced on schools regarding out of control kids that aren't getting help elsewhere, you are blowing smoke.

[bellasgrams]

27. Spend a few days in an intercity school. There's some pretty

violent kids in those schools. If they were brought up to respect others at home maybe they would act better at school. There are some that are mentally challenged also that can be a danger to all.

[file83]

19. What the hell are they feeding these kids? 5'5" 160lbs?!?! 11 yrs old?!?

I'd say tasering is least of that kid's worries. Try heart attack at 30.

[walldude]

21. There's something in the food...

my two oldest hit puberty before they left elementary school... I'm not kidding either, it's these hormones they are using to raise the food I swear...

[file83]

29. Oh, man, that's not good. Go organic!!!

[Lydia Leftcoast]

11. My goodness, how did cops ever get along without tasers?

:sarcasm:

[Echo In Light]

16. How did they get along sans those wonderful "post 9/11 mentality" gizmos?

[EVDebs]

13. Our city has had 4 officer-involved shootings with mental health crisis

"This is the fourth officer-related shooting of a person in the midst of a mental health crisis in a one-year period."

Another death
Community deserves answers to fourth officer-related shooting
Santa Rosa (CA) Press Democrat March 18,2008

http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/article/20080319/WIRE/803190333

Cops ain't mental health pros and the prisons are becoming holding tanks instead of treatment centers that can't find the funding they require. Free market capitalism = disaster capitalism in these cases. To hell with the 'commons' they seem to be telling us.

[seabeyond]

22. i am never on cops side, hate taser, think abusive. this 11 yr old gave cop a bloody nose

and that is a HUGE no no. the halloween girl and many others i have defended about the tasering especially when they handcuff and then taser. but this one.... if it were my kid, i would say, dumb shit, why did you hit the cop. opened self up to whatever. otherwise would defend

[selador]

28. wussies and reality. it appears justified

"C'mon, is there any circumstance that requires tasering an unarmed 11 year old,"

the legal standard is not "required". it's reasonable. based on most use of force continuums and the fact pattern in this case, tasering was justified. tasers fall at the "hard empty hand" level of force in most agencies and are justified (in most agencies) based on the level of resistance and assaultive behavior of the girl.

" or cuffing a unarmed 5 year old?"

yes. there are circ's where that is justified. very very rare. but then you don't hear about the millions who aren't handcuffed. you hear about the one or two who do.

" How do these cops show their faces in public again? Wouldn't you be just a little embarrassed if you tasered or handcuffed a little kid? "

probably, but then i've never tased ANYBODY even during arrests for everything from murder on down the line. i have used my baton, my firearm, my fists, my elbows, my vehicle etc. in various force situations and in 20 yrs i 've never even had an excessive force complaint.

but i personally was not in this situations where this 11 yr old punched the female cop hard enough to cause sinus damage and a bloody nose

it's also in the fact pattern that AFTER she was punched, she STILL tried to restrain the girl w/o tasering and eventually had to resort to taser.

i also know that statistically speaking, tasering a suspect is generally much safer than using hard empty hand methods (others) that frequently result in sprained/broken joints, head injuries, etc. etc. been there on all of that.

i also know that based on what i read, the use of force fits within use of force guidelines for most agencies, and is consistent with federal civil rights guidelines