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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:13 PM Original message |
Antioxidants Don't Extend Life-found a higher risk of death for people taking vitamins |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
1. I don't care what they say, I'm still going to take lots of C and B.. |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. You probably have an actual need for them. Many people don't, really, |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Everyone needs Vitamin C at about 10 times the RDA.. |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:36 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Everyone needs 10X the RDA? Something don't add up thar... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:39 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Some of those RDA's are rather off. |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:54 PM Original message |
In the 60s, Vit E was thought to be a ...uh, "male enhancement" substance. |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
41. Oysters are good for the prostate, they're high in zinc. |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:20 PM Original message |
Plus they're a lot easier to chew than chain link fences! |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
60. Speak for yourself, oysters make me gag |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:35 PM Response to Reply #17 |
52. Extra vitamin C does hurt. |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:02 PM Response to Reply #52 |
66. That's only an issue if you're taking huge doses |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:49 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. What kind of moran would swallow 20 500 mg. doses a day? |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 09:27 AM Response to Reply #69 |
95. Me. But I would take 20 in 1gm doses. Try it next time a cold is coming on |
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Chemical Bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 10:17 AM Response to Reply #69 |
103. A Nobel Prize winner. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 10:22 AM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Two-time Nobel laureate, actually. Thanks for link! |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 11:05 AM Response to Reply #103 |
112. His claims were debunked years ago. |
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Chemical Bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 11:37 AM Response to Reply #112 |
113. I hope you are as active and vital at 93. n/t |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #113 |
118. When he was 93 he was dead. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 12:04 PM Response to Reply #112 |
116. quackwatch? They should be sued along with many others |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 05:07 PM Response to Reply #66 |
119. Actually it is 1000mg or 1 gram daily. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 09:21 AM Response to Reply #52 |
94. No it doesn't. It does kill cancer cells, though, Where did you read that? |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:40 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Why would a rabbit at perhaps 10 pounds body weight produce |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:51 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. Gosh, I don't know...I'm a man not a rabbit. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:53 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Scurvy is the disease of vitamin C depletion. |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:56 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. If it's depleted, doesn't that say, -precisely- something about the need for it? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:56 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. No. |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:58 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. No, it's like saying your engine -should have had- more oil. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:59 PM Original message |
Yeah, but how much more. |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
35. Well, how silly of me. Of course you are right. From now on, I will add oil |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:02 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Oh, right. |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:19 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. It's almost as bad as the scurvy epidemic, isn't it? |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:02 PM Response to Reply #30 |
65. Oh yes..... excellent point!!! I like the one that says, "Performing |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:04 PM Response to Reply #27 |
37. Dr. Sydney Bush (no relation) has a different view, literally. |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:59 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. Many many conditions go on for years, subclinical but there |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:41 PM Response to Reply #33 |
57. Well, that's a fascinating little vignette by Dr. Bush |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:43 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Point being that glaucoma, cataracts, retinal bleeding can all be |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 09:46 AM Response to Reply #26 |
99. Two-time Nobel winner Linus Pauling wasn't "nutty" |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
44. i found that taking Ester-C |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. If nature doesn't like to waste things... and I believe he |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
2. I quit taking vitamin pills 20 years ago and I'm healthier than I was then. |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
4. Hardly surprising |
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bicentennial_baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. Um, what's up Mr Canada? |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Nutrients |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:58 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. ... |
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BuddhaGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 11:38 PM Response to Reply #22 |
72. gee, and that's why so many M.D.'s have started |
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Boojatta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 06:00 PM Response to Reply #22 |
120. The OP mentions only anti-oxidants, but you are making a claim |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
25. Oh yeah. |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:11 PM Response to Reply #25 |
40. I believe |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:17 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. funny, isn't it, |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:20 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. The "drug" in question |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:31 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Unwise at best, and the winner is? |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:35 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. But we weren't talking diabetes |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:39 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Oh, my bad.... |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:47 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. But that's just one study and it |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:51 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Intravenous lipoic acid alone saved two couples from total liver |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:00 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. I'm sorry but that's not an academic press |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:08 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. No, I didn't say my husband had anything.... wrong poster sorry.... |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 05:27 AM Response to Reply #67 |
83. Sorry I got confused |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:52 PM Response to Reply #55 |
70. I have a abetter idea: |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 06:27 AM Response to Reply #70 |
87. You couldn't get enough spinach in your arse to equal the amounts of |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 07:40 AM Response to Reply #48 |
89. Interferon |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:19 PM Response to Reply #4 |
45. Actually I need a drug to enhance smallness..... n/t |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
5. "This study does not advance our understanding, and could easily lead |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
6. "Study based on flawed methodology" |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 10:28 AM Response to Reply #6 |
108. Like the other ones similar to this have been. |
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Lurking Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
7. FYI |
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jebediah (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
8. here's another counter view... |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 08:29 AM Response to Reply #8 |
90. Sure are lots of ads for supplements at that site. |
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renate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 11:43 AM Response to Reply #8 |
114. welcome to DU! |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
9. Resveratrol from red wine... I'll take it anytime...... |
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aint_no_life_nowhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 01:21 AM Response to Reply #9 |
74. Resveratrol is one of the best anti-oxidants you can take |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
12. Meta analyses of multiple studies are prone to problems... |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Bottled water, filtered water, and even the effects of straight |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:42 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. yes..that's right ... eom |
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Catchawave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
16. Bet I can trace this "study" back to |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:41 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. The masters of skewed results and medicines for diseases that |
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bluetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 03:28 AM Response to Reply #20 |
81. Are you one of the smoking nazis or do you just use the same avatar? |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 06:19 AM Response to Reply #81 |
84. Smoking Nazi. n/t |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:59 PM Response to Reply #16 |
34. Pharma lobbyists put out a study saying their product decreases life span? |
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Catchawave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:14 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. Are these BIG Pharma products? |
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Rainscents (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:43 PM Response to Reply #16 |
59. I bet, you bet right!!! |
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Catchawave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:00 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. There ya go!!!! |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 09:44 AM Response to Reply #16 |
98. You are correct! |
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jeffrey_X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 10:06 AM Response to Reply #16 |
101. Good call. |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
19. A lot depends upon what kind of Vitamin E they are talking about |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:43 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Bravo.... Dr. Berkson's lipoic acid treatment lives on in your |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:45 PM Response to Original message |
24. AntiOxidant "Overdose" |
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Mr. Ected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
28. Scientists' Next Assignment: Debunk Global Warming Theories |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
38. Study Citing Antioxidant Vitamin Risks Based On Flawed Methodology, Experts Argue |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
39. A,and E you can over dose on as are stored in fat. |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:20 PM Response to Reply #39 |
49. A and E just ran a special on this exact topic!!! This is HUGH!!! n/t |
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Vincenzio (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
47. Doses of vitamins have nothing to do with their effectiveness... |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:35 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Welcome to DU Vincenzio, foodform vitamins produced by Intracell |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
54. Who What Where |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
56. But.. I need my Glucosamine, Vitamin C, E, B 12, B 6 and |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:14 PM Response to Reply #56 |
68. I just went out and added 4 quarts of oil to my car....... anything |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 03:12 AM Response to Reply #56 |
76. Are you a 77 year old waitress working 12-14 hrs a day? n/t |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 06:23 AM Response to Reply #76 |
86. Dumb old truck driver.. Hell I even take Tahitian Noni Juice too.. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
71. This is funny, Every 5 years another flawed study pops up |
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Rainscents (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 11:49 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Do you suppose, more and more people are turning to |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 03:16 AM Response to Reply #73 |
77. I made my husbands doctor mad at me,. but i don;t care.. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 10:33 AM Response to Reply #77 |
109. check out Gary Null |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 09:35 AM Response to Reply #73 |
96. Yes, a trend that grew legs in the 80's and keeps growing |
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Lurking Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 09:49 AM Response to Reply #96 |
100. Wasn't it even earlier than that? |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 10:39 AM Response to Reply #100 |
110. Yes. I meant the swift boating by Big Pharma |
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Lurking Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 10:47 AM Response to Reply #110 |
111. Ah! Gotcha! |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 03:06 AM Response to Original message |
75. I'm gonna give you life-extending advice for FREE.. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 03:19 AM Response to Original message |
78. Yeah, well, frequent sex and/or masturbation still reduces men's risk of prostate cancer. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 03:22 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. They need an excuse?? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 12:20 PM Response to Reply #80 |
117. No, but it's nice to know I was such a health nut as a youngster. nt |
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devilgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 03:19 AM Response to Original message |
79. That reminds me, I have to take my vitamins today! |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 04:31 AM Response to Original message |
82. Can I PLEASE start smoking again? |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 06:22 AM Response to Original message |
85. I met a sixty something lady in the P.O. who was diagnosed with |
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GreenZoneLT (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 06:38 AM Response to Original message |
88. Figures. Probably increased stomach cancer |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 08:41 AM Response to Reply #88 |
91. But whole grains, fresh fruits & vegetables actually require chewing! |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 09:03 AM Response to Original message |
92. Antioxidants |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 09:16 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. self-delete: moved |
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geomon666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #92 |
115. Thank you. |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 07:27 PM Response to Reply #92 |
121. If you can get them vine ripened you should be good to go. That |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
97. swift boating suppliments |
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afrosia (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
102. This ain't news. |
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riverdeep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
105. Something left out |
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riverdeep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 10:25 AM Response to Reply #105 |
106. afrosia |
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catgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
107. Don't believe everything you read! |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 07:32 PM Response to Original message |
122. Folic acid supplementation doesn't prevent spina bifida either. n/t |
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