The republicans have broken everything. How do they expect to win in 08?

[Elwood P Dowd]

So KKKarl is going around the country talking about turning everything red again. How in the hell is he going to do it? Does he plan on swiftboating every single dem candidate? They sure as hell can't run on their record. So what do they hang their hat on in 08. Or maybe I should say, what rabbit will they pull out of the hat in 08?

The military is broken.

The War is broken.

The economy is broken.

The VA system is broken.

The health care system is broken.

Our current account is broken.

The federal budget it broken.

Most of the federal agencies are broken.

Our immigration policy is broken.

Our energy policy is broken.

Our environment is broken.

The education system is broken.

Our reputation in the world community is broken.

Our manufacturing base is broken.

[okoboji]

1. simple

gay marriage

gun control

abortion

[baldguy]

3. By lying, lying some more & lying again.

They can always count on the corporate media.

[Uncle Joe]

24. And more lying followed by some additional lying, after that,

they will take a break to obfuscate to be concluded by more lying. Then they will bring honor and integrity to the White House.

[Elwood P Dowd]

4. I don't think that's going to cut it anymore.

That's like the quarterback that keeps calling the same trap play. Eventually the defensive linemen and linebackers stop falling for it, and the running back gets clobbered.

[AndyTiedye]

26. It Doesn't Have to Cut It. It's Just The Cover Story For Stolen Elections

Every time they steal another election and get the MSM to say they won on issues like abortion, gun control and gay marriage
the Democratic party tears itself apart some more to try to appease these phantom voters.

[MisterHowdy]

20. Exactly

For some reason, people seem to put these issues above all.
A candidate can wipe his/her ass with the constitution, start major wars and eat babies.....but as long as their against gay marriage or abortion at least 50% of Americans seem to vote for them.

Too many uninformed voters!!!

[no_hypocrisy]

2. Lie. Money. Media. Lie. Money. Media. Lie. Money. Media. etc. n/t

[SharonAnn]

7. Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

[Cerridwen]

5. Blame the Democrats.

We're "in control" now so if we don't fix it, we broke it, it's theirs.

I didn't say it was logical. It's the strategy. And sometimes it works.

[booley]

6. blame everybody else

Remember 9-11? How the economy tanked during Shrub? So many of the other Republican failures?

It was Clinton.

And they don't just stop at Bill Clinton. Hollywood Liberals, Gays, Liberals in general, the troops, the Generals, the CIA, the rest of the world, immigrants, Liberals again,..hell they blamed Saddam for thier own intelligence being cooked up.

And now two months after Dems have taken control for the first time in over a decade, Republicans are demanding to know why the Democratic party hasn't already fixed the huge mess the Republicans left behind.

For Republicans, shamelessness is it's own reward.

[indepat]

8. They lie and besides, none of the tens of millions of true-believer give a diddle-dy-fu*k how much

is broken imo for they have a different idea about government and governance.

[CrazyOrangeCat]

9. Fear.

More fear.

[OneGrassRoot]

10. Let me tell you a heartwarming story

I was born in Enterprise, Alabama, and have family there, including my 83-year-old grandmother, who I adore. Thankfully, they're all safe.

I spoke with my grandmother this morning and asked if she's excited about B*sh being there.

Now, keep in mind that, other than my mother who chooses to bury her head in the sand regarding politics, my family is part of the 29%. And I can't blame it on a red state mentality thing, as half of these family members are from Pittsburgh. I even have a cousin who is chairman of the Young Republicans of PA. :puke:

While I'd never discussed politics with my grandmother previously, I assumed she was part of the 29%. After all, she only gets her information from CBS or ABC, doesn't read anything other than local news, and I thought his good ole boy approach would have worked on her.

In response to my question she replied, "I can't stand him."

I thought I misunderstand so asked her to repeat it.

She said, "I can't stand him. Never could. He's made a mess out of everything he touches and it's getting worse."

:bounce:

Way to go, Granny! That made me want to dance a jig. So, there are people out there who may surprise us, even if they only have access to propaganda. Intuition may play a bigger role than we realize. Let's hope.

[Elwood P Dowd]

16. I still live in Alabama

My 88-year-old mother hates his guts, as do many of her friends. Some who voted for him the first time around have done a dramatic 180. The ones who voted for him the second time conveniently change the subject when the name George W.Bush is brought up during conversation. One of her friends called Bush, "Nixon without a brain".

[OneGrassRoot]

17. That makes me smile. Thanks! n/t

[EstimatedProphet]

11. It might work, because the Repubs have broken most people's critical thinking skills

There's a lot of inbred stupid shitheels in this country that will vote for anyone who calls someone a "f*g" and threatens to kill furriners.

[sakabatou]

12. FEAR

[BlooInBloo]

13. The same way they always have: a stupid bigoted electorate....

... The only reason people keep asking this question, as far as I can tell, is that they don't like the answer. And by ignoring the answer they enable its ongoing truth.

[Peace Patriot]

14. How do they expect to win? By Democratic leaders treating all this as normal

politics.

It is a fascist coup. And they are responding as if it were just another election cycle. Oh, they'll use Bush/Cheney crimes to score points. But do anything about these horrendous criminals running our country? Not likely.

True, they are handicapped by Diebold/ES&S not counting some votes (I'd say a 5% to 10% "thumb on the scales" for Bushites, warmongers and corporatists), so that any good people who make it into Congress don't have the strength in numbers to truly represent the American people and see to our interests. But whose fault is that? They all went along with rightwing Bushite electronic voting corporations "counting" all our votes with 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code. Not a peep out of them. All those e-voting billions running through their fingers. And they're not even going to repair this now. We'll be lucky if we get a paper trail out of them and a stinking 2% audit. The people will have to prove who didn't win, rather than election officials having to prove who did.*

The other factor is the war profiteering corporate news monopolies. They treat dead poor peoples' bodies floating in the waters of New Orleans, torturing prisoners, slaughtering 100,000 innocent people in Iraq in the initial bombing alone, a $10 trillion deficit amidst multiple tax cuts for the rich, alienating every country on earth, and ripping the Constitution to shreds, as mere policy gaffes or even as positive developments. All normal politics. Stolen elections? What do they care? They eat. They have fun. They're "powerful." Their five rightwing billionaire CEO media moguls are pleased with them. Who cares about war? Who cares about the Constitution? Let's go to a pink funeral!

They treat Bush/Cheney as if they were legitimately elected, and they treat the nuking of Iran as if it were actually thinkable--and just another "policy difference." And that is why the Republicans think they can win in '08. All is lost in the corporate news media river of forgetfulness. And whose fault is that? Who signed the Telecommunications Act? (Hint: not Bush.)

The Republican Party ought to be dismantled and banished from this land, for what they've done. Most of their leaders should in jail. And our alternative are people who are too often corrupt and collusive. That's why the Republicans dare to show their faces, and dare to talk of winning. It's all rigged in their favor--from the "trade secret" vote counting, to the billion dollar "think tanks" monopolizing C-Span for an entire day (yesterday) and shoveling out their manure of "talking points" to the fascist media.

They've made unjust war seem NORMAL.
They've made torture seem NORMAL.
They've made murder seem NORMAL.
They've made grand theft on an unimaginablescale seem NORMAL.
They've made utter lawlessness in the White House seem NORMAL.
They've made stupidity seem NORMAL.
They've made intolerance seem NORMAL.

And Bush, Cheney and their "pod people" in Congress are TREATED AS IF they are NORMAL by OUR politicians and by the vile corporate news monopolies.

They haven't convinced the American people of ANYTHING. Look at the opinion, job approval and issue polls over the last several years. The American people are in complete disagreement with this fascist agenda, and have been all along. But we don't really count any more. Our votes are highly stealable. They aren't out to convince us. They are out to create a plausible national narrative in which OUR opinions don't figure, so that we begin to think that we, the great progressive American majority, are in the minority, and so that WE begin to think that unjust war is normal, and torture is normal, and stupidity is normal, and is approved of by some illusory "majority" that doesn't exist--except in Diebold/ES&S's "black box" voting machines.

Our Democratic leaders should have burned down the capitol to prevent the "Help America Vote for Bush Act" of 2002 from being passed. Instead they all voted for it (or most of them did**). And their silence about it has been mind-boggling. They treat Bushite corporations "counting" all our votes under a veil of corporate secrecy as NORMAL.

Why wouldn't the Republicans think that they could win, in these circumstances?

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*(In Venezuela, they do a FIFTY-FIVE PERCENT audit--hand count of ballots against voting machine totals. That's why they have a good president and we have a fascist pig, and a Congress that can't stop a war that 75% of the American peopel oppose.)

**(Interesting exceptions--Hillary Clinton and Charles Schumer voted against it. And about 60 House Democrats. With Clinton and Schumer, it was not likely their belief in democracy, but rather a sop to New Yorkers, who like their old, reliable, unriggable, mechanical lever voting machines. EVERYBODY ELSE in the Anthrax Senate voted FOR it. Unfriggingbelievable. And the leader of that coup on the Democratic side was Sen. Christopher Dodd, who thinks he can sidle into the White House as Hillary's VP, as a return favor from Diebold/ES&S. He is a complete, slippery-tongued demagogue. Watch out for that guy! With Hillary, at least you can see the warts.)

[The Straight Story]

15. By converting to independents and making lieberman their new president :) (nt)

[Beelzebud]

18. Fear, hatred, and a dumbed down populace.

[Dastard Stepchild]

19. Well... we still have single Black mothers and undocumented immigrants to blame....

for all the ills of society, so the Republicans should be ok for another couple of decades.

[Nay]

21. By stealing the election, as usual. Plus by making sure the mouth-

breathers lumber to the voting booth on voting day.

[eagler]

22. We may very well be on the way to beating ourselves.

[Peace Patriot]

23. To Indepat, EstimatedProphet and BlooInBloo: If the problem in this country

was that tens of millions of true believers worship Bush, or that most Americans are inbred yahoos, or that most Americans are stupid, that is one thing. And it calls for education and a powerful effort of persuasion. And this is a very important strategy question for those who see and understand what is going on. What IS the problem? However, I don't think it's true. For instance, 56% of the American people opposed Bush's heinous war on Iraq way back at the beginning, in Feb. '03, before all the lies were exposed. So a majority of people were thinking for themselves even then. And some portion of that 56% had to have come from the approximately 50% of the people who had the lies about WMDs and Iraq/9-11 rattling around in their brains. Some of that group--in the face of the most intense 24/7 warmongering I have ever seen--made up their own minds that it wasn't worth a war. Now the opposition is up to 75%, with a whopping 84% opposed to any U.S. participation in a widened Mideast war.

These and many other stats--from many poll sources, on many issues, over a long period of time--have convinced me that the problem is NOT Bush worshipers or stupidity, the problem is disempowerment, and, above all, disenfranchisment. We, the progressives, have in fact been the majority all along. And we have allowed this propaganda of the war profiteering corporate news monopolies to penetrate our brains and souls, and convince us that we are in the minority. We can see through their lies. But we often can't see through their more subtle and effective brainwashing on who the American people ARE, and what we truly want and believe.

Just think about this news media situation for a while, who owns and controls it all (5 righting billionaire CEOs), and how they portray the American people, and what they promulgate as political discourse. If you were exposed to this crap enough, in print, on TV, on radio, you would begin to think that, a) the country has gone nuts, and b) you are all alone in thinking rationally, and in believing in democracy. It is a quite deliberate program of brainwashing, in my opinion. And we need to sever ourselves from it, and realize that we DO have power, if we only assert it, and that we ARE a progressive people, if only we would realize it, and we CAN change things, very dramatically, if only we will rise out of this funk of expecting that our views are ever going to be reflected by these corporate news monsters, or that politicians who are beholden to Diebold/ES&S and big money are ever going to represent our interests, without our demanding that they do so, and restoring transparent vote counting, so that we can elect people who are our public servants.

[OneGrassRoot]

25. I'm with you. Bravo - well said! n/t

[Edweird]

27. I think the attorney general scandal is related to their '08 plans.

I believe that they may be planning a last ditch effort to indict all the viable Dem. candidates. Smear all the way. They know they are in the crapper, so they will attempt to make our guys look worse than their guys. And I think they intend to use the AG office to assist them.

[lpbk2713]

28. They will use the same old tactics that have always worked for them before.

They will lie, deceive, exaggerate, and smear. They will accuse their opponents of what they themselves are guilty of. They will point fingers at everyone but themselves. They will make promises they have no intention of delivering on. And when they are caught in a lie or a dirty deed they will simply ignore it or lie their way out of it. And that is the whole Boosh presidency in a nutshell.