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nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 06:04 PM
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Transgenic Rice for Cannibals
sounds tasty don't it? me i'd rather red beans... and i can't believe there aren't better ways of dealing w/ diarrhea.
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Carry On My Wayward Gene
Kansas could see first commercial crop of human-gene-containing rice
A California company is one step closer to growing rice that contains human genes on a commercial scale. The U.S. Department of Agriculture has given a preliminary OK to a plan to sow 450 Kansas acres with the stuff this spring, with 2,750 more acres to come.
~snip~
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complete article here
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 06:04 PM
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1. Soylent Green is people!!!
:puke: :puke: :puke:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 06:06 PM
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2. I Think This Is Cool. I Like Hearing About Innovative Progress And I Hope They're Successful!
Stuff like this is awesome in my opinion.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 06:13 PM
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5. Well, it is until you consider that the plant is patented...
and that if it replaces the natural crop, all our food will be patented by a company. You'll need to pay a licensing fee to grow food. Having a backyard garden would be like pirating a DVD or CD.

Still sound good?
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 06:18 PM
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7. Gee, Melodramatic Much? Yes, It Sounds Good. I Love Progress.
Now as far as your premise that all natural rice will cease to exist, and the only rice available to be grown will be that which contains anti-diarrheal properties; well excuse me for finding that premise to be ridiculously absurd.

I think this is a fascinating innovation and I give praise to those developing it. Good luck to them!
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 06:25 PM
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9. I didn't say it would, I said "if it does"...
just pointing out the downside of the whole thing. I'm certainly no luddite.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 06:29 PM
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11. Anyone Can Say 'If It Does' About Anything. What Matters Is If It Is Reasonable. It Wasn't.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 06:32 PM
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15. When the neighbor's crop gets cross-pollinated by genetic
pollution, he'll be forced to pay damages to the developer of this crap. The legal precedent has already been set.

Victims of biological pollution forced to pay damages to perpetrator................

I just LOVE my fellow humans.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 08:07 PM
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21. No, that precedent hasn't been set.
You're misrepresenting the case.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 08:40 PM
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24. Monsanto already sued a farmer because they contaminated
...his crops.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 08:43 PM
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25. No, they sued him for infringing on their patent.
The farmer made up the story about his crops being contaminated. From the judge:

"none of the suggested sources could reasonably explain the concentration or extent of Roundup Ready canola of a commercial quality ultimately present in Schmeiser's crop."
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 08:49 PM
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29. Life forms should not be patented. NT
NT
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #29
33. If the life form is there, be cause somebody created it...
I've got no problem with people licensing it.

Same goes with music. It's intellectual property.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:13 PM
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38. There is a difference...
Edited on Fri Mar-02-07 09:19 PM by Solon
Lifeforms can reproduce on their own, with no human interaction, but through animals like bird and bees, in addition to things as simple as wind. Look up Maize contamination in Mexico for examples of that.

The only stipulation I would put on patented lifeforms is IF contamination can be proven, the creator of these lifeforms should pay a penalty to those who are affected.

ON EDIT: You do realize that the only reason why lifeforms can be patented at all is because a 3 appelate judges failed biology, right? They couldn't tell the difference between GM bacteria and Tide(the detergent).
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:19 PM
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39. Yeah, and I can copy my mp3s, give them to my friends.
But that would also be copyright infringement.

"The only stipulation I would put on patented lifeforms is IF contamination can be proven, the creator of these lifeforms should pay a penalty to those who are affected."

Ah, so you want to have the cake and eat it too.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:25 PM
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40. Copying an MP3 requires an overt act by a human...
the same can't be said for SELF REPLICATING LIFEFORMS.

They found markers of artificial Genetic Modification in wild Maize strains in Mexico, mostly along roads and nearer to civilization. This indicates that some seeds and/or pollen was transferred from the United States to Mexico, either it fell off of trucks, delivering GM Maize to market, or it traveled through more natural means, wind, birds, and bees. Where do humans enter into this equation, and why should farmers in Mexico have to pay for these crops?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #40
41. And planting patented crops in your fields...
takes an overt act by a human.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:36 PM
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42. How do you KNOW that its patented in the first place?
As far as I'm aware of, these plants don't glow neon green at night, and many of them look no different than standard hybrids and wild varieties. The only way to tell is to get a genetic test done on a sample of your crop EVERY year, these tests can run into the thousands of dollars, an amount of money that many of these farmers can't afford.

There is also the concern of cross pollination, something that, to be frank, farmers have absolutely NO control over. How do you, legally, deal with situations like this?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:36 PM
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43. Delete
Edited on Fri Mar-02-07 09:39 PM by Bornaginhooligan
dupe
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:39 PM
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44. The farmer knows, because he signs a contract...
with the seed provider.

The seed provider knows, because they can DNA test to see if the farmer has infringed on their patent.

If it's a case of pollination contaminating the crops, then the farmer wouldn't be infringing on the patent.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:45 PM
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47. Notice, I've been limiting this to Mexican farmers, who can't sign a contract...
Because they aren't ALLOWED to grow GM crops by law. Also, as far as I'm aware of, Patent law covers "derivative works" unlike copyrights, so, in that case, according to patent law, yes farmers of pollination contaminated crops ARE infringing on those patents.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:46 PM
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48. Nonsense.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 10:06 PM
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51. What's nonsense about it?
Actually, I just looked at the patent law concerning plants, apparently, only if you asexually reproduce the plant, can infringement take place, as found on this site:

http://straylight.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode35/usc_sec_35_00000163----000-.html

This is interesting, so basically this says that IF I wanted to, I could grow Monsanto seeds under contract, then, after cross pollinating them with non-GM plants, cancel the contract, destroy the rest of the patented seeds, and grow the new hybrids, and its perfectly legal. Or, if I wanted to, I could let nature take its course, and simply collect seeds from whatever wild varieties exist in the are that cross-pollinated with the GM crop, or, buy from another farmer some seeds who isn't under contract by Monsanto.

I guess, in this case, the patent law doesn't mean much, I mean, after these inventions go "wild" so to speak, how will the law ever keep up. My only concern is this part of the law:

In the case of a plant patent, the grant shall include the right to exclude others from asexually reproducing the plant, and from using, offering for sale, or selling the plant so reproduced, or any of its parts, throughout the United States, or from importing the plant so reproduced, or any parts thereof, into the United States.

Of course, I don't know if they define the "parts" as genetic code or literal parts of the plants, seeds, stems, leaves, etc. If they DID define it as genetic code itself, then none of what I said above applies. Then again, I'm thinking they patent the WHOLE plant, rather than a few genetic modifications. If so, then, pretty soon I would say, Monsanto and other companies may actually stop either producing these plants, or, more likely, will no longer be able to legally enforce the patents, it would be a legal nightmare, to say the least.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 08:51 PM
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30. It should be MONSANTO'S responsibilty to keep their GM seeds away from ANYONE elses fields and crops
The farmer found the seeds ON HIS PROPERTY.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:04 PM
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32. He found them on his property...
because that's where he planted them.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:41 PM
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45. No. The seeds blew onto his property, they grew, he saved the seeds and then planted them
from the article I posted in my other post (the link is there):

<snip>
It seems that some Monsanto seed did drift over from a neighboring farm that had planted Roundup-ready canola, and the genetically altered seeds grew in Schmeiser's fields. Schmeiser, who saves seed from each harvest to plant the next crop, apparently saved some of the Monsanto seed. He seems to have figured that any plant that grew on his land belonged to him, as did its seed. There's no evidence he sprayed with Roundup to control weeds. So he didn't benefit from the genetically engineered trait that Monsanto has patented.

But he knew that some of his saved seed carried the Monsanto brand, because Monsanto inspectors -- who search for farmers growing its seeds without permission -- warned Schmeiser not to plant the saved seeds. He planted them anyway. Monsanto then sued him for patent infringement<snip>


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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:43 PM
Response to Reply #45
46. That was his claim.
But he couldn't prove it.

And there was evidence against it.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:51 PM
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49. What was the evidence? That's not how I read it. According to court transcripts
the Monsanto seeds grew on his land...that DID happen, according to the guy who read the court transcripts. IF the seeds grew on the farmer's land, he saved them and planted them, Monsanto is at fault for not keeping their garbage off of his land.

http://www.organicconsumers.org/ge/122602_genetically_engineered.cfm
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:56 PM
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50. An actual quote, from an actual judge...
"none of the suggested sources could reasonably explain the concentration or extent of Roundup Ready canola of a commercial quality ultimately present in Schmeiser's crop."

Meaning, the farmer got the seeds from an outside source, and planted them there on purpose. In order to take advantage of their quality. When caught, he invented the excuse that his fields were contaminated.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 08:48 PM
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27. Exactly right! Monsnato seeds blew over into the farmer's land , the farmer grew the seeds and was
SUED for growing seeds he saved from HIS CROPS, ON HIS LAND. Monsanto holds the patent for the seed and no matter where the seed blows...it's THEIRS? They don't think they have ANY responsibility to ensure their freakin' GM seeds don't screw up other farmer's seeds and crops. Here's the story:

<snip>
For thousands of years farmers have saved seeds for replanting. That used to be the only way to get the next crop. Now this ancient practice has come into conflict with modern seed sellers and their patents. Schmeiser grew patented seeds. But he did not steal them from the seed store. Whose fault is it that Monsanto's seeds grew on Schmeiser's farm?

I put the question to Monsanto this way: If the company doesn't want people growing its patented seeds without payment, isn't it the company's responsibility to keep its patented seeds off their property?

It took Harvey Glick, Monsanto's director of global product stewardship, about 45 minutes not to answer the question directly. But what I think he told me in the four pages of notes I took is this: If patented seeds blow over to your land, you'd better pay for them or else ask Monsanto to remove them. If not, the company will sue you.

I hope the Canadian Supreme Court takes the case and puts limits on this patent power-grab. Monsanto should be able to protect its patent against rival companies who would want to steal its technology. Simple laws protect it from farmers who would steal its seed from warehouses.

But seed that drifts through the air, grows into a plant and produces new seed belongs to the person who owns the harvest. We are all familiar with the concept of exempting a practice from a new law, also called grandfathering. Seed saving is so ancient that it is Adam-and-Eved into the fabric of civilization. Schmeiser's right should trump Monsanto's patent.

http://www.organicconsumers.org/ge/122602_genetically_engineered.cfm
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #27
34. Nope.
Not what happend.

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laundry_queen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 12:02 AM
Response to Reply #34
53. Well.
Since YOU say so. :eyes:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #21
64. No, I'm not. Rent a copy of The Future of Food.
Farmers are already being virtually bankrupted by genetic pollution.

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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #2
8. Yeah, I can hardly wait for the talking dog with a human head.
Talk about man's best friend!
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 12:08 AM
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54. omigod, it's horrifying frankenscience. just disgusting to meddle
with the food supply like this. monsatan should be burnt to the ground and its fields sowed with salt.
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HuskiesHowls Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 06:07 PM
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3. I was wondering......
How "Condi" became "transgenic".

Wishful thinking, I guess
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TerdlowSmedley Donating Member (463 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 06:10 PM
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4. I always suspected Condi was a dude.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 06:27 PM
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10. Well, I defintely won't be eating her now.
Not even if she really really needed to relax (which I think she does).
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nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 06:14 PM
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6. Union of ConcernedScientists Petition on Human GeneRice

magine food crops genetically engineered to produce drugs
and industrial chemicals.

Now imagine them mixed in with your food.

Today, the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) allows drug and biotechnology companies to engineer corn and other food crops into drug and chemical factories. The developers of these crops hope to reduce the cost of producing drugs and industrial chemicals, but there are hidden costs.

Pharmaceutical ("pharma") and industrial crops were never meant to be eaten by the general public. If they accidentally wind up in our food supply—a virtual certainty given current industry practices and lax government oversight— they could pose serious health and environmental risks for years to come.

UCS is partnering with scientists, doctors, farmers, and others to persuade the USDA to impose a ban on the outdoor production of crops that look like regular food crops, but which have been genetically engineered to manufacture pharmaceuticals, industrial chemicals, and other potentially dangerous substances. Such a ban is necessary to keep these unwanted items out of our food supply.

You can help with this effort by signing a petition to the USDA. Urge the USDA to act now to protect our food!







Find the Petition<;/b>here
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 08:03 PM
Response to Reply #6
20. Whoa, hold your horses, Tex.
That ban's covering food crops expressly producing industrial and pharmaceutical compounds. They make exceptions for specialty food crops meant to be used for human consumption.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 08:43 PM
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26. Signed.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 08:49 PM
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28. Done! n/t
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 06:29 PM
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12. As I posted on another thread about this human immune protein rice (Mmm, sounds so good)
:eyes:

You can have this human immune protein rice as a side dish with our big juicy cloned meat steak.:puke:

This stuff makes me sick.
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 06:30 PM
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13. Why?
What about it makes you sick?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 08:30 PM
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22. I REFUSE to eat or drink ANY GM food. I don't know what that shit is going to do to me in years to
come and neither do the freakin' scientists who are modifying our food. NO THANK YOU! If it's not naturally grown, I'm not eating it and neither is my family.

Just for starters:


Crisis Position
Safe Food News 2000

Richard Strohman, Ph.D.
Professor Emeritus, Department of Molecular and Cell Biology
University of California at Berkeley

When you insert a single gene into a plant or an animal, the technology will work. You will be able to move that gene from organism A to organism B. You will be able to know that the transfer was successful. You will be able to know that the gene is being expressed, and even that the function of the gene is being expressed. So you'll get the desired characteristic. But you will also get other effects that you couldn't have predicted from your original assumptions. You will have also produced changes in the cell or the organism as a whole that are unpredictable. And that's what the science is having to deal with.

"The reason why Monsanto can claim scientific soundness is that they are only answering the technical question, 'Can I move this gene and this characteristic from A to B?' They are not asking the questions that the current understanding of cell biology demands. You can ask the technical question and get the answer you are looking for. You can take a gene from A and put it into B. We know that. But that's the only question we can answer with certainty. We now realize that there are a whole host of other questions.

"Genes exist in networks, interactive networks which have a logic of their own. The technology point of view does not deal with these networks. It simply addresses genes in isolation. But genes do not exist in isolation. And the fact that the industry folks don't deal with these networks is what makes their science incomplete and dangerous. If you send these new genetic structures out into the world, into hundreds of thousands of acres, you're going into the world with a premature application of a scientific principle.

"We're in a crisis position where we know the weakness of the genetic concept, but we don't know how to incorporate it into a new, more complete understanding. Monsanto knows this. DuPont knows this. Novartis knows this. They all know what I know. But they don't want to look at it because it's too complicated and it's going to cost too much to figure out. The number of questions, the number of possibilities for what happens to a cell, to the whole organism when you insert a foreign gene, are almost incalculable. And the time it would take to assess the infinite possibilities that arise is beyond the capabilities of computers. But that's what you get when you're dealing with living systems."

http://www.mindfully.org/GE/Strohman-Safe-Food.htm

Declaration of Seed Sovereignty
Board of County Commissioners
Santa Fe County

Following an initiative last March by the Traditional Native American Farmers' Association and others, Santa Fe County, NM has passed a landmark "Declaration of Seed Sovereignty," addressing GMO contamination in context of the specific threats it poses to indigenous agricultures. More information is available at http://www.7genfund.org/aff-tra-nat-ame.html

Whereas, our ability to grow food is the culmination of countless generations of sowing and harvesting seeds and those seeds are the continuation of an unbroken line from our ancestors to us and to our children and grandchildren.

Whereas, our ancestors developed a relationship with plants that allowed their cultivation for food and medicine and this has been a central element of our culture and our survival for millennia in regions throughout the world.

Whereas, the concurrent development of cultures of Eurasia, Africa, and the Americas resulted in a plethora of food and crop types including grains such as maize and wheat; legumes such as beans and lentils; fruits such as squash and chile; vegetables such as spinach and those of the cabbage family; and roots such as potatoes and turnips.

Whereas these foods and crops, though developed independently of each other, came together in New Mexico with the meeting of Spanish, Mexican, and Native American cultures to create a unique and diverse indigenous agricultural system and land-based culture.

Whereas, just as our families are attached to our homes, our seeds learn to thrive in their place of cultivation by developing a relationship with the soil, water, agricultural practices, ceremonies, and prayers; thereby giving seeds a sacred place in our families and communities.

Whereas, the way in which seeds become attached to a place makes them native seeds, also known as landraces, also makes them an important element of the generational memory of our communities.

Whereas the continued nurturing of native seeds or landraces has provided the basis for the community coming together for communal work such as cleaning acequias and preparing fields as well as in ceremony, prayers, and blessings; thereby binding our communities, traditions, and cultures together.

Whereas the practices embodied in working the land and water and caring for seeds provides the basis for our respectful connection to the Earth and with each other.

Whereas, our practices in caring for native seeds (landraces) and growing crops provide for much of our traditional diet and results in our ability to feed ourselves with healthy food that is culturally and spiritually significant.

Whereas, clean air, soil, water and landscapes have been essential elements in the development and nurturing of seeds as well as the harvesting of wild plants; and that these elements of air, land, and water have been contaminated to certain degrees.

Whereas corporate seed industries have created a technology that takes the genetic material from a foreign species and inserts it into a landrace and is known as Genetically Engineered (GE) or transgenic crops.

Whereas seed corporations patent the seeds, genetics, and/or the processes used in the manipulation of landraces, and have gone so far as to patent other wild plants or the properties contained in the plants.

Whereas GE crops have escaped into the environment with maize in Oaxaca, Mexico and canola in Canada and crossed into native seeds and wild plants.

Whereas organic farmers have been sued by seed corporations when these patented genetic strains have been identified in the farmers' crops, even though the farmers were unable to see or stop pollen from genetically engineered crops from blowing over the landscape and into their fields, thus contaminating the farmers' crops.

Whereas the effect of this technology on the environment or human health when consumed is not fully understood.

Whereas the seed industry refuses to label GE seeds and food products containing GE ingredients.

Whereas the pervasiveness of GE crops in our area cannot then be fully known due to the lack of labeling and therefore carries the potential for genetic pollution on our landraces.

Whereas countries such as Japan, England, and countries in Africa have refused genetically modified foods and prohibit the introduction of GE crops on their lands because of their unknown health effects.

Whereas indigenous cultures around the world are the originators, developers, and owners of the original genetic material used in the genetic modification of crops by corporations today.

Whereas this declaration must be a living, adaptable document that can be amended as needed in response to rapidly changing GE technology that brings about other potential assaults to seeds and our culture.

Now therefore be it resolved, that the Board of County Commissioners of Santa Fe County supports the following:

The traditional farmers of Indo-Hispano and Native American ancestry of current-day northern New Mexico collectively and intentionally seek to continue the seed-saving traditions of our ancestors and maintain the landraces that are indigenous to the region of northern New Mexico.
Seek to engage youth in the continuation of the traditions of growing traditional foods, sharing scarce water resources, sharing seeds, and celebrating our harvests.
Reject the validity of corporations' ownership claims to crops and wild plants that belong to our cultural history and identity.
Object to the seed industry's refusal to label seeds or products containing GE technology and ingredients and demand all genetically modified seeds and foods containing GE ingredients in the State of New Mexico to be labeled as such.
Object to the cultivation of GE seeds in general but especially within range of our traditional agricultural systems that can lead to the contamination of our seeds, wild plants, traditional foods, and cultural property.
We will work with each other, local, tribal, and state governments to create zones that will be free of genetically modified organisms (GMOs) and GE technology.
We will also work together to address other environmental abuses that contaminate our air, soil and water quality that certainly affects our health, the health of our seeds and agriculture, and the health of future generations.
We will work together with the traditional farmers representing various acequia, Pueblo, tribal and surrounding communities to create, support, and collaborate toward projects and programs focused on revitalization of food traditions, agriculture, and seed saving and sharing.
Passed, approved and adopted this 30th day of January, 2007<snip>

Board of County Commissioners
Virginia Vigil, Chair
Valerie Espinoza, Santa Fe County Clerk
Stephen C. Ross, Santa Fe County Attorney

http://www.saynotogmos.org/ud2007/ufeb07b.php#llrice


Notes on the Teratogenicity of Glufosinate

Glufosinate is a herbicide that kills almost everything green; it is used extensively with genetically engineered crops including corn, canola, and soybeans. The herbicide resistant crops were approved by the Canadian and United States governments, even though there was clear evidence that the herbicide caused birth defects in experimental animals. The chemical acts by causing premature cell death in the immature brain by a process called apotosis. It also prevents development of glutamate channels in the brain, thus disrupting cellular communication. The birth defects observed in animals included brain defects leading to behavioral changes. Cleft lip and skeletal defects or kidney and urethra injury were observed in treated newborn. The herbicide also caused miscarriage and reduced conception in treated mothers. Exposure of male farm workers caused birth defects in their children.

Glufosinate use may be increased greatly by introduction of liberty link crops such as corn, canola, and soybeans along with commercial rice. The herbicide may also be used as a desiccant prior to grain harvest on crops that are not resistant to glufosinate (such applications are used to mature grains threatened by frost damage). Such applications are undesirable because the microbial activity is reduced at low temperature and more teratogen will enter the surface and groundwater.<snip>

References on LibertyLink Rice

Agrawal, G, Yamazaki, M, Kobayashi, M, Hirochika, R, Miyao, A and Hirochika, H "Screening of rice viviparous mutants generated by endogenous retrotransposon Tos17 insertion tagging of a zeaanthin epoxidase4 gene and a novel OsTATC gene" Zool Plant Physiology 125, 1248-57
Elmore, R, Roeth, F, Nelson, L, Shapiro, C, Klein, R, Knezevic, S and Martin, A "Glyphosare resistant soybean cultivars yields compared with sister lines" 2001 Agron J. 93, 408-12
Ge ,S, Sang, T, Lu, B, and Hong, D "Phylogeny of rice genomes with emphasis on origins of allotertraploid species" 1999 Proc. Natnl Acad Sci USA 96, 14400-5
Labra, M. Savini, C, Bracale, M, Pelucchi, N, Columbo, L, Bardini, M and Sala, F "Genomic changes in transgenic rice plants produed by infecting calli with Agrobacterium tumefacians "2001 Plant Cell Reports On line reports DOI 10.1007/s002990100329
References on Glufosinate and Birth Defects

EPA/OTS:Doc #88-920003678
FuJii, T. and Ohata, T. J.Toxicol.Sci. 1994, 19, 328.
Garcia, A., Benavides, F., Fletcher, T. and Orts, E. "Paternal exposure to pesticides and congenital malformations" Scand J Work Environ Health 24, 473-80, 1998)
Watanabe, T. and Iwase, T. Terat.Carcinog. Mutagen 1996, 287, 1996
Watanabe, T. Neurosci Lett. 1997, 222, 17
Watanabe, T. Teratology 1995, 4, 25B
Professor Joe Cummins, professor emeritus of genetics at the University of Western Ontario, is one of the foremost scientists active in the campaign to protect the safety of crops, foods, human health, and the environment. Prior to joining Western in 1972, he taught genetics at Rutgers University and the University of Washington (Seattle) and since 1968 has been involved in a range of environmental issues related to mercury, asbestos, PCBs, pesticides, toxic waste, and genetic engineering. Prof. Cummins is the author of more than 200 scientific and popular articles and has published recently in Nature Biotechnology, The Ecologist, and Biotechnology and Development Review. He lives in London, Ontario, Canada. His e-mail: jcummins@uwo.ca

http://www.saynotogmos.org/ud2007/ufeb07b.php#llrice

Extreme Genetic Engineering
ETC Group News Release
January 16, 2007

A new report by the ETC Group concludes that the social, environmental and bio-weapons threats of synthetic biology surpass the possible dangers and abuses of biotech. The full text of the 70-page report, Extreme Genetic Engineering: An Introduction to Synthetic Biology, is available for downloading free-of-charge on the ETC Group website: www.etcgroup.org
"Genetic engineering is passe," said Pat Mooney, Executive Director of ETC Group. "Today, scientists aren't just mapping genomes and manipulating genes, they're building life from scratch - and they're doing it in the absence of societal debate and regulatory oversight," said Mooney.

Synbio - dubbed "genetic engineering on steroids" - is inspired by the convergence of nano-scale biology, computing and engineering. Using a laptop computer, published gene sequence information and mail-order synthetic DNA, just about anyone has the potential to construct genes or entire genomes from scratch (including those of lethal pathogens). Scientists predict that within 2-5 years it will be possible to synthesise any virus; the first de novo bacterium will likely make its debut in 2007; in 5-10 years simple bacterial genomes will be synthesised routinely and it will become no big deal to cobble together a designer genome, insert it into an empty bacterial cell and - voila - give birth to a living, self-replicating organism. Other synthetic biologists hope to reconfigure the genetic pathways of existing organisms to perform new functions - such as manufacturing high-value drugs or chemicals.

A clutch of entrepreneurial scientists, including the gene maverick J. Craig Venter, is setting up synthetic biology companies backed by government funding and venture capital. They aim to commercialise new biological parts, devices and systems that don't exist in the natural world - some of which are designed for environmental release. Advocates insist that synthetic biology is the key to cheap biofuels, a cure for malaria, and climate change remediation - media-friendly goals that aim to mollify public concerns about a dangerous and controversial technology. Ultimately synthetic biology means cheaper and widely accessible tools to build bioweapons, virulent pathogens and artificial organisms that could pose grave threats to people and the planet. The danger is not just bio-terror, but "bio-error," warns ETC Group.

Despite calls for open source biology, corporate and academic scientists are winning exclusive monopoly patents on the products and processes of synthetic genetics. Like biotech, the power to make synthetic life could be concentrated in the hands of major multinational firms. As gene synthesis becomes cheaper and faster, it will become easier to synthesise a microbe than to find it in nature or retrieve it from a gene bank. Biological samples, sequenced and stored in digital form, will move instantaneously across the globe and be resurrected in corporate labs thousands of miles away - a practice that could erode future support for genetic conservation and create new challenges for international negotiations on biodiversity.<snip>

http://www.saynotogmos.org/ud2007/ujan07a.php

Food From Cloned Animals: These Products Should Remain in the Lab
By David Schubert
San Diego Union-Tribune
January 3, 2007

It is curious that the U.S. population seems willing to act as guinea pigs solely for the financial benefit of a few companies. This is most recently exemplified by the lack of outcry over the U.S. Food and Drug Administration's move toward allowing the sale of milk and meat from cloned animals without any required labeling. The FDA decision is another example of the continuing sway that the U.S. agricultural biotechnology and chemical companies have over federal agencies.

The conclusion that cloned animal products are safe to eat is based almost completely on data and arguments provided by the companies that will profit from their sale. Similar scenarios allowed the introduction of genetically modified, or GM, foods 10 years ago, and the massive and largely unregulated introduction of pesticides after World War II.

The development of an agricultural system based on chemical pesticides, fertilizers and herbicides led to an increase in farm productivity and cheaper food. But it also blanketed our planet with chemicals now known to cause cancer, birth defects and huge environmental problems as well as bringing about economic disparities between populations who do and do not have the technology. More important, however, is the realization that had we given a little more thought and study to agricultural methods at the time, we would have come up with the more sustainable farming methods that are now being widely adapted.

Innovation and technological advancement are major driving forces for modern society, but they must be done in the context of both need and potential risk. Many European countries have outlawed toxic agricultural chemicals that are still widely used in the United States, and require much more stringent testing for adverse health and environmental effects before the introduction of new ones.<snip>

http://www.saynotogmos.org/ud2007/ujan07.php
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:09 PM
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36. OK
:eyes:
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:11 PM
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37. Delete
Edited on Fri Mar-02-07 09:48 PM by kiahzero
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 06:31 PM
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14. oooh, can't wait until the pro-life crowd gets hold of this!
"You're eating unborn babies! (so what if it's a genetically engineered 'baby') ...


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Jonathan50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 06:42 PM
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16. Courtship Rite .. The case for the morality of cannibalism.
I read this book about twenty years ago and was very impressed with the thinking of the author, Donald Kingsbury. It is said of him that he writes "horror stories for smart people" and I agree with that description.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtship_Rite

Courtship Rite is a science fiction novel by Donald Kingsbury, originally serialized in Analog magazine in 1982. The book is set in the same universe as some of Kingsbury's other stories, such as "Shipwright" (1978) and the unpublished The Finger Pointing Solward.

In the UK, the novel was entitled Geta, and in France, Parade nuptiale.

Courtship Rite was the first winner of the Compton Crook Award for best first novel, and was nominated for the Hugo Award for Best Novel in 1983.

Geta

Similar in many ways to the classic Dune by Frank Herbert, Geta is a harsh planet settled by humanity centuries before the novel begins. The planet has one large satellite, "Scowlmoon"; the two are in a mutual tidal lock, so the moon is only visible from half the planet. The planet's day is about half as long as Earth's. Geta is much drier than Earth, with eleven separate bodies of water large enough to be called seas; most of the land area is desert. The Njarae Sea, the largest, is a narrow body extending around a quarter of the planet's circumference from northeast to southwest. Much of the story takes place in lands along the east coast of the Njarae. Terraforming was never, or very minimally, initiated on the planet's biosphere, leaving it very inhospitable to the descendants of the original settlers, who have become mythic, God-like creatures to its denizens.

Apparently the only Earth-life on Geta are humans, bees, and the "Eight Sacred Plants", including wheat, soybeans, barley, and potatoes. Native, "profane" life includes plants, a wide variety of sea-creatures and "insects", but no large land-animals. Each has a different biochemistry, so each is largely toxic to the other. Parts of certain profane species can be eaten if prepared correctly. As a result, food is a commodity that is very precious on Geta, and in most places the only source of meat is humans themselves. Cannibalism has insinuated itself into the very fabric of social and religious life. On the other hand, humans are not at risk of infection from native bacteria, and seem not to have brought any pathogens with them.

The planet seems to have been settled centuries before the time of the story by a small group, possibly not by choice. Apparently, they made little use of printed materials, which could be read in a world without advanced technology. Most knowledge of history and the larger universe was lost, the remainder preserved by oral tradition, in "Chants" and stories. The settlers' ship remains in orbit, but its nature has been forgotten; it is generally seen as "God". The Horse survives only as a piece in chess, named for a "mythical sidestepping insect".
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 07:15 PM
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17. Sweet. I'm a biotech major, so I find this stuff to be so cool.
Oh, and I agree with the first comment after the article:

'Frankenrice": NIMBY

So, let's see: the proteins produced by growing this rice could contribute to saving the lives of a couple of million sick Third-World children. On the other hand, some well-fed, healthy, educated Americans with PPO's have qualms that the pollen from this rice might contaminate the rice crops that aren't being grown in Kansas anyway.
What to do, what to do?
Oh, silly me: it's AGRIBIZ promoting a GENETICALLY ENGINEERED product, so let the kids die. Sorry, my knee-jerk circuits must have been malfunctioning...
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Conan_The_Barbarian Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 07:52 PM
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18. That's so refreshing to hear!
it gets tiring having to listen to the modern day ludites. Smart pick for a major, I'd go hard sciences but I just kind get legitimately interested in them. I love to love hard science but can't stand actually listen to my lectures and reading the textbook.
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nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 08:56 PM
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31. i don't know how opposing untested technology makes me a luddite?
and the track record for GMO crops so far is pretty abysmal. they consume far more pesticides than their conventional counterparts, not to mention organic, and so far have not managed to increase yield or reduce price or effort or increase profit for the farmer. w/o subsidies i doubt there'd be more than a 100 acres of GMO in the states. if all the money and effort that had gone into GM had gone into R&D for organics and bio-intensive and other sustainable methods and appropriate technology think of the *real* solutions we could've come up with for poor farmers in developing countries. i don't give a damn how great the technology is, you can't grow healthy food in unhealthy soil. that's the bottom line. and any agricultural process that does not recognize that as the primary andutmost importance is doomed to failure.

organic crops survive and thrive in drought conditions far better than conventional and GM so called drought resistant crops.

there are better and safer ways of growingplants for experimentation than out in an open field. it's not like a costs that much $$ to build a steel hangar and make it negative pressure and grow all the frankenplants you want, just don't allow the pollen to infest our fields.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:07 PM
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35. No.
Calling a tested crop "untested" does.

So does pseudoscience, and fear mongering.
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laundry_queen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 12:09 AM
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55. Pulling out the pseudoscience and fear mongering card so soon?
:rofl:
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 11:29 AM
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61. He's totally right to do so.
Most of the current problems with GMOs stem from the technology being abused by Monsanto and Co. because of a lack of good regulation, not with the technology itself. Problems like like interbreeding with non-engineered crops can be easily solved, the problem is that there is no economic incentive to because of lack of regulation. To many arguments against GMOs are based in the "natural" = good fallacy, which is totally based in ludditism and technophobia.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 07:54 PM
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19. Great comment.
Reminds me of the people who wanted to prevent gardasil for approval because they said it would incourage teenagers to have sex.
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nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 02:23 AM
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57. talk about a nonsequitur. WTF does HPV vaccine have to do w/GMO?
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 08:39 PM
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23. Pollen can travel over state lines. NT
NT
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 12:09 AM
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56. oh, come on, they don't give a rat's ass about sick children.
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Holly_Hobby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 10:42 PM
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52. Um...Mad Cow, anyone?
"Epidemiological studies conducted in the UK suggest it is spread through cattle feed prepared from carcasses of other ruminants - any of a group of even-toed, hoofed, cud-chewing mammals, including cattle, deer, and elk. No one knows for sure how the first cow (or cows) got BSE, but we know it spread throughout Britain and eventually the world through the cannibalistic practice of making cattle feed out of the bits of cattle (offal) that are not fed to humans. Like a "chain-letter", offal from a Mad Cow infected many more cattle and offal of those cattle infected many more."

http://www.healthcoalition.ca/bse.html

Is this rice for human consumption?


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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 03:13 AM
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58. market should decide
My only qualm with this is that people who, for whatever reason, don't want GM, should be afforded that choice, and after a certain threshold is reached, it usually is forced on them. How much of our corn is GM?

As for starving children, in most cases there's enough food, not enough political will.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 03:24 AM
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59. The market should decide..........LOL
the "market" do you really know anything about the "market" that you would let it decide?

This is not the grandfather's farm world we grew up with,
that market that you describe is from the 18th century
and it is not "free" and in no sense a "market' in any concept of the
definition of the original term.
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 03:38 AM
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60. I think I actually agree
with you. I'm not sure exactly what you're saying though. There ARE problems with the market model, and that's why we should approach this issue slow; the potential for risk of genetic pollution is high, and once it's done-we can't undo it. We can't clean it up like a river. It spreads ever outward through out ecosystem.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 11:30 AM
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62. That's why, as I stated above, the technology needs to be regulated
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 11:31 AM
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63. big whoop.
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