Joe Klein of Time blog - how to spot a "left wing extremist"

[The Count]

--believes that America isn’t really a democracy.
--believes that corporations are fundamentally evil.

--believes in a corporate conspiracy that controls the world.
--regularly uses harsh, vulgar, intolerant language to attack moderates or conservatives.
--tends to blame America for the failures of others—i.e. the failure of our NATO allies to fulfill their responsibilities in Afghanistan.
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http://time-blog.com/swampland/2007/03/since_you_asked.html?iid=chix-digg

[originalpckelly]

1. Fuck off Klein, you corporate sell out!

Uh oh, I must be a left wing extremist!

[ShortnFiery]

2. Oh yes, we all know that Corporations are inherently GOOD ....

:rofl:

By their very structure, Corporations are representative of GREED in it's purist form.

But what the hell, "Greed is Good." :eyes:

[BlooInBloo]

27. Idiotically false alternative.

[Doc_Technical]

3. Hey Joe

Consume fecal matter and cease pulmonary function

you corporate whore!

[Warren Stupidity]

4. Sign me up.

Joe Klein is an idiot.

We aren't really a democracy. Corporations aren't fundamentally evil, however the system of the world that has emerged from the end of the cold war sure is. There are lots of areas of society that should not be run for profit: for example health care, education, prisons, and these days the army. There most certainly is a global cabal of elites that are running the planet for their benefit. I can't call it a conspiracy as it isn't particularly secret. Fuck Joe Klein. Fuck the fascist cabal in the white house and their misguided enablers like Klein in the media. Hey Joe- despite the Nato band-aide Afghanistan is our show and we have royally fucked it up. By the way where is Osama?

Idiot.

[EFerrari]

13. Yeah, where IS Osama?

And, fuck off, Joe.

:rofl:

[mitchtv]

5. I resemble that remark!

I guess that's me

[SalmonChantedEvening]

6. How spot a 3rd rate journa.... err stenographer

Read Joe's blog

More Strawman pie please!!!

:rofl:

[BOSSHOG]

7. I'm a left wing extremist

because I believe the constitution trumps wacky religious books when it comes to the lives of Americans.

Wow, joe is one of those high maintenance "conservatives" who believes shit but doesn't know much (just read his nonsense.) And yes I use harsh and vulgar language when discussing conservatives or with conservatives because conservatives "changed the tone" in America when ray-gun did away with the fairness doctrine so I am (now) talking in a language that the ignorant constitution hating right wing extremist trash can understand.

And joe and his fellow flag wavers "believe" America can do no wrong. You are a fucking trash moron Joe. Warmest regards from a a 20+ year U. S. Military Vet with time in a combat zone. Fuck you joe. I'll be more then happy to hold the border open for ya if America ain't good enough for you; but being a coward you'll stay and continue to enjoy your constitutional liberties. Please right wing trash, keep exposing yourselves.

[Benhurst]

8. Joe Klein is a nasty little turd, such an asshole.

Oops!

Why shut my mouth! I must be a left wing extremist.

:rofl:

[otohara]

9. regularly uses harsh, vulgar, intolerant language to attack moderates or conservatives.

Oh puhlease....who started this type of behavior? That would be the evil corporate radio broadcasters like Limbaugh who got nasty and realized it was a money maker.

[JNelson6563]

12. Yeah, like "faggot"

Oy.

[ShortnFiery]

17. And let's not forget that svelte little potty-mouth Hell's Angel, one each, Ann Coulter?

One for one, their pundits are the poster children for both "vulgar and shrill" (Hannity, Beck, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Weiner, Malkin, Boortz, etc., etc.)

However, with large Corporations enjoying a stranglehold on our Main Stream Media Outlets, any mention of Corporate Greed is to be strongly discouraged. :eyes:

[Uncle Joe]

26. Did you notice his P.S. at the bottom

"P.S. It would be wildly stupid for me to get into a pissing match by naming names. I won't go there...And bear in mind, the characteristics above should be regarded as tendencies, not cast-in-stone beliefs."

Now I ask you is that vulgar?

[ulysses]

10. let's see...

--believes the United States is a fundamentally negative force in the world.

Not fundamentally, no, but we're certainly making our contributions these days.

--believes that American imperialism is the primary cause of Islamic radicalism.

Not the primary cause, but it's painfully stupid to deny that it contributes.

--believes that the decision to go to war in Iraq was not an individual case of monumental stupidity, but a consequence of America’s fundamental imperialistic nature.

No - it was a monumentally stupid consequence of our dependence on foreign oil. And this administration's willingness to let Halliburton fuck the rest of us without even a reacharound.

--tends to blame America for the failures of others—i.e. the failure of our NATO allies to fulfill their responsibilities in Afghanistan.

Huh?

--doesn’t believe that capitalism, carefully regulated and progressively taxed, is the best liberal idea in human history.

I don't have huge problems with well-regulated and fully safety-netted capitalism, but the "best liberal idea in human history"? Whatcha smoking, Joe?

--believes American society is fundamentally unfair (as opposed to having unfair aspects that need improvement).

How small would you like to paint those "aspects", Joe?

--believes that eternal problems like crime and poverty are the primarily the fault of society.

Actually, I believe that they're primarily the fault of stupidity and greed, myself.

--believes that America isn’t really a democracy.

I thought that's what the right wing believed...:shrug:

--believes that corporations are fundamentally evil.

No. Corporate personhood is an astounding idiocy, but no, corporations qua corporations are not inherently evil.

--believes in a corporate conspiracy that controls the world.

Not the world, just some governments.

--is intolerant of good ideas when they come from conservative sources.

Such as?

--dismissively mocks people of faith, especially those who are opposed to abortion and gay marriage.

I would agree that some are intolerant of people of faith. I would also say that those who are opposed to abortion and gay marriage need to be mocked.

--regularly uses harsh, vulgar, intolerant language to attack moderates or conservatives.

Oh fuck that, asswipe.

[depakid]

11. Conason nailed Klien for dishonesty not too long back

http://mediamatters.org/items/200506240007

The fact that Klein still has a job just goes to show the depths to which the corporate media has fallen- these folks no longer care about their credibility.

[depakid]

23. errata -that wasn't Conason

or at least- it was the wrong Klein!

I think it may have been Eric Alterman who took him to task... Anyone remember the classic exchange?

(actually, several bloggers have taken Klein to task. He's an easy target).

[LeftishBrit]

14. I suppose I'm a fairly left-wing extremist

A left-wing extremist exhibits many, but not necessarily all, of the following attributes:

'--believes the United States is a fundamentally negative force in the world.'

No, I don't. But I believe that Bush is.

'--believes that American imperialism is the primary cause of Islamic radicalism.'

No, I don't. But I do believe it's making the problem much worse.



'believes that the decision to go to war in Iraq was not an individual case of monumental stupidity, but a consequence of America’s fundamental imperialistic nature.'


Well, considering Vietnam, Iran-Contra, interference in Latin America, etc. over the years, it's a bit hard to think anything else.


'--tends to blame America for the failures of others—i.e. the failure of our NATO allies to fulfill their responsibilities in Afghanistan.'

Huh? Anyway I don't blame America for everything; dear Tony has to share
the blame. As do lots of other people in power.



'--doesn’t believe that capitalism, carefully regulated and progressively taxed, is the best liberal idea in human history.'

That sounds like thought-police to me.

'--believes American society is fundamentally unfair (as opposed to having unfair aspects that need improvement).'


I think that children dying from lack of access to health care is
fundamentally unfair.

'--believes that eternal problems like crime and poverty are the primarily the fault of society.'

Poverty certainly is - or why is there so much more poverty in some
countries than others? Is Klein blaming poor people for their own
poverty? That is revolting, if so.

'--believes that America isn’t really a democracy.'

Well, I don't think Bush was democratically elected if that's what
you mean.

-'-believes that corporations are fundamentally evil.'

No; but if they are unregulated they are. Absolute power tends to be
evil.

--believes in a corporate conspiracy that controls the world.

No - there I am not an 'extremist'. I don't believe in ANY conspiracy,
whether corporate, communist, or religious that controls the
world. I think there are lots of different groups fighting for
power, and too many people end up caught in the middle, as literal
or metaphorical 'collatoral damage'.




--'is intolerant of good ideas when they come from conservative sources.'

No, but they hardly ever do!

-'-dismissively mocks people of faith, especially those who are opposed to abortion and gay marriage.'

I don't mock people of faith, but I DO oppose anyone who wishes to
restrict other people's rights on the basis of their faith.

'--regularly uses harsh, vulgar, intolerant language to attack moderates or conservatives'

Only on the basis of their actions!

[shadowknows69]

15. Check

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check, fuckin republicans.
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Guess I'm guilty and to throw out one further vulgarity, as I am expected to do, FUCK YOU JOE KLEIN!

[AnOhioan]

16. Joe Klein, asshole without a clue n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

18. Who made him an authority? Perhaps he should look in his own backyard, first.

[KG]

19. yeah, that's me, joe klein, but you see, i'm a proud left wing extremist.

:eyes:

[lonestarnot]

20. crrrrrah tuee sniveling whimp Klien.

[Cha]

21. Hey Asshole!

How do you tell a rightwing extremist? They'll bomb a country without any good reason except to fill their oil coffers and steal Americans' money? They'll send young and old Soldiers to die so they can rule the world? Is that how you can tell a rightwingfucking fascist?

And did you consider that "harsh" or "vulgar" language coming from coulter at the "conservative"(that you're so worried about) convention?

Ya fucking asshole..is that the vulgar language you were concerned about describing a fucking fascist?

[Octafish]

22. ''The Middle is the new place to be.''

Ike couldn't stand Joe Klein's type. He said middle-of-the-roaders always had a yellow stripe down the middle of their back.

[Warren Stupidity]

33. You wouldn't want to actually take a position on anything.

That would be too risky. Plus it requires actual thought.

[Solon]

24. What a fucking idiot...

--believes the United States is a fundamentally negative force in the world.

Why not read this website, then get back to me on how the US exercises its power.

--believes that American imperialism is the primary cause of Islamic radicalism.

Look at the website above, under the "Iran" entry, then get back to me on this, include Afghanistan in that.

--believes that the decision to go to war in Iraq was not an individual case of monumental stupidity, but a consequence of America’s fundamental imperialistic nature.

Straw man, while the United States DOES have an imperialistic nature, Manifest Destiny, Spanish-American War, Mexican-American war, etc. However, we DO consider Iraq as a case of individual stupidity, or malfeasance, look up PNAC.

--tends to blame America for the failures of others—i.e. the failure of our NATO allies to fulfill their responsibilities in Afghanistan.

I don't blame America, I blame Bush, Bush does NOT equal America, if he does then we are doomed.

--doesn’t believe that capitalism, carefully regulated and progressively taxed, is the best liberal idea in human history.

I would think that Human Rights, Labor Rights, Non-Violent civil disobedience and many other liberal ideas were better.

--believes American society is fundamentally unfair (as opposed to having unfair aspects that need improvement).

Our society is based on Capitalism, which is basically a system that says whoever has the gold, makes the rules, so it is fundamentally unfair, this is a fact, Government is supposed to come in to reign in the excesses and abuses of the system.

--believes that eternal problems like crime and poverty are the primarily the fault of society.

Look at the above, it answers this as well.

--believes that America isn’t really a democracy.

In theory, the United States is supposed to be a democratic republic, in practice, I feel it falls far short. There are many faults in the system, and there is nothing wrong with pointing them out, from gerrymandering, to lack of accountability in the executive branch.

--believes that corporations are fundamentally evil.

Corporations are, by definition, fundamentally amoral, they are organizations, not people, and, by law, they must put their own interests ahead of society's.

--believes in a corporate conspiracy that controls the world.

Not a conspiracy, but a business plan, two separate things, corporations DO rule the world, they hold most of the money, the economy is theirs, and its not like it is some big secret.

--is intolerant of good ideas when they come from conservative sources.

This one should be good, name ONE good idea that came from Conservatives.

--dismissively mocks people of faith, especially those who are opposed to abortion and gay marriage.

I call them as I see them, bigots are bigots, regardless of the source of that bigoted belief comes from, we dismiss and mock members of the Christian Identity movement for their racists beliefs, why not these folks as well?

--regularly uses harsh, vulgar, intolerant language to attack moderates or conservatives.

And self described moderates don't do the same, pot, meet kettle.

[NashVegas]

25. Damn. Well, 4 out of 5 Ain't Bad

:evilgrin:

Then again, I'm not sure if item #5 counts for me; I blame Washington for Washington's failures.

[BlooInBloo]

28. How to spot a wanker:

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=%22joe+klein%22+time&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2

[zulchzulu]

29. Klein forget one: Thought preemptive war in Iraq was a stupid idea

Also thinks Patriot Act is not patriotic...

[zulchzulu]

30. DUPE

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

31. How to spot a right wing extremist

--believes the United States is the only fundamentally positive force in the world.

--believes that American imperialism is so wonderful it could never have any negative consequences.

--believes that the decision to go to war in Iraq was to kill a bunch of "ragheads".

--tends to blame others for American failures—i.e. the failure of our NATO allies to fulfill their responsibilities in Afghanistan.

--believes that capitalism, unregulated and untaxed, is the best idea in human history.

--believes American society is perfect (what poverty? what lack of education? what outsourcing?).

--believes that eternal problems like crime and poverty are the primarily the fault of the individual and can never be blamed on society.

--believes that America is a perfect democracy, even though suppression of voter rights continues.

--believes that corporations are always doing the best thing for the worlds and are fundamentally good.

--believes in a homosexual, abortionista, and Hollywood conspiracy that controls the world.

--is intolerant of ideas.

--dismissively mocks people of different ethnic backgrounds, sexuality, and skin colors.

--regularly uses harsh, vulgar, intolerant language to attack anyone not like themselves.

[Random_Australian]

32. Easy. Left wing extremists are the ones who believe in evolution.

And commmon sense.

[GreenPartyVoter]

34. Well, he can just bite me.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

35. Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! And, proud of it.