Do you believe Hersh when he says Shrub & Cheney really believe

[napi21]

Hesbola has cells in the US and intends to detonate a nuke here if they don't fight them in the ME?

I just listened to him on Bill Maher's Real Time show.

He actually said THEY BELIEVE THAT and that they're doing what they believe they have to do to protect the US!

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. Yeah, I believe it.

Fits right in with the rest of their reign of insanity.

[medeak]

2. yep....he's been getting a lot of air time this week

thank goodness!

[babylonsister]

3. There's no reason NOT to believe him. What he said is scarier than

if he had said they're putting on a show.

[Cobalt-60]

4. If they have cells here

And a nuke here, and they intend to detonate here,
why do we have to fight them there? Its already too late.
And how does rousting some Iraqi grandmother in the wee hours keep the nukes away?
The only nuke likely to detonate here is a false flag job, courtesy of you friendly neighborhood Republicon.

[Jack Sprat]

14. That's what I was thinking.

If the AntiChrist twins believe there are suitcase nukes or something here, then won't killing a half million of them over there finally piss them off and make them detonate their nukes over here.

[seriousstan]

5. Sorry, Hersh has jumped the shark.

My opinion.

[Cha]

8. This is coming from the

gang who can't do anything straight.

I think they make up shit as they go along.

[seriousstan]

11. Are you referring to "The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight"?

I read that book in 7th grade.

[PDJane]

6. I don't know if they believe it or not,

But I think that they believe that they can convince anyone of anything if they just repeat it often enough.

I also believe that the US is heading down the road to overt fascism; the covert stuff has been in place a long time.

[TomInTib]

7. I always believe Hersch.

Because he has never been wrong.

[walldude]

16. Yup.. the only things he writes that aren't instantly confirmed

are things that are supposed to be secret(like the special ops already in Iran). And even on those he is usually proven right eventually. I have no reason to doubt him. Especially when it comes to the paranoid rantings of the psycho twins...

[XOKCowboy]

18. Sy Hersh damn sure has a better record than Cheney

I don't know it they believe it but I believe they believe that if they say it enough times the MSM and the less informed will eventually believe it.

[walldude]

21. Ya gotta keep repeating it, to.. you know catapult the propaganda

Hope things are going well Bro, I'm back on the road on the 16th. I should have news for you by the end of the month if I can get you in anywhere...

[TomInTib]

23. He interviewed me a long time ago.

The guy has no bent, he is just straight-ahead and dogged.

I would bet my last dollar on anything he says.

[alfredo]

30. I've been hearing about Special Ops in Iran for some time now.

There were Special Ops in Afghanistan long before we invaded.

I would be surprised if we didn't.

[Leopolds Ghost]

41. Oh yeah, NEVER wrong, Except about the war with Iran he predicted not once, but thrice.

Date-certain pronouncements.

Made us all look silly, except for DUers with cable-TV fueled ADD and a "shiny object" mentality who have trained themselves to switch from issue to issue until the stopped clock of predictions of war with Iran finally hits the jackpot,

by which time it'll be obvious to everyone which direction we are headed in wrt Iran. It is NOT obvious now and Hersh's prognostications have made it less and less so.

[GreenTea]

9. Absolutely!

[patrice]

10. People believe whatever they need to believe.

It doesn't depend upon reality.

That's what belief is. It fills the needs you can't meet fill otherwise, with reality.

[seriousstan]

12. Cheers

:toast:

[patrice]

29. Back at you . . .

:toast:

:hi:

[bobbie]

13. I don't trust Hersh, he's been a CIA mouthpiece for years

Look at how he carried the CIA's water when he wrote the book smearing President Kennedy.

I think all anyone needs to know about Hersh is in this (long, two part) article:
http://www.ctka.net/pr997-jfk.html
http://www.ctka.net/pr1197-jfk.html

[babylonsister]

15. That site wouldn't be there if they weren't conspiracy theorists.

For all I know, they and you could be correct. And I didn't read Hersh's article from Kennedy's assination. But Hersh has retained his credibility throughout the years, and I trust him.

[bobbie]

36. Okey dokey

I guess you're saying "Hersh has retained his credibility with me."
'Cause I just got through saying he has no credibility with me.

[babylonsister]

46. No, I didn't say that. But he's on every

major news program every time he writes a story. Many think he's credible, as do I. I wouldn't presume to put words in your mouth.

[bobbie]

47. I understand you weren't putting words in my mouth, thanks babylonsister

I do wonder about your criteria for credibility however.
You seem to put a lot of trust in who the mainstream corporate media decides to sanction and promote.

Do you recall the "reporting" in the mainstream media when President Gore was merely trying to get the votes counted to prove his win? They trashed him at almost every opportunity and propped up the corporate poster boy Bush. That's just one example. They are generally not on the side of truth, justice, and the American people.

Therefore the very fact that Hersh is so welcome on the media circuit when he has a story to promote is a red flag, to me.

I'm not saying he has never exposed important stories. The torture in the Iraq prison was a huge and important story he broke, and I strongly believe he was horrified by it (I saw him give a speech about it at the ACLU convention and he almost broke into tears). I am saying that the reason he gets so many inside/CIA/military stories is because he has long served them. I wouldn't be surprised if his complicity with them was something that he is now trying to make up for. That last part is pure conjecture by me.

I'm also saying 'once a liar always a suspect.' His "Dark Side of Camelot" book was a huge steaming pile of lies. So there's some good reporting/writing mixed with bad/slanted. Which means he's not credible to me.

Again, when the corporate media chooses to embrace someone that does not equate to credibility IMO.

[Edweird]

17. It's clear that cheney&bush won't rest until they've destroyed the world,

so whether they are true believers or charlatans is (to me) inconsequential. What matters is what these freaks are gonna do next.

[CoffeeCat]

19. Things that make you go hmmmm....

Setting aside Hersh's credibility for a second----

I'm aghast that the moron twins believe this.

If they do believe this, then how do they know this. Is it the "chatter"? :eyes:

So, supposedly, the moron twins are CERTAIN that Hezbolla has numerous cells and nukes
that are inside this country? If this is true, that begs many questions.

Let's say that they gleaned this intelligence from surveillance or from concrete sources.
Wouldn't the moron twins have additional information, about this highly important
information. Like, where these cells are located?

I'd really like to better understand how Hersch knows this to be true.

If the moron twins actually have this information, doesn't America deserve to
know this? I mean, they raised the "terror level" before--based on unsubstantiated
rumors. If the moron twins are certain of this awful reality...shouldn't
they be telling us? Warning us? Reminding us to be vigilant?

I don't doubt that this is true. I respect Hersch. However, this country
should be in an uproar about what this comment means to the citizens of
the United States.

[babylonsister]

24. Great post. I trust Hersh; having said that, why are the 'twins' convinced?

Could it be that their actions for the past few years 'requires them' to be convinced, because otherwise, they're total failures?

[napi21]

33. Perhapse I mis-stated his comments. He said they believe Hesbolla

HAS cells inside the US, and that Iranwillmake a nuketo supply to those cells. He never said they already have nukes inside the US.

I still think Chrub and Chehey are nuts, but Ididn't want to mislead anyone about Hersch's comments.

[BlooInBloo]

37. Link to a clip where he says EXACTLY that please?

[Lasher]

40. He just now said it on Bill Maher's Real Time show

There's probably not a transcript yet. I heard him say it too. And get this: He said that Junior believes that 20 years down the road he will be favorably judged as a "visionary president". You know, that fits with statements he keeps making about history judging him. I'm sure part of that is attempting to fend off accountability but I believe he really does believe this.

I believe what Hersh says. I've asked Jay Rockefeller to invite him to testify before the Senate Intelligence committee.

[WiseButAngrySara]

20. No. I don't believe ANYTHING these thugs say. Do I believe

B* and Cheney are Christians? No. Believe in freedom? No. Believe in democracy? No. Have any of their actions supported their spoken words on these ideals? No. Why would I believe their nonsense about drumming up yet more hatred in the ME by fomenting fear of potential terrorism. They aren't concerned about protecting us. Look at how they protect the troops. They care about themselves and Hellibuton. That is all. The rest is show and pretense.

[BlooInBloo]

22. Believe Hersch vs believe your innuendo-FUD? Easy choice.

[babylonsister]

25. What does FUD mean? nt

[BlooInBloo]

27. Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt

I first became familiar with the term in regards to Big Blue trying to keep Microsoft down. Since then, Microsoft has truly perfected it.

[babylonsister]

28. I don't know about Microsoft, but FUD is a big factor, and why I believe Hersh.

The wool has been pulled over many eyes, but not mine. Not Hersh's either; are 'our leaders' //cough cough// that lame? They are looking 40 years into the future, not paying attention to now. That's their achilles heel. It's all our 'heel'. They could break that yet.

[Blue Belle]

26. "When the legend becomes fact... print the legend."

If that's the administrations story, and they stick to it - eventually they'd have to start really believing it I suppose... "See... you have to keep repeatin' the propaganda..."

I'm sure Hersh is right. These jackasses have to believe their bullshit that way it will become true.

[kenny blankenship]

31. People can convince themselves of anything if they WANT to believe badly enough

If they need to believe the enemy is 10 feet tall, that's how they actually see them.

[ToeBot]

32. I believe Hersh believes it, but I don't think Bush and Cheney really believe that. n/t

[WinkyDink]

34. No, I think they are nuts, but not enough to believe their own lies.

[librechik]

42. yeah, they believe just enough to convince others they are sincere

like the con men they are

[Raksha]

35. How is fighting them in the Middle East

gonna stop anyone from detonating a nuke in the USA, assuming they have the desire and the capability? What's to stop them from detonating a nuke right now?

[TheBaldyMan]

38. In his interview on DemocracyNow he claimed knowlege of Cheney, none of Bush

He claimed he has studied the VP and his way of working extensively, he stressed that Dubya wasn't his specialist field and refused point blank to offer any authoratative opinion.

[IChing]

39. knowlege is not a Bushenfurher thing

Way over his head and a part of his denial system.

Hersh knows who runs this government and it is Cheney,
he still has to be diplomatic to Americans so that they think their president is in charge
in order to get his point across.

[leftofthedial]

43. That's a tricky question

I believe him, but I disagree

I don't think they give two lukewarm shits about protecting the US.

[Hekate]

44. Seymour Hersh has been right 100% more than BushCheney. Scary, but right about them.

So yeah, I believe Sy Hersh when he talks about BushCheney's worldview and plans.

Hekate

[sarcasmo]

45. I believe the show 24 is Cheney's wet dream.

If you watch that show they truly believe this scenario.

[EFerrari]

48. No and no. n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

49. I believe that he believes that they believe in the shit they say, but I don't believe a damn thing

they say and neither should Sy. It's all LIES. I really don't understand why he can't see through them.

[blues90]

50. I take notice when Hersh speaks out .

Now as far as what bush or cheney believe that's a difficult one .

All I know is they have a goal and plans set but I doubt if these are to protect us here . I believe their belief is in gaining as much power and control as possible no matter what the end results are .