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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 03:50 PM Original message |
Gay Couple Loses Benefits With Move |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
1. There's your Defense of Marriage Act. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. that is wholly untrue |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Wikipedia is far from perfect |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 05:39 PM Response to Reply #10 |
29. that is conflating two different things |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 05:50 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. DOMA allows Idaho to disregard NJ partner status. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 06:35 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. No, it doesn't |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:40 AM Response to Reply #40 |
71. OK I think I'm getting it now. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #71 |
98. good analogy |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #30 |
46. Absolutely false. There is no law that requires a state to recognise another's civil unions |
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China_cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 05:29 AM Response to Reply #46 |
76. I would look to Loving vs. Virginia |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 07:32 AM Response to Reply #76 |
83. Marriage. Marriage. Not Civil unions. The law regards marriages across states - not |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 07:55 AM Response to Reply #83 |
88. Ditto |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 07:54 AM Response to Reply #76 |
87. Actually, |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:54 AM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Does the Constitutional analysis fall under |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Full faith and credit. |
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China_cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #87 |
92. What I'm talking about is marriage. |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #92 |
129. Only one state. |
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China_cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 05:50 PM Response to Reply #129 |
131. Separately is inherently unequal. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #92 |
130. China_cat I agree and support that stance when I find it among candidates. |
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King Coal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
93. See, they should take the cure. |
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Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 08:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
195. But Hillary of course didn't support it |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
2. K&R |
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susankh4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
3. Ya know.... |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Thank you for sharing this. |
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susankh4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 06:11 PM Response to Reply #6 |
33. Thank you. |
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unapatriciated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
192. here is another voice for full marriage equality. |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 05:20 PM Response to Reply #3 |
25. Sorry for your loss susankh4, and thanks for posting. n/t |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
31. I am so sorry for your loss. |
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Kajsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 06:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
34. Thank you, Susan. |
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selador (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
4. you are kidding me right? |
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Zuiderelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. Oh for god's sake. They thought it was a company benefit, and not geographical. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #14 |
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devilgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #14 |
28. Go easy, he hasn't left his basement in years, he didn't know! |
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unapatriciated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:56 PM Response to Reply #14 |
193. I agree - Who could do such a thing?... |
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chixydix (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
5. They moved to IDAHO and didn't expect any problems? ARRRGGHH |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. "But the sunsets are so FABULOUS!" n/t |
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chixydix (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Yeah...at the fabulous beach. |
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Growler (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
9. They moved to IDAHO?? |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. They were looking for some change, to help battle Ryan's depression |
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chixydix (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. No, we live every place, Jack. But when we do live in flyover country, we generally |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Wait a second! I've got some great friends in Natchez who are "provocative queens." |
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chixydix (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Please tell them not to out me! |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. "Provocative queen"? |
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chixydix (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 05:17 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. No offense intended...see my post # 17. |
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Zuiderelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Marriage and all its rights that you CANNOT draw up in a legal paper may not matter to you, |
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chixydix (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 06:26 PM Response to Reply #23 |
37. Well, I'm sorry but you are wrong. I am NOT defending the status quo, I'm saying |
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Zuiderelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 06:34 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. No, YOU are wrong. There are NOT ways around it. And what's your name stand for anyway? |
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chixydix (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Groan. The "name" doesn't mean anything...I was trying to think of one and heard |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Just a few . . . |
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Zuiderelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 08:10 PM Response to Reply #43 |
55. Non taxed health benefits. Non-taxed inheritances. Pension and Social Security benefits. |
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Laughing Mirror (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 07:22 AM Response to Reply #43 |
82. Suppose your husband was a foreigner |
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susankh4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 06:35 PM Response to Reply #23 |
41. That is true! |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 07:52 PM Response to Reply #41 |
51. Sorry, but any lawyer with any experience |
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susankh4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 04:31 AM Response to Reply #51 |
72. Isn't that what I said? |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 07:12 AM Response to Reply #72 |
81. On my first read, I thought you were saying the opposite, |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 07:20 PM Response to Reply #21 |
45. Then you ought to know you can't establish all the rights and respnsibilities of marriage by |
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Zuiderelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Is it "antogonizing peeps" simply to want health coverage? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Deleted message |
Zuiderelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 05:17 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Well. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Deleted message |
Zuiderelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Oh man, I hadn't even noticed the user name. |
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devilgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 05:23 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. How many alerts need to be sent? |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 07:07 PM Response to Reply #26 |
134. He used to post here as "trannyporn". |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 09:13 PM Response to Reply #13 |
64. Are you still here? |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 05:19 AM Response to Reply #64 |
73. / |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
104. Expecting benefits to continue is being a "provocative queen?" |
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susankh4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 06:09 PM Response to Reply #12 |
32. Yes. And, there are actually companies ... even in OH.... |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 06:24 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. I would have done the research, as well. |
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susankh4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 06:31 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. I don't fault them at all. |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 06:41 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. I know you didn't fault them. |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 07:58 PM Response to Reply #32 |
53. Actually, |
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susankh4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 07:45 AM Response to Reply #53 |
85. What a terrible shame. |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:01 PM Response to Reply #32 |
138. I work for a corporation that offers |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 09:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
67. how'd that work out for ryan...? is he still depressed? |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. I have no clue, the article doesn't address your snark. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #68 |
96. "You pretty much are saying they made a bad choice, therefore should suffer the consequences." |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Not how I view life. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. Deleted message |
JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. That's an extreme example. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. "Does this apply to everyone? Of course not."...oh- so it only applies to you, then? |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. That's not how I roll, homie. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #102 |
112. well, then you're probably better off in your fairy tale-world... |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:31 PM Response to Reply #112 |
141. Yup, that's me. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 08:49 AM Response to Reply #141 |
150. apparently. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #96 |
106. While I think it's life that some bad choices will have bad consequences - such |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #106 |
115. and when people have nobody but themselves to blame for their poor choices... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. I think when people suffer the consequences of injustice or bigotry, it's |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #116 |
119. take the op, for instance...it wouldn't have taken much effort to research something so major... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #119 |
125. With regard to the OP specifically: |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 08:51 AM Response to Reply #125 |
153. the benefits are granted by the employer, based on the laws of the state. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 09:06 AM Response to Reply #153 |
158. Are they based on the laws of the state? There are employers in states without |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #116 |
142. I really enjoy reading your posts. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #142 |
173. That's terribly nice of you. |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #173 |
178. .... |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 06:14 AM Response to Reply #12 |
78. LGBT Americans can live pretty much easily anywhere in New England. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
103. A nice way for the gub'mint to support a survivor of 9/11. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 05:26 AM Response to Reply #9 |
75. this struck me as EXTREMELY ODD |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #75 |
109. Why would they expect their employer to drop their benefits? |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #109 |
132. oh, I would definitely check it out |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
36. It may have to do with the insurance company, too |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 07:51 PM Response to Reply #36 |
50. Many people don't realize |
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littlebit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 06:24 AM Response to Reply #50 |
80. Ain't that the truth |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
44. This is why we need equal rights for all. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
47. They moved to Idaho and it didn't "dawn on them?" |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 07:48 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. It was an employer benefit, not a state benefit. They assumed the exact same employer would |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Idaho has a well earned reputation |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 09:12 PM Response to Reply #52 |
62. Again, it's not a state benefit. It's the exact same company - it's not unreasonable to |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. I see your point, too |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 08:04 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Sorry, Mondo, But I DO Think It's Unreasonable...And I'm Surprised You Don't. |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 08:24 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. None of us can know, for certain, the situation they were in when making this decision. |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 08:37 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Well, They DID Say... |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. We both know that we're pretty much on the same page when |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 09:10 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Oh, I Have Sympathy For Them, Don't Get Me Wrong. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 06:23 AM Response to Reply #56 |
79. Next time, perhaps someone will suggest "Burlington, VT". |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 09:10 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Permit me to say more, please: |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 09:12 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Surely they knew their NJ domestic partnership would not be recognized in other states |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Certainly - but the benefit was from the employer, not the state. |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 05:20 AM Response to Reply #65 |
74. My employer does. Regardless of the state in which you live. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:16 PM Response to Reply #74 |
94. My employer does as well |
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Zuiderelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. My employer does as well. |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:08 AM Response to Reply #54 |
89. It may not even be a matter of the company - |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 09:11 PM Response to Reply #49 |
61. They could have asked their HR department |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. And where in this article does it state they did or didn't approach HR? |
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UALRBSofL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 07:37 AM Response to Reply #61 |
84. Some companies cover domestic partners whether you live |
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susankh4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 07:50 AM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Nice to know about Home Depot! |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
70. "It didn't even dawn on us that this would have an impact," |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 06:08 AM Response to Original message |
77. I'm sorry, but *HOW STUPID CAN YOU GET*??? |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #77 |
105. Why would they expect their company to drop their benefits? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. Precisely. Why should anyone expect their employer to rescind benefits just |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. I'm really offended at the many suggestions here that gay people should just expect this! |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. I don't expect you to put up with it, but Jeezus on a hobby horse, .... |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. I'm supposed to live in a blue state because I'm gay?????? |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. Here ya' go: |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #111 |
114. Yes. Frankly, YES. You should live where you won't be hated for what you are. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #114 |
117. Well some of us would just have to kill ourselves then. There was a time not |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #117 |
121. Yes, that explains the giant rainbow flag... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 05:17 PM Response to Reply #121 |
126. Well, I guess all the GLBT people from the world over could have moved to the Castro. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #126 |
135. Obviously, though, change has been coming faster in some places than in others. (NT) |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #135 |
136. Who else is to blame for their own treatment for not living in the Castro? Matthew Shepherd? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 06:06 AM Response to Reply #136 |
145. Maybe if all the Blue people left the Red areas, life would be better for everyone. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 08:19 AM Response to Reply #145 |
149. I've never been a fan of segregaton, or of blaming people for being the victims of others' bigotry |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 08:57 AM Response to Reply #149 |
154. Unfortunately, hard evidence now suggests that people really *DON'T* change. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 09:03 AM Response to Reply #154 |
157. Given that 10 years ago there was not a state in the US with civil unions or same sex marriage, |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 09:11 AM Response to Reply #157 |
159. The states that have CUs or marriages are exactly the places you'd expect to have them. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 09:13 AM Response to Reply #159 |
160. Again, they DIDN'T have them. Would the GLBT people have been better off |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #114 |
118. You know, neanderthals who actually hate people for being gay are actually somewhat rare. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #118 |
122. As you wish. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 05:20 PM Response to Reply #122 |
128. But the loss of benefits isn't because of Idaho law. |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #122 |
143. fwiw |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 06:03 AM Response to Reply #143 |
144. Tough. If you're an adult and you *CHOSE* to step into an awful situation... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 07:56 AM Response to Reply #144 |
148. But the couple in the OP didn't CHOOSE to step into this situation - they didn't know |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 08:51 AM Response to Reply #148 |
152. Of course they chose to step into this situation: they chose to move to a state that... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 09:00 AM Response to Reply #152 |
156. The state didn't determine the benefits. The employer elected to have different benefits |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 09:18 AM Response to Reply #156 |
161. The State of Idaho isn't passive on this issue. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 09:20 AM Response to Reply #161 |
162. Idaho employers DO provide same sex partner benefits. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 09:25 AM Response to Reply #162 |
163. But the state, as a whole, passed the constitutional change. DID THIS NOT SEND A CLUE TO THE DIMWITS |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 09:35 AM Response to Reply #163 |
164. Since employers in that state DO provide same sex partner benefits, and since the employer |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:09 AM Response to Reply #144 |
165. So black people who "choose to live" in the United States were at fault |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #165 |
172. I was also thinking, the Lovings chose to live in Virginia where their marriage |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #172 |
179. That's an excellent example. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #179 |
180. The idea that every minority group should just gather together in the safest place and |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 08:58 PM Response to Reply #180 |
191. Fun fact, in case you missed it: |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:07 PM Response to Reply #107 |
140. Exactly. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 06:07 AM Response to Reply #140 |
146. Please note that your employer can change the terms of the deal at any time. |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 07:43 AM Response to Reply #146 |
147. Though most wouldn't think that. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 08:49 AM Response to Reply #147 |
151. But that's not the way that most "modern" American companies work. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
120. Hence the problem with candidates saying "it should be up to the States" |
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kwenu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #120 |
124. Isn't that what the Clintons said?? |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 07:04 PM Response to Reply #124 |
133. Christ, Is EVERYTHING the Clinton's Fault? You Forgot to Mention the Blow Job. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 08:58 AM Response to Reply #133 |
155. DADT and DOMA definitely *ARE* the Clinton's fault. (NT) |
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kwenu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:31 AM Response to Reply #133 |
168. DoMA is law thanks to the Clintons. It's going to be here after the elections are over. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #168 |
171. Maybe we gay people can all just pray to be converted to heterosexuality |
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kwenu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #171 |
175. No. I think I'll just let you regain some composure. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #175 |
176. Which contradictions would those be? |
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kwenu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #176 |
181. Here goes. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 06:27 PM Response to Reply #181 |
183. Oh let's see, point by point: |
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kwenu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 06:54 PM Response to Reply #183 |
184. I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 07:03 PM Response to Reply #184 |
185. If you don't understand it's because you don't want to. |
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kwenu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 07:58 PM Response to Reply #185 |
187. Joe. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 08:03 PM Response to Reply #187 |
188. I never called it a victory. Try reading what I wrote instead of making thing up. |
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kwenu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 08:27 PM Response to Reply #188 |
189. Joe. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 08:39 PM Response to Reply #189 |
190. When you care as much about real GLBT lives as making political scratch, when |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 08:43 PM Response to Reply #120 |
194. I totally agree with you: |
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kwenu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
123. Not the most insightful couple but they can thank the Clintons approval of DoMA for sure. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #123 |
127. Why? DOMA has nothing whatsoever to do with this. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 07:37 PM Response to Reply #127 |
137. You said it. |
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kwenu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:28 AM Response to Reply #137 |
167. Said what? |
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kwenu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #127 |
166. There may be ignorance but it's not mine. The legal marriage rights of every |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #166 |
170. The couple in question is not married. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
139. Maybe naive of them not to check that their move wouldn't afford |
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kwenu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #139 |
169. I have a slight disagreement. Even if they were married it would be up to the individual state. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #169 |
182. That's just what I'm talking about |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 07:05 PM Response to Reply #169 |
186. But they weren't married in ANY state so DOMA is not applicable. Furthermore, they |
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noonwitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
174. I can't believe they didn't know |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #174 |
177. The benefit wasn't a state mandated benefit. Many states - even Idaho - have employers |
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